Come on dude, you serious??? I know youre all on Floyds jock and all but you have to admit to these facts...
1. Regardless of JMM record in 09, jumping to 144 and floyd still outweighing him by 2 pounds was some BS as far as "being fair" goes
2. The way JMM looked during the fight was bloated and fatigued
3. JMM is stronger and smarter now
4. If Floyd wouldnt ask for a crazy ass drug test, and JMM could Roid up like he did with Pac, Im sure he would take the fight and would have a slight chance of rocking floyd, maybe even KO
Would I want that to happen? No, because I think Floyd is a way better boxer than JMM and JMM doesnt deserve the shot, but still, he def is stronger, more lethal now(with roids ofcourse)
JMM offered tests to pac and pac said no. So the roiding is pretty much void at that. JMM is not a great 147 fighter by any stretch of the imagination. He's good and nothing more. It'd be a terrible mismatch in the rematch just like the first fight...
you must not have read all the other site 80% think this he just so floyd can get out of fight. even people on espn are saying this.
The polls are able to be debated though too. Mainly because its easy to abuse them, and have non americans vote in them as well. The fact of the matter is most everyone I've talked to who knows anything about boxing be it hardcore to casual feels Pac has something to hide. I've said it before. Pac's rep is taking a huge hit from this because he won't do the random tests.
Side note about the random testing..... May wanted up to within 48 hours of the fight... though the question I still have is it won't necessarily be within 48 hours but the window is just there. Which means pac might not even have to take tests up to that point seeing as their random... though can someone post to prove me wrong on this saying he would have a set one at that time frame?
Ive been looking around for these facts. And it looks like Wlad can actully bench 395 4 times and 275 20 times....very impressive. On a good day at the gym I get 210 once :lol1:
Tyson has been the hard one to find. I heard the storys of him hustleing people when he was 12 or 13 making bets if he could bench 200 pounds and would. So what could a 1987 or 1997 Tyson really bench...I kept seeing crazy answers like 480 and 550. Im sure Mike can lift alot, but pro bodybuliders would have a time getting 550 :lol1:
Anyone got a relaible souce of Mikes bench?
Browns RB Trent Richardson benches 475 and probably higher but apparently trainers told him to stop lol, so 480 might not be unreasonable.
so JMM hits harder than floyd? bwahaha
I don't think anyone said JMM hits harder than floyd because he doesn't. I think you just inferenced it from the post... if he did mean that ... well I'm at a loss. I think he was saying JMM made pac respect his power, over three fights, and Floyd hasn't been in there yet to make him respect his.
Did it really do that much? I thought official numbers were never released?
They weren't at the request of Bob Arum....
From Boxing Insider.
In the Past HBO has released the numbers publicly from most if not all events, has this policy changed recently?
Mark Taffet: ”We always release figures with the consent of the promoters. Sometimes the promoters feel that the figures are more for business consumption than for public consumption, and if they feel that way, we abide by that, no problem.”
What Id like to now is why announce this when you have a fight signed? He does this shyt all the time.
To put on the facade of the fight being made. Also because he probably feels he might lose to JMM and make it retroactively say that he wanted all these things to begin with? Just my two cents.
Serious question. Do you think that it's not possible for a boxing fan to want to see Floyd & Martinez fight & that maybe fans know that that is literally the most competitive fight that can be made in the sport??
Or do you honestly believe Pacman/Floyd will be more competitive, or Floyd/ginger??
Pac/Floyd at this point is pointless. Floyd/Ginger is interesting barring what happens between then and the fight also the biggest money making fight to be made. I said before I'd like to see Sergio/Floyd but neither man would get credit for the win tbh due to the weight issues. I really don't believe they would. Also to the point of the thread Floyd vs Sergio is the same as Sergio vs Ward except that Floyd already took that step to the level above where he was at where Sergio hasn't. Floyd has no business at 154 and has never weighed that even on fight night. Martinez has hit 168 lbs on fight night and that IMO actually makes him a bigger MW in comparison to floyd at WW.
