who among suspected PED user got away the most: Pacquaio, Mayweather or Marquez?

Dude. Do you accept the challenge or not? I'm ready to let BoxingScene decide. We are going to get nowhere trying to convince each other. I would like to know what other posters think. Do you agree? You can do your poll. I will participate but not sure I would do one because that was not even my point. but if I do one, which would you pick, A or B? A) Floyd is describing how he hurt his right shoulder and what he injured B) Floyd is describing how he hurt his left shoulder and what he injured http://i.imgur.com/bAVH7Ag.gif

I think you are right about that. I'm going to admit that I'm wrong there. This has gone on long enough, so I have a very simple way for us to end this. Let me know what you think. Let's set up new threads here at boxing scene. You set up one about Floyd's shoulder injury, and I'll set up one about Manny's shoulder injury. We'll add a public poll to both. In these threads, we will reveal all of the evidence that we've gathered on these two situations. We'll let boxingscene decide which one of these injuries seems legit, and which does not. I think that is the only way that this is going to end. Do you agree? Even after I showed you that you were wrong about that picture you are still with Manny's shoulder injury is fake? - Due to the surgery done, Manny couldn't come back that year to fight Floyd. Manny came back one year after surgery. Travestyny: Its a fake injury. - Floyd was ready to announce soon after surgery his next fight with Castillo in August 10. Travestyny: Its possible. :dunno:

and for the piece de la resistance, check out where Manny was when he was waving his flag. LA, California. When? Before the Floyd fight! Not a month after surgery! http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16714243#post16714243 Yeah he got iced in that one. TravestNY down with the count. What's new though. That guy doesn't know he's been beat over and over lmao

ADP02, trashes TravestNY once again lmao # poll is still a landslide victory for Froid lmao and for the piece de la resistance, check out where Manny was when he was waving his flag. LA, California. When? Before the Floyd fight! Not a month after surgery! http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16714243#post16714243

1. So Floyd knew before hearing the scores that he was doing enough to convince the judges that he is beating the champ Castillo and the fight was over for you?? Not much happened early on by either fighter. Ledderman and so did others have the scores differently and Castillo was coming on more and more. Plus Floyd realized that Castillo can easily take Floyd's punches so it was going to be a long night .... and it was!!! You used the your so called evidence against Manny BUT nothing really points to Manny not having surgery. Here Floyd says its one of the worst pain ever experienced yet he does not even remember which arm he had it for? I guess it wasn't much of anything if you cannot remember which arm!!! 2. So now you need 2 videos? How about 3? .... here you have Floyd and his team consistently indicating its the right shoulder that gave him problems over a decade ago. I thought it was supposed to be one of the most painful things ever but I guess he lied, exaggerated. "The right shoulder .... I've had this injury almost 10 years, even more" What about the left Floyd? Floyd vs Castillo I - Floyd indicates the right shoulder! lol! http://i.imgur.com/bAVH7Ag.gif 1:00 mark Floyd vs Castillo I - Roger indicates the right shoulder! lol! 3. Manny took time off, sparred left handed only then eventually tried with his right. Manny didn't put all those drugs on the pre-fight form just for show. He used it and that is how he got thru the latter part of his training camp! What you write about Manny is exactly my point. You talk differently when its about Manny. You said Manny thru still with his right. BUT did you see Floyd? Mayweather vs Castillo I: Mayweather threw 297 jabs. Mayweather vs Castillo II: Mayweather threw only 235 jabs. Mayweather vs Judah: only threw 109 jabs. Mayweather vs Hatton: Only threw 72 jabs. Mayweather vs stationary Baldomir: 200 jabs So Floyd throws more jabs when he is hurt? 297 jabs and complains he couldn't move his arm? 4. Video states he had surgery on his right shoulder :-) No way would he have been able to announce and get the go-ahead to train at that point in time. Instead he would just be starting his weight training program to strengthen the shoulder. 5. I have nothing? Here is more nothing then lol!!! "What nobody knows at the time is two days before the fight Mayweather injured his left shoulder while working on the heavy bag. His physician diagnoses a strained rotator cuff and Mayweather keeps quiet about it but speaks disparagingly about Castillo, predicting an easy win. " A) So even after the injury Floyd thought it was still going to be an easy victory but when he got in the ring and saw that Castillo took Floyd's punches very well and was not going to be a push over as he thought it would be then he got concerned. B) So the physician diagnosed a strained rotator cuff while Floyd and his team call it a torn rotator cuff. So like I said before, you say, for Manny its all a lie, an exaggeration and so on. With Floyd you talk differently even though the statements are all there that he lied, exaggerated and so on. So yes, you are talking differently. . ADP02, trashes TravestNY once again lmao # poll is still a landslide victory for Froid lmao

