GGG vs Hagler

I'd venture to say most folks in here haven't seen Hagler fight. Maybe some highlights or a quick glance of boxrec. I rate GGG highly (he's clearly exceptional) but I don't see how he beats Hagler. I'm not going to use the "He did this with this guy" crap, but he's clearly a better all-around fighter. If you actually can watch Boxing objectively you can see that he was a masterful boxer first and foremost. He was great at creating holes in a guys defense with subtle movements and yes, good footwork. He was excellent at darting in and out and breaking a guy down. He would do so with a piston like jab and a mix of body shots. He knew distance and timing like very few. On top off that he had an all-time great chin, an iron will and power in both hands. Those are hard things to overcome. In this matchup I'd say GGG is the bigger puncher, but it cancels out as I'm sure Hagler could take GGG's best shots flush so he'd take them in a Boxing match where he is fighting smart. Footwork both are good and GGG cuts the ring down but he wouldn't want to be cutting down on Hagler the whole fight because Marvin was a superb counter puncher and threw in bunches. GGG would have to take backwards steps. Lets assume GGG can take Hagler's best (a reasonable assumption as he has a good chin) and that he has an iron will. Lets assume neither guy goes down (neither ever has, Roldon wasn't a legit KD) and lets assume GGG is like a duck to water stepping up to this level (not a given, but lets assume), he just doesn't have the speed, variety of punches, defense etc; that Hagler had. We know this so that's why the safest bet is to assume Hagler wins more rounds. It would be a great fight, but for every round GGG wins Hagler would win two.

Hagler breaks him down and pulls out a UD or possibly a TKO it very late rounds.

Keep lying. Now Hagler had footwork like Pacquiao? Dude moved like a HW, and GGG KO's heavies in sparring. Hagler feasted on midgets for all of his MW career until he finally fought a tall past prime WW coming from 3 years vacation and who only had 1 fight in 5 years in SRL and Hagler lost, got it worked via shoeshining punches. GGG beats down Marvin Hagler by late round TKO and there's nothing you can do about it. he only watched the sugar ray fight...you can tell...lol

It's crazy how many people overhype and overrate Hagler. Take away 147/154 pound boxers and what does he have? about 50 some odd ko's of natural middleweights

It's crazy how many people overhype and overrate Hagler. Take away 147/154 pound boxers and what does he have? Bunch of middleweights and many that had height and size advantages over him - Minter, Briscoe, Obelmeijas, Hamsho, Roldan and other normal size middleweights Antuerfermo, Seales, Watts, Monroe, Finnegan, Sibson. Now if your a fanboy trying to knock a legit great to bring up your mancrush that may not be impressive. Those guys thrown in with bums like Duran, Hearns, Leonard, Mugabi would pin legit losses on most.

It's crazy how many people overhype and overrate Hagler. Take away 147/154 pound boxers and what does ge have? Bunch of 5'6" - 5'8" Middleweights who would get steamrolled today by GGG/Jacobs/Canelo.

It's crazy how many people overhype and overrate Hagler. Take away 147/154 pound boxers and what does he have?

I didn't know Hagler was a slow plodder. That's a new one on me. Keep lying. Now Hagler had footwork like Pacquiao? Dude moved like a HW, and GGG KO's heavies in sparring. Hagler feasted on midgets for all of his MW career until he finally fought a tall past prime WW coming from 3 years vacation and who only had 1 fight in 5 years in SRL and Hagler lost, got it worked via shoeshining punches. GGG beats down Marvin Hagler by late round TKO and there's nothing you can do about it.

:haha::haha::haha: Get your oily ass off the computer Can't even refute, just like all senseless GGG haters.

I'm not discussing this with some damn ADHD Teenagers who only seen CLIPS of Hagler :lol1:

Hagler decision, possibly stoppage later in the fight. Doesn't matter if it would be 12 rounds or 15 rounds. Hagler had the type of style to get up in Golovkin's personal space. Golovkin isn't used to boxing and moving, he likes to engage. I think Hagler would wear him down through the course of the fight.