That is the thing, Floyd will be around for a long time so it is only a matter of time until he loses and all these cats that are dying to see him get beat will see it, but most will completely miss the signs because they are so focused on Floyd not fighting the guy they want at the exact time and will get made to look stupid even when he loses, even though they are dying to predict his downfall~
And they like to run their mouth about people not knowing the deal, which is very laughable.
Wait you mean these posters just really want to see floyd lose? I never noticed that.
Dude continued to put on a clinic and never stopped even with the injuries he sustained. Not going defensive in the 12th was also amazing all things considered. I don't think anyone ever questioned Sergios heart but he really showed it in that fight... huge props to him.
It will be more than 1.3! Both promises a KO win! Pac never said anything like that in his previous fights! It will be guaranteed a no boring fight! It will break 1.5 M
Only reason Pacs camp says KO win is because it's a premade excuse. If they lose a close decision it'll be a I told you so. Most people have picked up on that already. This fight happens because Pac can't make money with anyone else outside of Cotto and they won't fight Cotto at his weight... not excited.
well he's already back to abusing women
wouldn't surprise me one bit if he ends up back in prison
Didn't it say verbal argument? That sounds more like someone tryin to get paid.
P4P rankings are based on whoever you beat, division rankings are based on what you did in that division
And again how did cotto become "arguably best in the division has to offer"?
And i didnt say you had to be there long, i said its mostly based on who you beat. But cotto beat Foreman and became #1? Cmon thats a joke
Generally who you beat but I think the ring bases it off how you look and who they think you'll beat in a matchup. Generally most people think Cotto would beat the 154 lb division and he's proven himself before hence the ranking.
Its not really the same. As mentioned below 154 is a weaker division and its much more cloudy. Nishioka is the certified #1. There is no question about that. There is no fighter u can say that about at 154. And besides, this is Floyd Mayweather and he's been a champ at the weight in the past. Donaire is good but he's not Mayweather.
Nishioka is the certified man at #1. Donaire didn't come in and beat the #1 guy he beat some lower ranked fighters... hence why he's not #1 exactly. Cotto was considered #1 at 154 mainly because a lot of the younger talent while good are unproven. Also floyd fought at 154 has a title, and who do you see in that weight class beating him? Hence the #1 ranking. Everyone says his only challenge is Sergio whos at 160 so why not be #1 at 154?
Maynever have made some people become dumber and dumber.
Look at all these silly conditions they come up with. If Paq wins, who's he going to fight next to deserve a fight with Queen Floyd? Klitschko?
Why is the Queen not fighting Martinez if he truly wants a fight where he is the underdog? Why wait for Paq to lose? What a joke.
Posters like you are hard to take seriously. You come off extremely biased to the point of no return. I suggest changing your tone.
Also no it won't happen if Pac loses. No one will want to see it then. Also the outcome will become clearer Pac can't handle solid boxers. I'd still like to see it for nostalgia sake but it will forever be remembered similar to the Hopkins-Jones II fight... too late to be worth a damn.
Like I have repeatedly said, I don't believe any of that Floyd beats Paq nonsense. I'll believe it when Floyd starts growing balls. How can he beat a guy he avoids fighting? How stupid is that?
Floyd believes he can't beat Paq. Otherwise, he would have fought him a long time ago. So I believe Floyd more than fans. He is the boxer.
That's a real post and should have been your original. The one before it was nothing but name calling and makes you seem very uncredible. I understand your thinking though, which does beg the question... does Floyd think he'll win? I'm not sure if he does but I do. If they ever fight we'll find out, at this point though I'm not sure if floyd feels he'll lose, its a more business side to it is my opinion. Time will tell.
Are you trying to imply that the fight won't sell??:?!:
Will it sell? Yes... will it make close to the amount of money of Floyd/Canelo? You're out of your mind if you think so.
