Mike Tyson's resume kinda reminds me of the same reason people like to **** on Calzaghe. Meaning all the big names on his ledger are of old fighters on their way out.
I would argue Holmes is his best win but it was a Holmes close to 40.
Yet Mike Tyson always gets ranked so highly in Hw lists when he really fought a lot of bums in his prime along with old guys and a former light hw (spinks).
After losing to Douglass he went on to lose most of his "big" fights so aren't we being too kind to Tyson because of some sort of misplaced nostalgia about American hw boxing?
The fact that Holmes was never stopped before OR after Tyson fight is impressive and a testament to Tysons punching power. He also beat legit former heavyweight champions Tony Tucker, Pinkleton Thomas, Trevor Berbick, and Razor Ruddock twice, Andrew Golota (who was on steroids at the time) and I think the 2 obliteration's of Frank Bruno were also very impressive.
yea,,,that holmes fight has looked much more impressive after that good second career holmes had. Tyson did catch him off a big layoff without a tune up tho
On paper it would be Larry Holmes but for the fact that Larry came out of retirement to take the fight on such short notice.
Personally I was pretty impressed with the quick KO of Trevor Berbick and the win over Pinklon Thomas. Everything after seemed anticlimactic.
forgot about pink Thomas. that was a pretty good win too. that combination he put on him was sick
Michael Spinks imo. To blow through a guy like that who went the distance twice with Holmes was unreal.
besides the one armed cooney spinks never really faced any other big hitters at heavyweight. it was a good impressive win for Tyson tho but quite expected at least to me at the time. spinks didn't have enough to keep Tyson off or enough rear end to stay off the deck
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/10/sports/boxing-heavyweights-mercer-tries-charity-for-lewis-rematch.html?ref=raymercer
Mercer wanted a rematch but Lewis wasnt interested
hmmm,,,can almost excuse the vitali rematch to age but that mercer fight could have went either way and warranted a rematch. lewis may have dropped a peg on my list after reading that
probably spinks or Ruddock sadly. mike gets his praise for being the youngest champ ever and all those vicious kayos but his resume is quite poor to be honest. he was a beast tho at his best
On paper it would be Larry Holmes but for the fact that Larry came out of retirement to take the fight on such short notice.
Personally I was pretty impressed with the quick KO of Trevor Berbick and the win over Pinklon Thomas. Everything after seemed anticlimactic.
The fact that Holmes was never stopped before OR after Tyson fight is impressive and a testament to Tysons punching power. He also beat legit former heavyweight champions Tony Tucker, Pinkleton Thomas, Trevor Berbick, and Razor Ruddock twice, Andrew Golota (who was on steroids at the time) and I think the 2 obliteration's of Frank Bruno were also very impressive.
Lewis was not widely considered more dangerous than Holyfield, the offer for the fight was after the dubious Mercer fight in which he had looked horrible, the same guy Holyfield beat impressively. Lewis priced himself out of the fight. I'm a much bigger fan of Lewis though, and I think he has the greater resume.
Mercer and his manager, Marc Roberts, the chairman of Worldwide Entertainment & Sports, said they were offering Lewis $20 million to fight Mercer.
Mercer has agreed to forgo his entire purse with the stipulation that Lewis, should he lose to Mercer, will donate $10 million to Project Pride in Newark, which is Mercer's favorite charity.
Mercer and Lewis fought last year at Madison Square Garden and Lewis won a controversial majority decision.
''Everybody who saw the fight knows that Ray won the fight,'' Roberts said yesterday. ''Ray just wants the opportunity to whip Lennox Lewis again. He doesn't even want the money. He'll fight him any place, any time. We're ready to wire the money to an escrow account as soon as Lewis agrees to the fight.''