1. How many of the first 4 rounds did Lederman give to Mayweather? 2. At what point did Mayweather complain of the injury? 3. Are you really trying to argue that Floyd realizing that someone can take his punches led to him faking an injury at that time in the fight? You're a Pacquiao fan and a straight up Mayweather hater. 1. Castillo was traditionally a slow starter and Floyd's punches were not doing much of anything plus the rounds were close non-eventful rounds. Floyd realized that this guy was no push over. 2. Manny went to see a renowned doctor, let USADA know about the meds prescribed by the doctor, NSAC knew BEFORE the fight. Unlike with Floyd, a real doctor stated that Manny went to see him beforehand, prescribed him meds and performed surgery on Manny. Yet that was not enough for you. For Floyd, all you needed was that he said his shoulder was bothering him and that is good enough for you. Starting to get my point? 3. Pretty much what you said about Manny? Your versions are way worse. Are you a hater? Fair and square? PLEASE! Floyd used an illegal method which was not warranted. Manny couldn't use a legal substance. Thanks to Floyd fans letting me know :-), Manny was seriously injured and basically fighting with one arm. - round 3. How did they give that to Floyd? Manny had to dominate a round to get the round. Floyd coasted and the Vegas judges gave it to Floyd. Not at all, and tthe evidence proves that clearly. Only you can have photographic, video, testimonial evidence of this fraud and try to justify it. Your desperation is astounding. "He was talking about his scar being healed by the sea water." "When he said swimming in the ocean, he meant water exercises to heal his shoulder." You had said that only Manny fans can be dumb enough to believe that he was injured. Something like that. I told you that I cannot know what Manny meant and gave you possibilities. You are sticking with one as if I said that I knew exactly what Manny meant even though I said it again and again, I do not. My point was that you are not an expert and said many times, I am not either. Neither of us examined Manny nor do you have solid proof from an expert saying Manny was not injured or whatever. You based it on being a bad internet detective and doctor when you viewed a picture, a video and Manny saying he swam which I told you, CAN MEAN ANYTHING!!! Not hard to understand. Did he say it was his right shoulder? He showed how he threw a punch. Keep reaching. Your desperation is sad. None of those videos mentions left arm. Floyd and his team keeps on indicating that its the right arm. How bad could it have been then? This is better than your picture, video throwing with his opposite arm and so on. Floyd describes it in detail except he indicates that it was his right arm. So you are telling me that he remembered everything in detail except the most important part. Which arm he injured!!! This one really got me. You're officially as bad as Spoon. I can really tell now this Pacquaio loss hurt you deeply. I feel sorry for you. Yet you kept on blasting about Manny even though you have no idea ... all speculation. I kept on telling you, when you post your thoughts, first think its Floyd. Then your mind would be a lot more creative. You still believe that it was possible to have surgery and soon after announce Floyd's fight in August? Yet you cannot see where you may have it all wrong with Manny? That really got to me! :-) Are you ready to admit that you were wrong about him sparring against sparring partners with only the left? You never addressed the information I found out about that. I wonder why. If all he had to do was take drugs, why was he sparring WITH ROACH with one hand? He was fine at media day and before media day. I posted the videos to prove it. Nice deflection as that was not the point. The point was that Manny said he got hurt and it was the same time that we heard Manny took time off from his workouts. One of the speculations was that he got hurt but now we know what he hurt. Then he comes back and uses only his left hand? Renowned doctor backs up the story. Again, think Floyd. If Floyd told NSAC that he was injured just before the fight, you would have said, Floyd said it EVEN BEFORE THE FREAKING FIGHT!!! What do you not get? You are still waiting for no-name Floyd's doctor to come out for Floyd's injury, Floyd's extreme dehydration. See the difference? Why is it different? One claimed to have a full thickness rotator cuff injury, and half of another tendon torn, and the other never said what kind of tear it was. One complained about the injury during the fight, another didn't. One didn't go to rehab, didn't follow common