Recently watched some Pernell fights and I came to realize that his footwork was arguably at GOAT level. Literally tiers above the likes of Floyd's, Hopkins or Ward's.
Hopkins(Prime version)/Ward/Floyd often makes their opponents miss by miles by keeping miles between them, or smothering them entirely.
Whitaker, however, was at his creative best staying just in and out of range, reading an opponents body language, setting his traps, and creating the art upon the canvas that was the ring. Whitaker more often played a game of inches, and played it well.
Just look at the opening performance against Roger Mayweather. Although Whitaker is praised so highly for his upper body movement, it was his subtle footwork that facilitated his upper body to move with such precision. Sliding backwards while pulling his head slightly, ducking out at a side-angle with a full pivot, and even effortlessly intimidating a stalking opponent into backing up momentarily to maintain control of the center (such as against Roger Mayweather, a well-rounded boxer-puncher) by stepping forward-these are all subtle tricks that allowed Whitaker to maintain complete offensive and defensive control of an opponent in a way that guys like Hopkins and Floyd rarely demonstrated.
This brings us to our next elements: Lateral Movement and Stepping With/Into Punches.
Prime Floyd has superb lateral movement.But Whitakers was superior.Floyd's lateral movement was to take away a punching angle and set up an ambush, but Whitaker's lateral movement was fixed into his offense. It is difficult for a southpaw to consistently land a jab without turning into it, and none has ever done it better than Whitaker. Whitaker's default was to circle while jabbing, constantly circling his opponent and inviting his offense while scoring with his own, elegantly dancing around his opponent without wastefully or skittishly running from him (most of the time, anyway).
And while Floyd is a master of befuddling an opponent when cornered and escaping the ropes, Whitaker is not one who was rushed there quite as often. No other fighter since 1965 has been able to circle an opponent so completely while still maintaining their offense. While Whitaker is almost or just as capable of disengaging and ambushing an opponent as Floyd is, he unquestionably trumps Floyd's ability to maintain control in range while side-stepping and pivoting into his punches and recovering position after throwing without ever leaving the center of the ring.
I never seen footwork like Pernell's and just felt like posting my opinions. I'm not saying Pernell will beat Floyd H2H, in terms of overall skills they are in the same tier. But in terms of footwork and movement? Floyd falls far short of Sweet Pea.
The only fights that are called robberies are Ramirez 1, Chavez and Oscar are the only one that wasn't a robbery out of those three was Oscar.
I have no idea what that sentence means or how this relates to the original topic. I'll get you back on track.
Some people will claim that Whitaker often uses his 'slips and jives' to create an illusion of great defense while Floyd does not need to resort to these tactics.
The idea that the measured worth of the execution of a skill should be measured in its closeness to conventional usage flies in the face of boxing's status as an art. It is a craft, but the execution of the craft is highly individual, and sometimes quite unorthodox.
In regards to the Chavez fight. It was nowhere near close and it a horrific robbery. As mentioned earlier, the fight also showed Whitaker's superior footwork in every way. The first four rounds even more so.
While Whitaker's entire arsenal was used to neutralize Chavez's offence, the first 4 rounds of the fight determined that Whitaker's superior footwork was what enabled him to choose when he would fight inside or outside, and how to evade Chavez's punches and offensive angle without sacrificing his balance or being out of position to punch. Again, for every time you want to point to Whitaker crossing his feet, there are many more instances of Whitaker controlling the center and shifting direction and using angles to his advantage both offensively and defensively. No amount of foot-speed is going to stop a fighter from paying dearly against such a fighter unless they can choose when to deviate from the convention and otherwise execute great textbook footwork.
He's doing this against one of the best pressure fighters of all time, mind you. He's doing this against Julio Cesar Chavez, and dropping about 3 rounds in the process. This fight is not a phone-booth fight where Whitaker dominates JCC on the inside for most of all 12 rounds, it is a constant bull VS matador dynamic where Whitaker takes over after the first 4 and decides the range and angle at which the fight will be fought at all times.
Respectfully disagree. Pw had that low stance that made it very difficult for fighters to find him, whereas Floyd stays right down the pipe just very difficult to hit. Statistically Floyd prevails and hard to make a case for PW having more pop, I'd give a slight edge to Floyd.
I do agree that PW was more apt to fight everyone, but it was a slightly different era.
And let's not forget, duva opted to wait a bit before throwing Pw in with jcc.
Could definitely add Savon in the mix as well as a lot of other high end Cuban amateurs. I love Erislandy's style so rare you see a fighter of his size be that smooth and fluid, he made Anthony Joshua look utterly ridiculous still gutted he got robbed. I'd love him to turn pro.