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/10/10/sports/boxing-heavyweights-mercer-tries-charity-for-lewis-rematch.html?ref=raymercer
Mercer wanted a rematch but Lewis wasnt interested
Yes he explained it by saying that Tyson as champion should receive 80% of the purse which I explained is a laughable notion considering Lewis' would've been champion if not for some BS ruling by the WBC which allowed Tyson to jump ahead of Lewis in the pecking order and receive Lewis' shot at the title.
It doesnt matter against Bruno he would of been entitled to 20% also
Vitali became WBC mandatory, Byrd was IBF and Ruiz was WBA. Im saying Lewis ended up fighting an infinitely better fighter than the ones he "ducked". Whereas Tyson fought the likes of Bruce SeLOLdon
lol
And you conveniately forget to mention the fact that Vitali took the wbc to court to force Lewis to defend his belt against him
Boxing is preparing itself for another round of damaging publicity after Vitali Klitschko filed suit against the World Boxing Council in Las Vegas after Lennox Lewis scuppered his opportunity of challenging for the heavyweight title.
Klitschko is the number-one ranked contender for the WBC heavyweight championship title currently held by Lewis.
A fight originally scheduled for April in the US on the cards - until Lewis pulled out.
It paved the way for Lewis to take the far more lucrative route to a June rematch with Mike Tyson.
The lawsuit notes that World Boxing Council rules require all champions recognised by the WBC, including Lewis, to make at least one yearly mandatory defence against the highest-ranked official challenger - in this case Klitschko.
Under those rules, Lewis is obliged to make a 'mandatory' defence of his title by June 8.
Klitschko's complaint states that he has "repeatedly demanded that the WBC comply with its own rules" and take the steps necessary to bring about a Klitschko-Lewis bout.
But, says the complaint, his "demands have fallen on deaf ears. WBC has refused and is refusing to formally notify Lewis of his mandatory defense obligation".
The court filing notes that news reports and statements by those close to Lewis reveal that Lewis "intended to fight Mike Tyson for a second time in mid-June 2003, without having previously defended his heavyweight championship title against (Klitschko) or anyone else within the one year period following June 8, 2002".
Ron DiNicola, who represents Klitschko, said the complaint asks the federal court to compel the WBC to follow its own rules and constitution and to arrange a championship title bout between Lewis and Klitschko.
http://www.sportbusiness.com/news/150225/klitschko-pulls-no-punches
Klaus-Peter Kohl: “That’s nonsense. There is no such procedure. We received the confirmation of the WBC in writing. In addition we have a contract with Mr. Lewis for a fight on either April 12 or April 19 in the US. If Lewis doesn’t defend his title against Vitali until June the WBC has to declare the title vacant.”
Dr. Vitali Klitschko personally sued the WBC at a civil court in Nevada. There is no decision of the court so far.
http://www.ea$tsideboxing.com/boxing-news/ubp0303.php
Lewis misses WBC deadline for fight plans
LAS VEGAS -- Lennox Lewis is still looking to fight June 21. Still to be decided is his opponent, and whether Lewis will even have a title to defend.
Lewis missed a Tuesday deadline set by the WBC to clarify his plans. He is negotiating to fight Kirk Johnson on June 21, while pursuing legal action to keep the WBC from stripping him for not fighting top-ranked Vitali Klitschko.
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6EkanBEUzu0J:www.theeyeofthetiger.com/news.shtml+vitali+wbc+court+lewis&cd=11&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.co.uk
You can keep saying that, it wont make it any more true. The proof is in the pudding of Lewis being paid $4m to stay away from Tyson. It doesnt get much more blatant than that.
It was step aside to allow Tyson-Sheldon, after that negotiations would start for Tyson-Lewis, which they did. If they didnt pay him Lewis most likely would of took out another court case against them, which would of cost them more time
Grant? Ruiz? LOL....why are you going off in tangents? You wont accept that Tyson wanted nothing to do with Lewis until he had absolutely nowhere to go. End of debate.
He took Tyson and the wbc to court to force Tyson to fight him. Tyson wanted to fight Mercer at the time, but Lewis knew he was going to lose so he took them to court, hence:
World heavyweight champion Lennox Lewis has filed a lawsuit to stop Mike Tyson fighting on 19 January.