rehab protocol..etc. etc. Nice job responding to the mound of things I typed out to you. You know you're full of sh*t. Why is it different? Physician did not say it was torn but Floyd and Roger said it was. Suspicious? August 10 date had to be announced soon after surgery. How can Floyd be sure when he should still be doing rehab at that point? Suspciious? Floyd/Rogers videos keep on saying its the right shoulder but Floyd said the torn rotator cuff to the left was one of the most painful things he has had. Then how do you forget??? Suspicious? While with Manny, you use only comments that fit your speculation. Why is what a renowned doctor says not important to you? Other doctors confirm. Still not good enough for you. Floyd's words? Good enough for you except when it makes him look bad. Example, why did he use a prohibited method? Floyd said why but you know that hurts Floyd's case so you need to hear from that no name doctor. Not different? :lol1: IF there was a surgery I provided the evidence that he would be back in time for the fight. Have you provided evidence that Pac could be swimming one month post surgery for a full thickness rotator cuff tear. NOPE! When protecting Floyd's poor performance, Floyd fans said there was and that link that I provided to you says that Floyd did but the funny part is that you have the answer even if Floyd had surgery instead of saying, "yup, that makes no sense since Floyd was still doing rehab" Swimming: Pac said that but again, you are the one that needs to provide me what Manny did that was impossible. I asked you that but you made it into a joke because you have nothing!!! When you are in therapy, you can use the same equipment, environment to do your rehab but what you do at month 1 is different than what you do at month 3 and so on. Different here as well: Manny says swimming and you think Manny was preparing for the Olympics. Floyd indicates right shoulder, you say "but did Floyd say right shoulder?" Well did Manny say what kind of swimming he was doing? His doctor said it was a strained shoulder. What's your point? Is it that he lied and said it was torn? Was there a partial tear? Was it torn enough to require surgery? Was there a surgery? All of this is irrelevant to me because you can clearly see in the video that he claims to have a hurt shoulder DURING the fight. And I'm very happy that Merchant mentioned it because if he didn't, you'd really be calling bullsh*t whether it were true or not. With Merchant confirming what was going on, all you can do is say he made it up to get out of a fight that he was winning. Difference: "You are happy Merchant said it". Well, what you just wrote is what you posted many times about Manny. - Manny's S & C confirms that Manny told them after round 4 but what did you say? - NSAC confirmed that Manny told them BEFORE the fight about the injury. What did you say? - Meds were on the pre-fight form, what did you say? - USADA confirms Manny requested if meds were legal for the fight BEFORE the fight. What did you say? - Manny's doctor confirms there was an injury and surgery and the degree of the injury, what did you say? Some sparring partners confirms about the injury, what did you say? All had to know? Did Foreman, Jim Lampley, Ledderman have to know about the injury to convince you? Did Merchant really know 100% or just heard it? You said that Manny most probably had an injury but exaggerated. That is the big hoopla of yours in all of this. For Floyd, you said if Floyd and Roger said it was torn while physician said it was not, "All of this is irrelevant to me" Why so different? I can't say he exaggerated anything because I've never heard him say anything other than it was a torn rotator cuff. We really only have Floyd's own words. Ask Castillo how clear it was. lol! Floyd and his team says torn, the physician says strained. So yes one can say Floyd exaggerated. Especially since he was ready to discuss August 10 date when he was supposedly doing rehab! Manny said full thickness rotator cuff .... oh wait, Manny never said that! Still Manny exaggerated you say. Only Manny's doctor said it and you have a problem with his doctor. Who do you think knew best, you or him? Nice deflections. You need to start realizing that you talk very differently when it comes to Manny vs Floyd. I gave you plenty of examples in this post that you cannot say you did not say and there are a lot more. That is why I called you "new" travestyny, remember? :-) Finally, why would Manny have to make the injury so severe that he would have no chance to come back to fight Floyd when Floyd I would have fought Manny, due to the big money, instead of Berto as #49? Zero logic!

