3. Floyd handling a fight. We didn't get an answer to this question. We did see that Floyd Mayweather has a motherf***ing iron chin beyond question, but Shane never tried to fight, he tried to beat Floyd fighting at his own style.
I don't think so. Hardly an iron chin after being dazed in the 2nd round. He was definitely hurt by those two rights from Shane. His knees bent on the second punch and you could see his feet wobble slightly after that.
He recovered from that pretty well, but that was mostly Shane's fault.
well interesting first post. would you like to elaberate or make a point?
Well, who in their right unbiased mind would think Pacquiao is a "1-punch Knockout Artist"? Nothing to elaborate, his power is accumulative. But it was hilarious that the nomination came from someone named "PAC-MANIA" so go figure. Some people are just too blind to grasp reality.
No way we could ever know, but I think he's been doing it since he lost to Paul Williams. That's when his career was at an all-time low. Check the beatings he's done to his opponents after that... it isn't normal.
Why would Cotto destroy him in a rematch?
Because I think Cotto will be more mentally prepared than Margarito and more determined to win the fight. The strong will you saw that night when he was fighting Cotto may have faded away after Mosley, plus he's going to feel pressured to prove to everyone that beating Cotto wasn't a fluke or the product of cheating. I think the KO loss to Mosley and the plaster scandal have taken a toll on him.
Not going to say whether I think he cheated against Cotto or not, but if Cotto fought the wrong game plan now he can correct it in a rematch and learn to adapt this time. I just feel Cotto's determination will overcome Margarito overwhelmingly if they ever had a rematch.
"I want Margarito back."
I don't, other than perhaps to have a rematch with Cotto. No doubt in a rematch Cotto would destroy him basically, and maybe a rematch with Mosley only to be murdered again, then he'd go into retirement. :lol1:
Those impressed with Dirrell's performance must have some pretty low standards in boxing. He can't slug it out with Froch and 3 more rounds he would've been KTFO, I think.
Main reason why I think Manny can't win is because his speed will become less of a factor in helping him against Cotto. I think speed is what's being overrated right now in this fight. Speed kills? It kills those who don't know or lack the necessary skill to deal with it, however speed comes to an abrupt halt when is dealt with accordingly, specifically timing as its worst nightmare, something Cotto is impeccable at with his hand speed.
I've seen very fast boxers hit the canvas, so no one will buy the tale of a speedy fighter being invincible. One or two nicely timed body shots by Cotto will definitely take a toll on Pacquiao's speed, that's almost inevitable. Don't forget Manny is more of a brawler and not exactly known to display superb boxing technique. Cotto on the other hand knows how to box with well-defined technique. If he concentrates on this once his manages to neutralize Pacman's speed, I don't see the fight going the distance.
I just can't see Manny winning in every possible scenario, unless maybe by Split Decision if by some miracle the fight lasts for 12 rounds. But Cotto will most likely stop him before that, he has all the necessary tools to do so.
How ignorant can people be?
Dirrell is not known for his power or inside fighting, why the hell should he do something stupid like slugging it out with Froch when he clearly has advantages in speed and boxing skills over him? :smashfrea
Excellent point, which brings the next question: Then why didn't he shine from the outside with his "skills"? He looked so unprofessional on balance alone. I say if you can't compete, don't even try, because he didn't look good.
Froch wasn't spectacular either, but out of the 2 he was the better warrior.
It wasn't just one punch that knocked Hatton out. He was already hurt in the first round from quite a couple of hard shorts that Manny easily landed on him due to Hatton's atrocious defense on that fight. That final punch was simply the product of accumulated damage on that short fight up to that point. It wasn't a KO from one punch 1 minute into the first round or something like that. That would've been a 1-punch KO.
And if Hatton ever fought Cotto as he did with Manny, swinging wildly without caring for any kind of defense at all, Ricky would land on canvas knocked out cold in the first round for sure.
Neither of the two are a "once in a lifetime" type of fighter. Maybe they will achieve that "all-time great" status in the future, but not yet. Definitely not yet.
slightly better competition?......pac has 4 lineal weight div champ out those six.....what about oscar?.....lol
Not trying to diss Manny, just not convinced on what he's done past 130lb.
oscar was that good? really? like one of the best all time? the best in the 90's decade? the best in 2000's?
