Ive been looking around for these facts. And it looks like Wlad can actully bench 395 4 times and 275 20 times....very impressive. On a good day at the gym I get 210 once :lol1:
Tyson has been the hard one to find. I heard the storys of him hustleing people when he was 12 or 13 making bets if he could bench 200 pounds and would. So what could a 1987 or 1997 Tyson really bench...I kept seeing crazy answers like 480 and 550. Im sure Mike can lift alot, but pro bodybuliders would have a time getting 550 :lol1:
Anyone got a relaible souce of Mikes bench?
This is off the topic of tyson and vlad but george chavalo is supposed to bench and unbelievable amount for a senior citizen.
I remember seeing an article where he said he benches 400 lbs.
Thats f-cking ridiculous for someone in their 70's
There was also a video of a 185 lb., nineteen year-old kid benching 225 sixteen times.
I don't think it's so doubtful that a 6'6 1/2" tall, 245 lb. (cut) dedicated athlete like Wlad can bench 395 four times and 275 twenty times. He's a product of scientific training. According to one bench press chart I consulted, Wlad should be able to max out at about 454. I get what you're saying about Klitschko's build. But in today's day and age, the numbers attributed to him, while impressive, are not especially demanding of video proof.
The reason I say from looking at him is because I'm in the weight room 6 days a week for the last 12 years. I've become familiar with what certain builds are capable of lifting.
Granted, every now and then, you'll get some skinny guy who can lift 225 a few times. The guy in your video is a guy who I would've guessed would be able to do what he did in that video. To me, there was nothing surprising about that video.
But Wlad being the skinny/fit type of boxer, doesn't spell power lifter. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying that I would have to see it to believe it.
Also - keep in mind with Wlad that in spite of his height he actually has quite short arms measured from armpit to wrist.
There have been several times he faced much shorter fighters with longer measurements.
Ultimately, as far as physical build goes, the length of your arms will determine your potential in the bench press more than anything. Plus there is no denying that Klitschko has a very broad chest and back - which is why his total wingspan is huge in spite of the relatively short arm length.
But football players train differently then boxers. Boxers usually don't train with weights football players do. Thats why I don't think Tyson's bench is in the 400's, unless he did lift.
I highly doubt he benched over 400lbs and certainly not the 450-500 that some are claiming.
Bench pressing double your body weight is not a feat of natural strength, it requires a fair amount of dedicated training. Bigger muscles fatigue faster and are less explosive so a prime Tyson may have been strong, but he was almost certainly trying to limit muscle gain - ( at least when he was being lead by smart people)
I played college football and have witnessed my fair share of 450-500lb legit, touch your chest down slow, back straight, bench presses. I know the size of the guys that did it and the hours of weight training they did to get there and I have a hard time believing any boxer who only lifts occasionally can achieve that.
Mike Tyson's could probably squat a much more impressive amount of weight, relative to body weight, than he could bench.
Ive come to the conclusion that both guys are pretty damn strong. Ill just have to ask them in person what they can actully put up. Hopefully ill meet them someday.
Bench press is one of the easiest things to gain IMO, I used to bench when I was younger, I started off at just 140lb max when I was 14, exactly 1 year later I was benching 240lbs at age 15, if I had stuck to it until I was 18 I could've easily gotten up to around 400, I didn't train seriously either I would bench really heavy weight a low reps every so often and my diet was shyt
That depends on the individual. Some people are built for it, so they wind up specializing in that lift. I was always better at overhead presses, squats and deadlifts. Something about the angle made bench presses put too much stress on my shoulders.
Probably 315 max
You guys are crazy and probably 30 years old or less. Dedicated boxing fans 35 years old and older know that 315 is not Tyson's Max. In fact, I'm sure you guys that watched boxing in the mid to late 80's probably remember a training fight hype video of Tyson repping 315 while getting a medicine ball throw at his abs. Tyson was a machine during that era (Managed by Jimmy Jacobs and trained by Kevin Rooney).
Any athlete or former athlete will tell you that 315 is really not that much for a well training athlete like a boxer, football player, wrestler, sprinter, MMA guy, and even some basketball players. I've seen it done too many times in college and in boxing gyms as well. Most people have a natural level of strength, then add to it proper technique, diet, supplements, etc. Considering that 315 is pretty easy. I don't lift weights anymore, but at 5'6" 185 at age 35 I could workout (not max) with 225 x 10/ 275 x 10/ 315 x 8/ 365 x 6/ 395 x 4/ 405 x 4/ 225 x 18 - 20. I did this workout twice a week (Idaho Vandals running back bench workout). Now this is me, a washed up college running back, not Mike Tyson, a multi-million dollar Heavy weight Champion with far better nutritionists and strength and conditioning coaches. I like I said saw him doing 315 like it's nothing.
Tyson started lifting in prison and continued to do so in his career post prison. He probably had his best lifts in the late 90s/early 00s. However, Tyson never lifted weights before that so he never got his full potential I don't think.
Bench press is one of the easiest things to gain IMO, I used to bench when I was younger, I started off at just 140lb max when I was 14, exactly 1 year later I was benching 240lbs at age 15, if I had stuck to it until I was 18 I could've easily gotten up to around 400, I didn't train seriously either I would bench really heavy weight a low reps every so often and my diet was shyt
The reason I say from looking at him is because I'm in the weight room 6 days a week for the last 12 years. I've become familiar with what certain builds are capable of lifting.