So not only do you have your head so far up Pac's a$$ you can't see straight, but you are also drinking from Arum's kool-aid. Hmm. You should do some research on Bobby Boy. See what you find out. I gave you Floyd's own statements (QUOTES) yet you deflect with Bob Arum. :theyareon

Ok, let me slow this down for you before you hurt yourself. Read very carefully. 1. In Floyd's situation, he was in a match where he swept the first 4 rounds on all three judges scorecards and then complained of his shoulder injury. It was massaged. He turned southpaw. Are you seriously trying to prove that he had no injury. That's a joke and you know it. 2. You are holding on to this claim (that you said was 2 occasions, but magically one occasion has disappeared) that when he was talking about how he injured the arm, he was referring to the same arm that was injured. Ok. I have no problem with you thinking you caught him in some kind of lie. Now, refer to point #1 and realize that you are being idiotic. 3. That Floyd may not have had surgery doesn't help you. We know that Pac was diagnosed with his doctor as having a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Now, refer to my past posts about him NOT doing what Floyd did in the ring to demonstrate his shoulder injury, how his sparring partner said he didn't notice any injury, how I listed (was it at least 12?) sites that said swimming should not be done even 3 months after surgery, how there is video of him swimming, how there is video of him playing basketball, how there is a picture of him with his arm over his head ONE MONTH after surgery, how there is video of him using the right at the time where you claimed he had to spar only left handed, how there is video of him going heavy on the heavybag at the time where you said he had to spar only left handed. Damn, this is getting long. You must feel stupid by now, no? Oh yea, there's more. How HE said that he didn't go to rehab but you said he must have meant his scar was healed (LMAO). How Freddie said he was joking about being healed by GOD, but it doesn't makes sense for Freddie to say the pious Manny jokes about God, how Freddie said he called the rehab specialist in the Phils but admits that he rarely even calls Pacquaio. lol. This is getting really long now. Oh yea, that Manny lied about when the injury first occurred. That Manny said he didn't have an injury before the fight. You know what, my hand is beginning to hurt. I'm going to try to cut this off right here. 4. Never any quotation from Floyd that he had surgery. However, if he did, I posted the protocol for surgery that shows he would have been ready to go, whether you believe his team should have taken that diagnosis for granted or not. You have nothing, as usual. The mounds of anecdotal, visual, video evidence that I have far trumps the bullsh*t you try to return fire with. One of us provided solid facts, and one of us talked about his son in a kiddie pool. 1. So Floyd knew before hearing the scores that he was doing enough to convince the judges that he is beating the champ Castillo and the fight was over for you?? Not much happened early on by either fighter. Ledderman and so did others have the scores differently and Castillo was coming on more and more. Plus Floyd realized that Castillo can easily take Floyd's punches so it was going to be a long night .... and it was!!! You used the your so called evidence against Manny BUT nothing really points to Manny not having surgery. Here Floyd says its one of the worst pain ever experienced yet he does not even remember which arm he had it for? I guess it wasn't much of anything if you cannot remember which arm!!! 2. So now you need 2 videos? How about 3? .... here you have Floyd and his team consistently indicating its the right shoulder that gave him problems over a decade ago. I thought it was supposed to be one of the most painful things ever but I guess he lied, exaggerated. "The right shoulder .... I've had this injury almost 10 years, even more" What about the left Floyd? Floyd vs Castillo I - Floyd indicates the right shoulder! lol! http://i.imgur.com/bAVH7Ag.gif 1:00 mark Floyd vs Castillo I - Roger indicates the right shoulder! lol! 3. Manny took time off, sparred left handed only then eventually tried with his right. Manny didn't put all those drugs on the pre-fight form just for show. He used it and that is how he got thru the latter part of his training camp! What you write about Manny is exactly my point. You talk differently when its about Manny. You said Manny thru still with his right. BUT did you see Floyd? Mayweather vs Castillo I: Mayweather threw 297 jabs. Mayweather vs Castillo II: Mayweather threw only 235 jabs. Mayweather vs Judah: only threw 109 jabs. Mayweather vs Hatton: Only threw 72 jabs. Mayweather vs stationary Baldomir: 200 jabs So Floyd throws more jabs when he is hurt? 297 jabs and complains he couldn't move his arm? 4. Video states he had surgery on his right shoulder :-) No way would he have been able to announce and get the go-ahead to train at that point in time. Instead he would just be starting his weight training program to strengthen the shoulder. 5. I have nothing? Here is more nothing then lol!!! "What nobody knows at the time is two days before the fight Mayweather injured his left shoulder while working on the heavy bag. His physician diagnoses a strained rotator cuff and Mayweather keeps quiet about it but speaks disparagingly about Castillo, predicting an easy win. " A) So even after the injury Floyd thought it was still going to be an easy victory but when he got in the ring and saw that Castillo took Floyd's punches very well and was not going to be a push over as he thought it would be then he got concerned. B) So the physician diagnosed a strained rotator cuff while Floyd and his team call it a torn rotator cuff. So like I said before, you say, for Manny its all a lie, an exaggeration and so on. With Floyd you talk differently even though the statements are all there that he lied, exaggerated and so on. So yes, you are talking differently. .

