Wow, great question, great fight.
I don't blame gggs resume on him, he can only beat the fighters that get in the ring with him and that's what he's done.
Unfortunately for ggg, Hagler performed at that same level against better opposition....for now I pick Hagler in a helluva fight....but ggg still has time to change that.
Great conditioning; horrendous fight plan!
I don't think Chavez wins in any scenario, but he was a fish out of water.
Can only imagine the following conversation between nacho and Chavez sr. ....guarentee it's not pleasant.
The real blame is on jr. For half assing the sport all these years and believing he can turn it on like a light switch when the stage presented itself.
But nachos attempt to turn Chavez jr into Juan manual Marquez almost overnight, is incomprehensible! For his sake, i hope its a sound contract because id be looking for loopholes to dock his incompetence.
GGG got a gift against Jacobs but that fight has no bearing on the outcome of the GGG - CANELO fight. Jacobs is bigger, has more power, can box better and has good movement. He is way better than Canelo and the best 160 lbs fighter right now. A Canelo vs GGG fight will be good but I don't see Canelo beating GGG.
It's subjective. The same stuff was said about Austin trout.
A combination of things.
DJ came in big and executed a great fight plan. Giod foot work, Jabbed well, created distance, pick and choose his battles well and wasn't afraid to clinch when necessary.
I think ggg is declining also, it would be an injustice to do say is was mostly that, it was mostly dj, but how much, nor sure, but do think ggg is fading a bit.
Hopefully we never find out! Pac has had a hall of fame career...the amount of courage he displayed after entering the ring is for the ages....hopefully he can demonstrate the same courage and exit promptly.
I would say this post is a little over the top. He did get some decisions he shouldn't have i.e. the sturm fight in my opinion. but all of those 'disputed' decisions were close. I had the Mayweather fight 8-4 in Mayweather's favour also.
He was also on the wrong end of a few bad decisions i.e. trinidad who I had Oscar a clear 9-3 winner and Mosley which I think he did enough to win.
With regards to Mayweather's gloves and weight. Come on. You sound like a Mayweather fanboy. Oscar was the star and the champ at 154. Mayweather challenged Oscar, not the other way around so it's natural that they'd fight at his weight with his gloves.
I think your "Bad decisions" is a good choice of words. People use the robbery word way too freely. His fight with Tito was probably the only robbery, the others were just bad decisions for and against Oscar.
Just a hair below good enough to be considered great.
Spot on imho. I always thought he was really good, maybe even really really good, but never great.
We all know he beat tito, I even think he may have beat shane the 2nd time, give him those and u could make a decent argument that he passes the greatness threshold by a narrow margin, but if we go that route, than there's a couple wins we'd have to take away from odlh.
From a marketing standpoint, HE WAS GREAT, top 10, arguably top 5.
While I agree Floyd lost the first fight to Castillo, Floyd is not the same fighter he was during Castillo 1, nor us Khan the same fighter as Castillo, bad analogy, sorry!
It was good, I think I expected a little more based on all R he stuff I read, but I guess an hour probably couldn't capture it all. I once read that his uncle used to pimp him out, make him fight older cats for many as a way to get paid. They said he was a teenager fighting full grown men. Very good nonetheless, thanks the memories champ!!!
I think the fight hinges on Leo's beard. If it's less than adequate mares could very easy put him to sleep. But if he has a great chin, combine his endurance/high punch output with mares tendency to fatigue in the later rounds, it could go either way if it goes to the score cards.
If the Martinez that Cotto beat was at 100%, than Cotto wins a good competitive fight.
My guess is Sergio was less than 100 and Canelo wins by stoppage.
Cotto is slightly overrated at this point of his career. Canelo, who was grossly overrated early on, is probably slightly underrated now.
Canelo wins and Mexicans will use it to declare him the pound for pound champ and start goat conversations, while Puerto Ricans will go from saying cottos the best he's ever been under Roach, to he was too old and would have destroyed him in his prime....all in a two fight span. Got to love boxing!
I think it's a fair statement. A crafty mexican fighter who lacks carisma and self promotion skills. His ethnicity doesn't appreciate the style, those who support the style have plenty in their own ethnic makeup to support. His style is not fan friendly and he offers the sport no visual or verbal niche.
I also think e tends to fight to the level of his competition, which doesn't help matters either. When u factor in he's no spring chicken whose brighter side awaits him, it's the perfect storm and why he gets robbed so much.
Duran's father, Margarito Duran, was born in obregon, sonora, mexico, and was supposedly a good fighter in his own right, but ended up in az, l.a., than the service/ panama canal.
some actually think chavez and Duran may be related, obviously no one has proved it. So pretty suspect.
Funny, thought crossed my mind after being so excited on a huge fight night to see two bad decisions...reality is I cant, lol. But I'd like to after nights like tonight.
They talked about this during the Rosado-Lemieux fight
Something about Gatti's trainer tapping his knee when the doctors asked him how many fingers
nice! Hadn't heard the one. Didn't duva or dundee make a cut bigger to get a fight in which they were ahead stopped so they can go to scorecards?
The fact that so many of you had Cotto winning puzzles me :lol1:
Straight homerism! We were about 20 deep, 50/50 in terms of who we wanted to win. Nobody questioned the decision. We knew, in fact, we thought it would be a closer fight.
There was a guy on board who hates canelo, but very unbiased, so he knew.....everyone on this board knows....hellllll, cottos family knew.
Respectfully disagree. Pw had that low stance that made it very difficult for fighters to find him, whereas Floyd stays right down the pipe just very difficult to hit. Statistically Floyd prevails and hard to make a case for PW having more pop, I'd give a slight edge to Floyd.
I do agree that PW was more apt to fight everyone, but it was a slightly different era.
And let's not forget, duva opted to wait a bit before throwing Pw in with jcc.
Don't remember all the fights from 1990, but it brought us Tyson /Buster and jcc Sr/meldrick taylor. ...2 fights that still get tons of visibility almost 25 years later.
broner is one fight away from winning titles in a 4th weight class. is he over hyped?
Maybe, I said it's hard, not impossible. A lot of variables:
Who does he win the fourth title from and how?
Does anyone other than himself claim him to be an a pound for pound top 10 fighter?
His story is far from complete, for a 25 year old he has a decent resume, these next 3 years will speak volumes.
let's revisit if and when he wins his 4th title.
So Fat Dan had a small chit chat with two fellow obese Mexicans at the line to the buffet and told him they like GGG more. Big whoop.
Haha.
By triple g I think they were referring to Guys Grocery Games.
I can't say I'm surprised. Both Puerto Rico and Mexico thought Cotto won the Canelo fight. The only ones who had Canelo winning were the American media/audience. In boxing, it's best not to blindly follow someone because of race.
For example, I'm Puerto Rican, but I'm not exactly on the Verdejo bandwagon yet. I've been very vocal about his flaws. I'd be happy if he fixed them, of course, but I know, at least right now, he'd lose to the top competition.
There's probably a similar situation here. They know GGG is pretty dangerous, so they're rolling with him. They have a right to that. Some "hating" could of course be involved, too, but it's that way with everything in life.
U have lost ur mind! Outside of a selective few non prs, everyone knows cotto lost. I frequent an African American based gym multiple times a week, the majority there went for cotto, but most didn't think he'd win, and nearly all thought he lost.
I was at the ggg fight, a lot of mexican Americans in attendance......most mexican fans don't even speak english....dans tweet is just that.