Though I believe a good amount of you truly believe Pacquiao will win, I sense more people having a tough time explaining how and why Pacquiao will win besides the speed factor.
I personally have seen how both would be able to beat the other, but I also know fighters don't automatically change their styles overnight (as has been proven time and time again).
Can Manny Pacquiao be successful fighting Cotto as he's fought his opponents in the last couple of years?
Discuss...
Another thing is Cotto to me has been showing alot of signs of wear and tear, While Pac has relatively stroll in his last 3 fights making him fresh, Cotto has to come down to 145 which is a restriction menatally while Pac doesnt have to bother himself about weight...All the sign and advantages are on pac
honestly think Pac is too fast for him.
If you take Cotto's last fight instance, if Clottey had picked up the pace then he could have got a result, put Pac in that same position and it would have been a different outcome imo.
If Pac beats Cotto, it is because he has the glow. Like Bruce Leroy had in the last dragon.
Pac is at the top of his game right now. Close to unbeatable. Just like Tyson was was in his day, and like Ali and SRR.
Speed does kill. It's also his style, and his level of activity. Really, the only reason I don't think Cotto gets beat up badly is that Pac has to prove he can take a strong welterweight's punches. Pac will fight much the same as he always has, but he has gotten better since back in the days when Morales beat him. He is much better with his right, he has better defense, and he isn't as wild depending on landing the big left.
The reason Pac's speed is such a big deal is because in the lower weights fighters are used to it and can handle it. Welterweights are not used to a guy with featherweight speed combined with very solid power, which Pac is. It's usually one or the other.
Speed,angles,southpaw stance and movements are the things that are going to be Pacquiao's main asset and advantages for me, Cotto's would be to land enough to put a dent in Pac especially the body, If cotto can land enough to the body then he has a better chance...For me pacqiauo all the way in this fight even though am praying for a cotto win.
I am rooting for Cotto, but I think Manny could very well turn out to be too fast, and his speed translates to pretty decent power as well. He looked exceptionally good moving up in weight.
I am sure he can hurt Cotto with his shots and will get to him with his speed. Cotto can most definitely hurt him too, the question is can he get to him to do that...
Thing with that is Cotto without question is going to be the hardest puncher he's ever faced up to this point, so taking punishment from Cotto while getting shots off isn't necessarily the best idea. But when Pacquiao faces other offensive fighters he loves to trade. Pacquiao is fast, but I don't believe he has the ability to simply box Cotto all night like I believe Mayweather would be able to. Pacquiao was successful using those angles against a guy like Diaz who's very stationary, but Cotto doesn't fight that way either.
I'm truthfully trying to find a fight where Pacquiao boxed a complete 12 rounds without exchanging and not getting hit. I believe thats what a lot of people see happening in this fight.
Why not? He was boxing DLH all night. He didn't get careless when he realized he was winning every round.
Hatton diff. story because he actually was physical with Pac , but I still believe Pac will box all night if he has to. He has the great ability to follow his corners instructions. why? because they (roach/pac) have like this father/son thing going on.
He beat Oscar and Hatton soundly in higher weights:
Yes, and now we know he carries his weight and power up well. Unlike Marquez.
He beat greats like Morales, Barrera, and Marquez @ Featherweight:
Yep. Great experience in big fights would surely help any fighter.
He's too fast:
This is obvious. There isn't a person on the planet who's watched Manny and doesn't have an opinion on his speed.
He's too strong:
Yeah, very strong at the weight, I guess. He also has a strong punch, according to certain sparring partners, he hits harder than Margarito.
Cotto is shot:
No. Faded? Maybe.
Not so sure anymore...
No. I'm pretty sure how this fight will turn out.
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i voted on the first 3 options, combination of the 3 ....
PAC is fast and proven in a way that he can at the least compete in higher weights than he is accustomed to, not to mention that he has learn & gain a lot fighting MAB, EM & JMM
Hatton is an overrated bum with no skills and doesn't even have a jab or timing skills like Cotto.
How can you even bring his name in this discussion is beyond me.
im not comparing Ricky to Miguel :smashfrea
im commenting that Hatton tasted what its like to underestimate Pac because of same observation he saw
if Miguel does the same mistake, he'll be wakin up on some stretcher early on
See, that's what I think people don't get. If Pacquiao just goes in and out, eventually Cotto's going to time him and catch him. He knows how to adapt in a fight. When Pac gets in trouble he brawls, that's just his style. The illusion I think people have is Cotto being shot or too slow and Pacquiao just overwhelming Cotto. But how much of that is reality?
in regards to cottos skills... i agree that cotto has a really good chance of bringing out that warrior brawling mentality of pac. This is going to be forced and is inevitable. Im looking forward to this since both are really fun to watch. however although a pac fan im realistic and i know that this is when cotto has the best opp to hurt an unproven welter. if this happens early on (say 3-4), cotto has the advantage. it seems to be that analyzing the imperative of "when" not "if" the war happens will define a winner.