Well well well.....look at how desperate the pact@rds have become. They are now suggesting floyd wasn't hurt during Castillo...... as if it somehow justifies the mountain of lies and excuses coming out of team pedquiao. Typical And pathetic.

My statement agrees with you? How so? It's about a partial tear. I'm not sure how they knew he would be ready. Maybe there was no surgery. Like I've said, I never saw his team or him mention surgery at that time. I tried to find evidence of it, and I only found the surgery he had on his shoulder at the beginning of this year. If there was no surgery and his team leaked to the media that there was one, then I would assume his team was lying to exaggerate the injury. Anything is possible when Mr. Bob Arum is involved. What I do know is that there clearly was an injury. I'm not sure why you are trying to argue that there wasn't one. Also, don't know how that helps your argument about Manny, unless you are trying to argue that Manny lied and Floyd lied too. I stated that I always had doubts about surgery on Mayweather at that time. The turn around was too quick. But all of the evidence about Pac...you can't even admit that it's a little suspicious. WOW, I seen you do this twice now in 2 separate threads. Blaming Arum for Floyd's excuses, lies and ducks!

That's correct. Because a rehabilitation specialist who talks to the doctor should not get this information incorrect. She was called there to give her expert opinion. How could she get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd? So someone on TV got it wrong so you blame the doctor? Yet Floyd himself uses his right arm to indicate how he hurt his shoulder and points to where it hurt on his RIGHT SHOULDER, is not alarming you? Same question: How could Floyd get that wrong? Doesn't that seem odd? Worst pain ever and he forgets which shoulder but remembers everything else about the injury? WOW! He is indicating how he threw the punch. Do you have a video of him saying he messed up his right shoulder? It's not my fault that you are reading too much into this. Reading too much into this you say? You are the one who used as evidence a person on TV who got it wrong to blame Manny's doctor. Manny had surgery yet you are the one with wild speculations that convinced you that Manny was not even injured. Manny says the word SWIMMING and you say "got you". You see a guy holding a flag and you say "Manny was waving the flag". First, I didn't say anyone corrected Floyd. There was nothing to be corrected. Did you expect the narrator to say, "Correction, he is showing how he punched with his right arm, but it was the left that was hurt." Don't be retarded. Second, it's was not about the conflicting statement. That was just more fishy bs added to the MOUNDS AND MOUNDS of sh*t that doesn't make sense about Pacquaio's injury. You are just too stubborn to admit what's right in front of your face. Lets be real. With Manny, you diced and sliced a picture, a video, a comment, a comment by 3rd party reporter .... but now with Floyd, who indicated his right shoulder, you do not want to use what you see as evidence? How come? http://i.imgur.com/bAVH7Ag.gif I'm talking different? I've said that I was never sure there was a surgery. I've never seen Floyd mention that he had a surgery at that time, nor anyone from his team. It's clear to me, as it should be to anyone, that there was an injury. If it was a torn rotator cuff, it's clear that it was no more than a partial tear. If there was a surgery, I just posted to you the recovery time for a partial tear. I don't see what the issue is about Floyd anymore. Floyd and his team said it was really bad. Worst pain that he ever experienced. Floyd, Roger and his fans said it was torn rotator cuff. What you showed is proof that no way could they have even contemplated a return because Floyd would be doing rehab at 6 weeks, not announcing a fight!!! So why are you not calling it for what it is? Manny fought 1 year later while Floyd was open to fight August 10 (in Vegas) and these discussions had to have taken place in May and start training in June!!! and you ask, I'm talking different? WOW!!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Luis_Castillo "After Mayweather's successful shoulder surgery, Castillo re-matched with Mayweather"

Seriously get your brain checked it has too much kool-aid. At this point. it's getting worse. You have shyit for brains man. Clean it up. :lol1::lol1::lol1: Analyze this food for thought, travestNY. Why is it that the poll is showing Froid is winning by a landslide? What's your theory? Here's mine, Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao I'm losing what exactly? Okay you seem to be back with your comprehension disorder were you end up having selective reasoning. So I'll make it exact for you so you won't end up walking on egg shells again. Here is the question. Why is it that Floyd is winning the polls by a Landslide in this thread. What is your theory on this. Pls explain thoroughly. I know you love explaining. I can't wait to here your explanation. Why is Floyd winning In this poll? # I'm hoping you are man enough not to duck this question again. I gave you the benefit of the doubt the last time you ducked it. This time I think if you do duck it.. Well let's just say.. You don't want to sound like a Ducky. ;)

Partial tear could be ready to compete in 3 months. You're welcome. “We operate on partial tears, too. Go in, clean things up. … At that elite level, it’s six weeks till you’re doing major weight training, and at three months, you could be back playing basketball. It’s a much shorter rehab, and that’s a big deal.” http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/01/nba-kobe-bryant-surgery-options-shoulder-rotator-cuff-injury-tear-los-angeles-lakers YOU ARE WELCOME! That statement agrees with what I have been telling you. Basketball and boxing is different. Kobe does not have to announce his comeback months in advance nor does he have to worry that he can just delay it if he makes a bold prediction. Floyd had to be not just starting his rehab but ready to say that he can be back on August 10 many months in advance. So the timeline is still conflicting. What you pointed out is that the athlete is still in rehab and just starting to do major weight rehab but by then Floyd had to say that he was ready since they had to announce the fight and he was supposed to be ready for training camp not just weigh training!!! How can Floyd feel confident that his doctor's clear him to start his training camp that soon?