That really would be a HW prospect to get excited about.
Erislandy's footwork is just beautiful. If he turned pro his footwork could be talked about alongside Muhammad Ali.
The DLH whitaker faced wasn't exactly prime either. And Mayweather clearly beat DLH more convincingly. So no, your argument is flawed.
Much closer to his prime than Whitaker was. Whitaker was shot after the Julio Cesar Vazquez fight.
The only fights that are called robberies are Ramirez 1, Chavez and Oscar are the only one that wasn't a robbery out of those three was Oscar.
I didn't just say robberies, I said fights that became close...they were close because Whitaker allowed them to be that way. He has plenty of close scorecards throughout his career.
Having said that, I think the JCC fight was a horrible decision, Whitaker won that but yet again, he allowed for it to be close due to his clowning.
In terms of pure footwork, yes Whitaker was better but if we take into account a plethora of other factors, I believe Mayweather is a better all round fighter, especially offensively. Whitaker was so good with his defense, he often made guys frustrated but in some of his biggest fights, he didn't always capitalise because his offense was often so mediocre. It's why so many of his bouts, at the highest levels had close scores or were called "robberies" some of which clearly weren't.
The only fights that are called robberies are Ramirez 1, Chavez and Oscar are the only one that wasn't a robbery out of those three was Oscar.
:lol1: I was a bit confused since Teofillio was the only one of the lot who was never a pro. You could also add Felix Savon onto that list, he was basically amazing at everything. His nephew Erislandy isn't bad either!
Could definitely add Savon in the mix as well as a lot of other high end Cuban amateurs. I love Erislandy's style so rare you see a fighter of his size be that smooth and fluid, he made Anthony Joshua look utterly ridiculous still gutted he got robbed. I'd love him to turn pro.
That really would be a HW prospect to get excited about.
Adonis :lol1: Yeah Teofilo, I knew I should of edited that so it didn't cause confusion
:lol1: I was a bit confused since Teofillio was the only one of the lot who was never a pro. You could also add Felix Savon onto that list, he was basically amazing at everything. His nephew Erislandy isn't bad either!
In terms of pure footwork, yes Whitaker was better but if we take into account a plethora of other factors, I believe Mayweather is a better all round fighter, especially offensively. Whitaker was so good with his defense, he often made guys frustrated but in some of his biggest fights, he didn't always capitalise because his offense was often so mediocre. It's why so many of his bouts, at the highest levels had close scores or were called "robberies" some of which clearly weren't.
So does just about every fighter in boxing history. In fact the only fighters I'd put in the same bracket are Pep, Stevenson & Rigondeaux. No shame there.
Teofillio?
If you genuinely think Whitaker was robbed against De La Hoya, isn't it very telling that a prime Mayweather could only just about equal his performance against a substantially older, more diminished fighter?
It really isn't, Whitaker himself has struggled against opponents Mayweather would have made easier work of.
The DLH whitaker faced wasn't exactly prime either. And Mayweather clearly beat DLH more convincingly. So no, your argument is flawed.
De La Hoya was very much in his prime against Whitaker and few without an agenda would dispute that. And if Whitaker was robbed, that would suggest he won around eight rounds (or at least seven convincingly), which is the consensus maximum number of rounds Mayweather won against a shopworn, inactive De La Hoya.
If you genuinely think Whitaker was robbed against De La Hoya, isn't it very telling that a prime Mayweather could only just about equal his performance against a substantially older, more diminished fighter?
The DLH whitaker faced wasn't exactly prime either. And Mayweather clearly beat DLH more convincingly. So no, your argument is flawed.
If you genuinely think Whitaker was robbed against De La Hoya, isn't it very telling that a prime Mayweather could only just about equal his performance against a substantially older, more diminished fighter?
Whitaker was robbed and they tried to rob Floyd...only thing telling here is they tried to rob 2 fighters who clearly beat Oscar
You wrote 400 words to tell us something that no one cares about. As far as I am concerned, the biggest difference between Floyd Mayweather and Pernell Whitaker is that Mayweather wasn't robbed by Oscar De La Hoya.
If you genuinely think Whitaker was robbed against De La Hoya, isn't it very telling that a prime Mayweather could only just about equal his performance against a substantially older, more diminished fighter?
It is an insult to dumb people to equate them with the people on this site who post these daily hate threads about Floyd Mayweather.
Yeah i should rephrase that, theres some sick sadistic muthafukas on here... dumb people dont post shiat like that, sick muthafukas do.
Its always about floyd larry, he is even being labeled as a murderer now!?:ugh: theres sum dumb people on this site...
It is an insult to dumb people to equate them with the people on this site who post these daily hate threads about Floyd Mayweather.
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