**** alvarez if he takes this fight. we may see maidana get stopped for the very first time.
There's no may about it... In all honestly I'll be upset if this fight happens... It'd be a massacre because there is no way its under 154 lbs. Canelo would stalk and demolish him Maidana has no business at 154... True not many options for Dec for Canelo but I'd rather see him fight a tune-up for May 4th than this... Molina would be fine too. I don't see Canelo losing either but Maidana would be seriously outmatched and everyone saying it's even, while its your opinion, is crazy.
That is why Chris Arreola is popular fighter to watch, he appeals to the common American.
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Lol sadly he does have "some" appeal which goes along with my point. He's not very talented IMO yet people still talk about him. Even more so than some very talented little guys.
that some of you fail to recognize the insurmountable difference size leads me to believe two things :
A : you are biased.
B: you have never boxed or been hit.
Size made a difference but that is JMMs fault 100%. It was in the contract that Floyd didn't have to make weight was it not? Floyd basically said oh I can throw out cash and not make weight? Okay yeah sure. It wasn't like the broner thing where JMM had to accept it and agree afterwards and Floyd pay the commision. Putting something like that in a contract is asking for trouble.
I want to see this fight but only at 154 which again, sucks for floyd but whatever. Reason it sucks because floyd wins people throw out weight drain, and everyone knows there is NO way floyd gets up to 160. He doesn't even fight at 154. That being said, I do think Sergio might lose a step and it could cost him, or floyd might get caught and hurt... either way I look forward to it if it happens.
Also I want to like Cottos chances but I only think he can win if Martinez is drained a bit at 154. Mayweather didn't respect him at all in their fight and he was undersized. Mayweather also hurt him in that fight and if he gets hit like that by Sergio it'll be a short night for Cotto.
Don't get me started on Butterbean :lol1:
LOL. Butterbean was huge for a while here in the states... I'm not sure if you're for or against my post haha. That's a better comparison than Chris to be honest.
We need more Champions like Sergio Martinez who wants to fight everybody and their dog. I seriously think that Cotto gets freaked out by Martinez.
http://sportsrandomness.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/martinez_chavez.jpg
Don't get it twisted about Sergio. I love the guy but saying he wants to fight everyone is utter bull**** and you know it. He wants to fight Mayweather (#1 Money Maker), Cotto (#3 Money Maker), I heard Canelo being thrown around (#4 Money Maker). What about the tough 168 fights? Fights against top guys in his division? Don't try to kid yourself thinking he wants to give the fans good fights, it only seems that way because he doesn't see the kind of money they make and he wants some of the action. If he'd be at their level already he'd want to avoid tough fights more so than now.
It was a close fight, I had mayweather winning it. He had a fractured hand that fight if I remember... what it comes down to is this though... Castillo came on strong, and people went with the same outlook they have with Chavez/Martinez fight again he figured him out... Wrong. Mayweather had an immediate rematch and dominated him in it. That's how you handle your business folks, get a win people think you lost? Go in and show them they were wrong.
I'm neutral :lol1:
But back to Nonito, if he wants to be a draw then at least try to appeal to your Filipino people.
If it means moving to the Philipines and staring in some cheesy films then so be it.
He really does have to do that. Though I believe it's been said he burnt his bridges with them awhile ago, and it'll take a while to build new ones. It's either that or fight some exciting fighters and look great doing it. Nishioka is a good step, but honestly if the lay-off doesn't effect him I think Nishioka takes the fight.
Similar to the guy above me without all the anger... it's because he's so little. To be a huge "draw" generally that means getting a huge American audience and selling PPVs. The problem is most people are his size in America when they're turning 10 years old (I think I weighed 126 going into 4th grade and I was already 5'10"). If this comes of as racist I apologize but generally Americans are larger individuals than asians and when you're that much larger than someone you don't really care about their fight. You feel regardless of how good they are you could swat them with one hand into the ground which turns a lot of casual fans off.