He indicates how the punch was thrown and what happened. Less than a minute after that, the narrator says it was the left shoulder. Right or wrong? You should post up some information about partial tear surgery. Maybe then we can get an accurate picture of what happened. I've never been sure he had a surgery at all, and I have no problem admitting that. What I am sure of is that he had a shoulder injury. It was at most a partial tear. That is obvious. So what you're saying is that he wasn't hurt at all? And you think he pretended to be hurt when he was winning the fight because he felt the pressure from Castillo. Then he fights him again right after. Please tell me how this makes sense. Who sweeps the first 4 rounds of a fight and then feigns an injury? This is a professional boxer we are talking about, and the greatest of our generation. You missed one important point. Floyd indicated all that with his right arm and shoulder NOT his left. The 2nd part is what I initially pointed out that Merchant said it was his left. Remember that you questioned the validity of Manny's doctor's statements due to a reporter from ESPN saying it was a partial tear vs a full tear. So now the tables are turned and you are talking differently. What's worse is that its Floyd that is clearly indicating his right arm. So again, with Manny, a conflicting statement questions the validity of the renowned doctor's statements. Floyd indicated it was his right and then the commentary by HBO says left you respond by trying to convince this: "See the commentator corrected Floyd. Were all good." Secondly, lets say it was an injury. Why the conflicting statements: "strained" rotator cuff vs "torn" rotator cuff. So if there was an injury, was there an exaggeration of how badly Floyd was really hurt just so he can use it as an excuse? Castillo thought it was just an excuse by Floyd. You are talking differently now that its Floyd. If the above statements or whatever else I have posted yesterday was about Manny instead, you would be talking quite differently. How can someone have surgery and soon after discuss a potential match? Are you not suspicious at least somewhat suspicious? Was Floyd and his team exaggerating?

Come on, man. Floyd won the first 4 rounds on all scorecards! Why would he complain about the injury at that point when he WAS WINNING. No, I'm not saying that he forgets. I'm saying I don't see where you are saying he indicated that it was his right. You said in two places he did that. He showed how he threw the punch, albeit using the other hand, but he never said which shoulder it was. Then not even a minute later the narrator mentions it was the left arm. 1. He complained about it during the fight when he was winning. FACT. 2. I seem to remember him switching to southpaw. 3. The shoulder was massaged during the fight. It's all right there for you to see. And these are all things that PACQUIAO DIDN'T DO WITH A FULL TEAR OF 1 TENDON AND HALF TEAR OF ANOTHER. Are you going to pretend that Larry Merchant didn't mention it during the telecast at the point that Floyd first mentioned it. YES, it was obvious. Even old ass Larry knew about it. It was obviously not a full thickness tear. If he had surgery on a full thickness tear, he wouldn't have been able to fight so quickly. The evidence for that has been posted to this thread numerous times. You trying to prove that Mayweather didn't