Granted, every now and then, you'll get some skinny guy who can lift 225 a few times. The guy in your video is a guy who I would've guessed would be able to do what he did in that video. To me, there was nothing surprising about that video.
But Wlad being the skinny/fit type of boxer, doesn't spell power lifter. I'm not saying he can't do it. I'm just saying that I would have to see it to believe it.
There was also a video of a 185 lb., nineteen year-old kid benching 225 sixteen times.
I don't think it's so doubtful that a 6'6 1/2" tall, 245 lb. (cut) dedicated athlete like Wlad can bench 395 four times and 275 twenty times. He's a product of scientific training. According to one bench press chart I consulted, Wlad should be able to max out at about 454. I get what you're saying about Klitschko's build. But in today's day and age, the numbers attributed to him, while impressive, are not especially demanding of video proof.
I highly doubt Wlad can bench 395, especially 275 20 times lol
I'd have to see it to believe it.
Wlad has the physique of a high rep style lifter, not power lifter. He looks like he can do a lot of pushups or reps 225 a lot. From looking at him, I would guess he can lift 275 6-10 times. I'd say he can get 325 3-6 times. But no way do I see him repping 395.
I'd really have to see it on video.
Appearances can be deceiving. It's impossible to tell how strong some people are just by looking at them. A guy like Wlad obviously looks strong, but just how strong is another matter. And, speaking of videos, there are quite a few on Youtube of regular and professional guys benching 225 for dozens of reps.
Here's just one example, and not even the most impressive, which is scary:
no way in hell these guys are benching that much unless it's a hobby in between fights (which it isn't / wasn't)
tyson lifted weights later in his career, but not in his prime.
that's enough weight to do horrible damage. there' no reason for it, considering that an injury could derail your million dollar paydays, or even your entire career.
i'd say no to the way. those numbers sound funky.
i seriously doubt they even bench, and if they do it's for high reps.
in his prime tyson held a very old school type training camp
sparring, work on the bags, running, shadowboxing, skipping rope, etc.
Some guys are just freaky strong, N.E. I wouldn't doubt that Tyson is one of them. I've lifted on-and-off for years. My best lifts are respectable, given my size and dedication, but I've seen some guys over the years that just make you shake your head.
A friend of mine could bench 315 three or four times when he was only sixteen years-old. I saw a guy at work bench 405 on several occasions. He was a stocky 5'5" and probably didn't weigh more than 200 lbs. I watched (almost in disbelief) a guy blast out reps with 315 on the incline bench (significantly harder than flat bench) once. He was probably only about 5'8" and not much more than 200 lbs. These were all just regular guys (at least the first two; I didn't know the third), not pro athletes with nothing to do but train.
Like speed, punching power or intelligence, it's a gift to be that strong. Most lifters only get hurt when they're trying to lift much more than they're capable of. For some guys, "pushing the envelope" could mean astronomical numbers.
Ive been looking around for these facts. And it looks like Wlad can actully bench 395 4 times and 275 20 times....very impressive. On a good day at the gym I get 210 once :lol1:
Tyson has been the hard one to find. I heard the storys of him hustleing people when he was 12 or 13 making bets if he could bench 200 pounds and would. So what could a 1987 or 1997 Tyson really bench...I kept seeing crazy answers like 480 and 550. Im sure Mike can lift alot, but pro bodybuliders would have a time getting 550 :lol1:
Anyone got a relaible souce of Mikes bench?
Browns RB Trent Richardson benches 475 and probably higher but apparently trainers told him to stop lol, so 480 might not be unreasonable.
no way in hell these guys are benching that much unless it's a hobby in between fights (which it isn't / wasn't)
tyson lifted weights later in his career, but not in his prime.
that's enough weight to do horrible damage. there' no reason for it, considering that an injury could derail your million dollar paydays, or even your entire career.
i'd say no to the way. those numbers sound funky.
i seriously doubt they even bench, and if they do it's for high reps.
in his prime tyson held a very old school type training camp
sparring, work on the bags, running, shadowboxing, skipping rope, etc.
I disagree. I think there is a correlation between the two, though not a very clear cut one, because punching power is after all a result of many other factors as well like speed, timing, technique etc. Nonetheless, a very powerful guy is at the very least going to have the muscular drive to keep his fist moving through another's skull without much loss of momentum. In other words, they're going to be heavy handed. Look at Foreman.
In fact, if you care to take it outside the realm of boxing for a moment, look at someone like Bob Sapp or Brock Lesnar. Despite lacking anything approaching decent boxing form they're still able to knock fighters out with slow and crudely throw arm punches. Would their punches have that same effect if they were of average strength? I sincerely doubt it.
Of course strength isn't a necessity to hard punching, but it is a contributing factor.
You're right to some extent. It's more correct to say, "There's little correlation between how much you can lift and how hard you can punch." Obviously, all things being equal, strength can only add to punching power.
The examples you give are of men who are not only strong, but exceptionally large. I submit that it's their sheer body mass that allows them to throw forceful punches, not purely their strength. In fact, their strength would diminish greatly if they were to lose substantial weight. It's the main reason for weight classes in boxing and, indeed, weightlifting: body mass typically allows one to generate more power.