Say the war is felt early on, then cotto gets the advantage of having a more predictable pac and like marquez the first time around, he might have to eat some early left hands to learn the timing for the middle-late rounds. this is the bigger "if" that comes after the "when" however, if cotto can really get the timing.
if cotto does not 1) bring out a war early on and more importantly 2) get the timing of pac's speed early on, pac's speed (which i said would be his best thing going for him) will continue to be the defining factor and a war forced later on might just be that, too late.
to me the task of getting into a war early is the only way cotto can do this not just because of his physical advantage, but because of his recent mental butterflies in rounds 9 and on. and personally im still not necessarily sure about cotto getting pac's timing down as early as he should since stylistically he really isn't a counter punching timing oriented fighter, but more of a lead -left handed -fighter- straight on kinda guy.
like i said though, all this theory talk is fun till the fight. i really cant wait to see what actually happens.
pac vantage points: speed, creating angles, intangibles due to his "inbalance", element of SURPRISE**, STAMINA,
SPEED - he will obviously outwork cotto with amazing speed and combinations
creating angles - comes in at different angles with punches delivered from his huge calves DIGGING DEEP
intangibles - due to the fact manny is not a "boxer" he has many intangibles to worry about when actually setting up a game plan
element of surprise - cotto will be facing a different type of animal. i think pacs speed, power and stamina will surprise cotto
stamina - if it goes passed the 6 round and cotto shows any type of stamina issues. i think he should just throw in the towel. he will be done by 8-9 round and look like dela hoya. minus well just throw in the towel before he puts you out to retire early.
Thing with that is Cotto without question is going to be the hardest puncher he's ever faced up to this point, so taking punishment from Cotto while getting shots off isn't necessarily the best idea. But when Pacquiao faces other offensive fighters he loves to trade. Pacquiao is fast, but I don't believe he has the ability to simply box Cotto all night like I believe Mayweather would be able to. Pacquiao was successful using those angles against a guy like Diaz who's very stationary, but Cotto doesn't fight that way either.
I'm truthfully trying to find a fight where Pacquiao boxed a complete 12 rounds without exchanging and not getting hit. I believe thats what a lot of people see happening in this fight.
Unlikely. Pac's style moved to a hit and move technique ever since the Diaz fight. Most probably because of Roach insistence that he will utilize his speed against the bigger guys. And it was very successful.
IMO, Pac's advantage have always been speed (and his calves :D). Every attribute ( off-angles shot, power, footwork, combinations, slipping punches , etc...) he have revolves around his speed to pull it off. If cotto can slow down pac, he would gain a lot overall.
This idea of darting in and out is a bad bad bad strategy to trie against Cotto because Pacquiao is very predictable when darting in and out. No matter how fast he is if you know he will do the same thing over and over is pretty easy to time if you have a stiff powerfull jab like Cotto's. Pacquiao opens up when doing that also so I expect Cotto to meet him with a jab everytime he tries it and that will pretty much destroy Pacquiao momentum and force him to change his plan of attack.
In the end Pacquiao will be forced to fight toe to toe and Cotto will have him right were he wants him.
I'm rooting for Pac to crush Cotto's fucking cheek bone because I'm tired of people like you releasing training pics of him every five minutes acting infatuated with him like 1950s teenage girls do with Elvis at one of his concerts.
This idea of darting in and out is a bad bad bad strategy to trie against Cotto because Pacquiao is very predictable when darting in and out. No matter how fast he is if you know he will do the same thing over and over is pretty easy to time if you have a stiff powerfull jab like Cotto's. Pacquiao opens up when doing that also so I expect Cotto to meet him with a jab everytime he tries it and that will pretty much destroy Pacquiao momentum and force him to change his plan of attack.
In the end Pacquiao will be forced to fight toe to toe and Cotto will have him right were he wants him.
a lesson which Hatton learned painfully
"same move, every time" :lol1:
I don't think Pac will go for the ko ala kamikaze as he did with other opponents. He'll give Cotto problems, again with his speed, but will be limiting his combinations to 3 or 4 punches then get away as quick as possible because Roach knows Pac can't trade with Cotto when he realizes Cotto can take Pac's punches.
If the ko opportunity comes, Pac will gladly take it but I don't think he'll trade with Cotto on the inside. That will be his downfall.
I'd take Pac by UD or late stoppage.
of course speed isnt the sole reason pac will win, although it is a damn good one. speed frustrates for the first few rounds and by the 8th or 9th round of in and out attacks, its over. Pac did this with DLH, and pulling the trigger is impossible when speedy+stinging punches disrupt you. although he's a different fast handed warrior than before, he is one for the better in a division that could knock him the **** out if he isnt.
The way pac was competitive against Barrera, Morrales, and Marquez is another reason hell win. These guys (barrera and marquez in particular) might not have had the power cotto had, but they were more skilled. having these fights to look back on will help.
I just hope pac comes to LA already and picks it up a notch because all of this theory talk is shit if hes not 100%. thats how much of a step up beating cotto requires.
See, that's what I think people don't get. If Pacquiao just goes in and out, eventually Cotto's going to time him and catch him. He knows how to adapt in a fight. When Pac gets in trouble he brawls, that's just his style. The illusion I think people have is Cotto being shot or too slow and Pacquiao just overwhelming Cotto. But how much of that is reality? Last year people would say you're crazy to set up a fight Cotto and Pacquiao. But Pac beats Oscar and Hatton and Cotto has a tough fight with Clottey and now it's a no brainer for Pacquiao? I mean, if a lot of people sit back and think twice this is exactly how they're thinking without admitting it.