have a shoulder injury is not only silly, but it doesn't help cover up the fishy antics of Pac regarding his shoulder injury at all. Floyd indicates right here that he used the right shoulder and where there was the pain. THE RIGHT SHOULDER!!! http://i.imgur.com/bAVH7Ag.gif Nobody is saying that Floyd had a full thickness tear. Floyd said it was torn, hurt worse than anything he ever experienced BUT then was ready to come back to fight August 10???? Castillo I: April 20 Surgery: ~April 25 In a sling: April 25-May?? Rehab passively: May?? rehab active: Late May-June? Discuss August 10 date: May ?? Get the go ahead to do full workout training from his no-name doctor: May ?? Start of training camp: June 10-16? does it make sense even if it was a partial tear? You complained Manny was lifting his arm a month out, what about Floyd? Yes, even if its partial torn rotator cuff surgery. Manny came back 1 year after surgery and you complained. Floyd had the real miracle! .

I thought I explained it to you. Pac said he had a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Actually, 1.5 tendons torn. He also said he stopped using the right. Floyd did NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. He also complained in the ring about the injury. Manny and Roach claim Manny went into the ring fine, then tore it during the 3rd of 4th round, and never complained about it or showed a sign of it. Floyd definitely showed signs of it. There is a clear difference. You didn't comment on more of your "evidence" seeming to be debunked. Doesn't appear Manny was sparring guys with only one hand after all. And he appeared just fine on media day. Hmmm. So, take your own medicine and imagine all of the facts I provided about Manny was about Floyd. This has been so crystal clear that the only reason I go on is that I can't believe you have the gull to keep denying that this injury doesn't add up to what they make it out to be. Manny went to see a doctor weeks before the fight. Why do you think he did that? It was stated that there was a tear already. Then Mammy took a few days off, sparred only with his left arm, then took meds and used his right. Why do all that unless his right shoulder was injured. Right? They thought they can also use the same meds for the fight since USADA said its legal. They were wrong according to NSAC. So they had to decide just like Floyd, and it was too late to back out. Like I quoted Floyd's team said. So the NSAC knew BEFORE the fight so it does not matter what you heard in between rounds BUT Manny's S&C said that Manny came back to the corner and did tell them. Lots of similarities between the 2 but you are not doing the same with Floyd's injury. How can they plan to fight August 10? Is that even possible after a surgery for a torn rotator cuff? Don't you find it AMAZING or should I say, impossible, that Floyd was ready to fight August 10????? That means that he was ready to train in June? WOW!!! The go ahead to fight has to be even sooner, right? Not suspicious? So Floyd gets injured on April 20, has surgery on lets say April 25. How soon did the no-name doctor give Floyd the OK the start full contact training???? You are saying this is believable? lol! Those punches that Floyd threw, does it sound like it was a bad injury? You said its not possible for someone with a torn rotator cuff to do those things. Floyd does it, its different? .