Lewis has also requested that the WBC remove Tyson from the mandatory challenger's position if he does fight.
"Iron Mike" is scheduled to fight Ray Mercer next month, probably at Atlantic City, New Jersey before being expected to take on Lewis in the spring.
But the lawsuit contends that the Mercer clash could hurt Lewis financially if such a contest goes ahead.
The suit, which also names the WBC as a defendant, was filed in US District Court in Manhattan on Tuesday.
Tyson replied in a statement the following day that he was "outraged by Lennox's attempt to interfere with my career."
"I stepped aside as the WBC challenger in November to allow the rematch with Rahman.
Mike Tyson in action earlier this year
Tyson is set to face Ray Mercer next month
"Lennox makes his own rules only when they suit him."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/boxing/1694559.stm
You really need to get your facts straight
Regardless, theres nothing in the WBC rules that states a fighter coming out of prison is automatically no1 contender for the championship.
There obviously was seeing as how the judge ruled against Lewis and allowed Tyson to become Bruno's mandatory
The only reason Tyson was WBC Champion (and not Lewis) was because of that bullshiit ruling.
It doesnt matter. It doesnt change the fact that as a challenger he was only entitled to 20%
Funny, Tyson didnt fight either of them. They wanted to milk that cash cow by fighting soft touches for as long as possible. Thats why they avoided Lewis and other threats to fight Bruno, SeLOLdon and what they thought was a washed up Holyfield.
He was never in a position to avoid Witherspoon or Bowe
Thats why they avoided Lewis
He was offered 10M and turned it down. Lewis priced himself out
Lewis priced himself out...end of debate.
You can keep saying that, it wont make it any more true. The proof is in the pudding of Lewis being paid $4m to stay away from Tyson. It doesnt get much more blatant than that.
Grant? Ruiz? LOL....why are you going off in tangents? You wont accept that Tyson wanted nothing to do with Lewis until he had absolutely nowhere to go. End of debate.
Lewis priced himself out...end of debate.
You won't accept the Mike was WBC champ when he clearly was and you basically implied that Grant was more worthy of a shot against Lewis than Ruiz, end of debate.
Grant? Ruiz? LOL....why are you going off in tangents? You wont accept that Tyson wanted nothing to do with Lewis until he had absolutely nowhere to go. End of debate.
It often does when you start to lose grip of the debate.
You won't accept the Mike was WBC champ when he clearly was and you basically implied that Grant was more worthy of a shot against Lewis than Ruiz, end of debate.
Yes he explained it by saying that Tyson as champion should receive 80% of the purse which I explained is a laughable notion considering Lewis' would've been champion if not for some BS ruling by the WBC which allowed Tyson to jump ahead of Lewis in the pecking order and receive Lewis' shot at the title.
Im saying Lewis fought an infinitely better fighter than the ones he "ducked". Whereas Tyson fought the likes of Bruce SeLOLdon
Whatever this has got boring.
Well Iron Mike already explained that to you but oh well then, and so what if he fought Vitali that doesn't mean he beat Byrd and Ruiz, thats a poor excuse and Byrd was a southpaw - something Lewis hated. Not to mention Lewis vacated in order to not face Ruiz way before the Vitali fight so I don't see how thats relevant in anyway. Not that I think Lewis ducked Ruiz, but by your logic he did.
Yes he explained it by saying that Tyson as champion should receive 80% of the purse which I explained is a laughable notion considering Lewis' would've been champion if not for some BS ruling by the WBC which allowed Tyson to jump ahead of Lewis in the pecking order and receive Lewis' shot at the title.
Vitali became WBC mandatory, Byrd was IBF and Ruiz was WBA. Im saying Lewis ended up fighting an infinitely better fighter than the ones he "ducked". Whereas Tyson fought the likes of Bruce SeLOLdon