In the 90's yes in the top 3 welters. It was after 2000 that he went slowly in decline. The guy won titles in 6 different weight division like Pacquiao, but arguably slightly better competition too. He isn't an olympic Hall of Famer and gold medalist and future boxing HoFer too for no reason.
why? because he was that good in his prime in 147 lbs? better that Cotto in a welterweight? better than Mosley? was he that good like one of the best that Manny would never get in the right with DLH?
Do you doubt that? Pacman isn't stupid you know? He isn't going into the ring against someone he knows can beat him at a higher weight. Even with Cotto, this fight is happening after Pacquiao attended the Cotto vs Clottey fight and thought he could defeat Miguel based on his performance. He told Arum "he has a weakness, I can exploit it." and they arranged the fight. There was a whole interview about it from back in June when the fight took place.
You can bet your ass that, had Cotto completely decimated Clottey in a big way, there's no way in hell Pacquiao would be getting in the ring with him on Nov 14th, which I think was a big mistake by Manny to underestimate him.
i think you are delusional there buddy. no business messing up in the welterweight? what would you say if Manny beat Cotto? u would come up with some excuses right? like you always do? u still wouldnt give him his credit, right?
what i was saying is if Cotto lost to Manny u still wouldnt give Manny a chance against prime Dela Hoya right? eventhough he lost all the biggest fights he's ever been?
I would have no excuses if he beats Cotto and would give him a lot of credit. What do you mean with "excuses like I always do?" :lol1: However, I think he's going to lose. Can't say he'd beat a prime De La Hoya if he beats Cotto, though. Oscar was that good.
yep. pac beats prime DLH.
I'm afraid you're not aware how incredibly good De La Hoya was about a decade ago. If you think Manny is good, then take a look at Oscar's fights from that time. That man was a master boxer and didn't have anything to envy from Pacman as far as speed and skill is concerned.
joelab75: Don't be delusional there, buddy. Whchever boxer retires or not has nothing to do with how good (or bad) a boxer is. That's a poor excuse to make an argument and Pacquiao has no business messing with the top Welterweights in the division.
So post Pac getting jabbed by Cotto already!!!!????
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Nah, I think most people are giving Cotto respect after the fight. He did take Pac's best punches and continued fighting. Manny's speed and movements just proved to be more than Cotto could take that night.
Pacquiao out guns any fighter, but he was the stronger fighter too.
Cotto is a better boxer, but he can keep up in a brawl with
Pac. Pac is like the energizer bunny. Cotto showed everything except that he wasn't stronger than pac, that couldn't take pacs punches and his stamina.
Cotto's punches definitely had a greater snap to them, whenever they landed that is. Pacquiao's punches had only a little less in them, but they were plentiful, which added to the overall damage to Cotto. I just so happens that, in this case, speed prevailed against power.
cotto thought he could trade with pac and not get hurt but he must have been surprised at pac's power after the 2nd knockdown . That shot probably took some of the fight out of him
Yup, it was the 2nd knockdown that did it. I don't count the 1st one because it seemed more like a slip/balance thing. Cotto was coming up to win the 4th round until he took was left hook and was knockdown. He was visibly hurt at that moment.
Cotto has a lot of scar tissue on his face from the Margarito and Clottey fights. That means it is easier to cut him. The huge cut he has just below the left eyebrow reopened when Manny landed heavily in the late rounds. You look back and notice the damage Margarito did was not previously done. Pacman did damage him pretty good, but Cotto's face already had taken irreparable damage from 2 of his 3 last fights.
I did see Manny hesitate briefly when Cotto landed a hard left (or was it right?) hook on his face in round 2-5 (?). I can't remember which round, but I remember it really well Manny's face shook real hard and he stepped back for a few seconds, but after that nothing else Cotto did hurt him really.
In my opinion, the most amazing thing Manny did last night was to be the first fighter to score a legitimate knockdown against Cotto in the 4th round. It wasn't like in the Torres fight or like in the 3rd round (seemed more of a slip/balance issue than hurt), this time Cotto was visibly hurt.
It's a shame, though, because I was rooting for Cotto. But the best fighter won that night.
You're right, the referee should stop it, but the problem is he didn't when he needed to. Why wait until the 12th to do so? If you're not going to do it properly and let Cotto take punishment through all those late rounds, at least let him finish. Just bad judgement in that fight.