You are being illogical. Why would he fake a shoulder injury at the point where he was winning the fight? Does that make sense to you? Also, I don't remember 2 videos. I saw one video where he showed how he threw a punch with the opposite arm but never said which arm was hurt. 2 seconds after that, the narrator said it was the left arm. The way you hold onto this is ridiculous. And again, Floyd obviously DID NOT have a full thickness rotator cuff tear. There is no way he would have been able to fight that quickly if he did. Winning? Floyd didn't do much. The fight just started and he saw Castillo was still coming after him .... There is also a conflict. - Initially they said "strained" rotator cuff then they said "torn" rotator cuff. - They indicate left shoulder was injured then in some videos you are saying that he forgets and indicated the right? Are you joking? - Floyd said it was the worst pain that he ever experienced yet he continued throwing jabs, hooks, raising arm in the air while holding the belts, combos, triple combos, ....even in the later rounds. No wincing, no nothing while he was fighting. If it was obvious, you say, why was it not to the guy standing in the ring with him? Castillo calling Floyd out with his excuses http://lasvegassun.com/news/2002/aug/08/columnist-dean-juipe-bad-blood----revisited/ Asked for his reaction to Floyd Mayweather Jr.'s claim that he injured his right shoulder prior to their April 20 fight at the MGM and that the ailment worsened in the third round, Castillo didn't mince words. "Mayweather always has an excuse," he said, a full grin overtaking his face. "Anytime he's in a tough fight it's because he hurt his hand, his finger, his elbow. "It's the same thing all the time." I pointed to you that every injury is different and pain is NOT a good indicator of what kind of rotator cuff injury you have. Also this relates to motion range and pain. Did I make this up? No, doctor said this. Floyd said it was the worst pain ever. So then does that mean it was a full thickness tear?

Still mentioning my name, huh? Aren't you embarrassed with how much I've owned you? In fact, this whole forum has owned you at one point in time or another. It's like an initiation to joining here. Must own Spoon at least once. So how did your new and improved poll go? lol. CLOWN! I actually felt sorry for the way you embarrassed yourself....and then got promptly banned. Insult to injury! Cheers, bud. ;) Seriously get your brain checked it has too much kool-aid. At this point. it's getting worse. You have shyit for brains man. Clean it up. :lol1::lol1::lol1: Analyze this food for thought, travestNY. Why is it that the poll is showing Froid is winning by a landslide? What's your theory? Here's mine, Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

You got my point Spoon! Everything is logical if Floyd did something because to them, "it does not make sense" if its otherwise. I don't know why you put up with travestNY, that guy is a blockhead that will follow Froid to the ends of the earth if he has too. Rest assured your logic and reasoning has reached the right boxing fans. Talking to a tool takes patience and understanding. Till this day, I scratch my head why you even entertain such illogical man with flawed reasoning. Anyways, you iced him again. Cheers! :unitedsta # 2016 and he is still red lmao # Floyd's winning this poll by a landslide shows travestNY is losing the convincing battle lmao

lol the double standards.. Nailed it again ADP02. Zaroku angry again haha You got my point Spoon! Everything is logical if Floyd did something because to them, "it does not make sense" if its otherwise.