lets be honest here... ggg would run through haglers resume undefeated. be real. you dont think chinny hearns would get folded in half by a ggg right hand? you think leonard would be running in circles against ggg who can cut the ring something Hagler couldn't do. you think duran would be calling ggg a b*tch after fighting him? people letting this jacobs fight fool them. nobody else is gonna have 20 lb advantage on ggg. that version of jacobs would also run through haglers resume. people say he was a switch hitter..so. when jacobs switched to southpaw he got dropped. ggg is way more precise with his shots than hagler. i would be more inclined to say Hopkins would beat ggg in a ugly clinch fest fight. but Hagler not beating ggg he dont have Hopkins IQ. I think Hagler would have a very easy time with what GGG has been faced with. Jacobs would be easy work. You probably know nothing about Benny Briscoe but he'd have been a top champion in most era's too bad he had to contend with guys like Monzon. Hagler had to go to Philly to beat him just to get a ranking, Different times, harder times. I think he's better than Lemiuex for instance. MUCH BETTER. I'd also favor GGG in individual matchups against most of Hagler's opponents but if you fight the top guys he fought in quantity he may come up worse than Hagler. I'm not sure "chinny" Hearns loses to GGG. Wasn't Jacobs "chinny"? I think that's a competitive fight that an all-time great like Hearns is more than capable of winning. Same goes for ATG Duran. He'd compete with GGG. Sure, he's not on a middleweight and I realize what that means - on paper, but Duran is clearly one of the top 10 fighters of all-time and had some great wins between 154-160. Moore and Barkley trump any GGG win for instance. Leonard got a lucky call against an old Hagler and I know Hagler was the same age as GGG but please don't show your ignorance and act like 35 in 1987 is the same as today. Also, I'm not so sure GGG beats that Leonard. We've not seen him at that level - yet. I'm a fan of both I just think it's pathetic to bring down a universally accepted all-time great to bring up your mancrush. Just as I think it's pathetic people trying to bring GGG down when he's been a dominant, ass kicking champion.

hagler was put in tough his whole career...didn't have the luxury of cherrypicking....best wins are against atgs heanrs and duran....all losses and draws avenged except for srl...62 wins (52 kos) 3 losses 2 draws...12 title defenses of the undisputed mw title, not fragments of the belts...i'll be watching ggg though... I have the outmost respect for Hagler, but imagine GGG fighting career WWs. Duran - most fights at 147 or lower SRL - most fights at 147 or lower Hearn - most fights at 147 or 154 Great names but imagine GGG fighting Floyed or Paqiou who are ATGs, most don't give Floyed or pac a chance a chance, GGG would walk through floyed defense and cut the ring on him, and he would surely walk through pacqiou too much size difference in my opinion. I've browsed through Haglers record and more than half his fights are littered with guys who have losing records. Even after he hit the 40 fight mark he was still fighting guys like Willie Warren (44-38-3), Bob Patterson (12-7-2), Jamie Thomas (10-5-0). Again this isn't to downgrade Hagler, it is put the different era's in perspective, and the bias that makes current fans always lean towards old fighters vs. new fighters.

we live in a different world now, very few fighters fight 4+ times a year, GGG is one of the few, also unlike Hagler GGG (which seems to be common with Cuban and eastern European fighters) had a longer amateur career and started in the pros later, Hagler retired younger than what GGG is now and had almost 30 fights in the first 3 years of his career... no fighter (except maybe a few Mexican fighters) have that now period. hagler was put in tough his whole career...didn't have the luxury of cherrypicking....best wins are against atgs heanrs and duran....all losses and draws avenged except for srl...62 wins (52 kos) 3 losses 2 draws...12 title defenses of the undisputed mw title, not fragments of the belts...i'll be watching ggg though...

There was no 168 back then. Leonard, Hearns, Duran were all-time greats why not fight them instead of fighting at Light-Heavyweight? You shouldn't give GGG credit for cleaning up 175 yet he hasn't done that yet. How long have you watched Boxing? Casual newbie fans are fixated by this hopping weight class cherry picking stuff. If you can make the weight and there's guys in your division still, why the need to always move up? Hearns postponed a fight in 1982 with Hagler, made him wait until 1985. Leonard did something similar. Just because you don't know that era and started watching Boxing recently doesn't mean your an authority on it. Sure, GGG has been avoided, but Hagler had it very hard just to get a title shot and was very avoided. I'd list the name of guys that avoided him and some that were forced into fighting him but you wouldn't know or care anyway. GGG got an interim title and then started knocking fools out. lets be honest here... ggg would run through haglers resume undefeated. be real. you dont think chinny hearns would get folded in half by a ggg right hand? you think leonard would be running in circles against ggg who can cut the ring something Hagler couldn't do. you think duran would be calling ggg a b*tch after fighting him? people letting this jacobs fight fool them. nobody else is gonna have 20 lb advantage on ggg. that version of jacobs would also run through haglers resume. people say he was a switch hitter..so. when jacobs switched to southpaw he got dropped. ggg is way more precise with his shots than hagler. i would be more inclined to say Hopkins would beat ggg in a ugly clinch fest fight. but Hagler not beating ggg he dont have Hopkins IQ.

jacobs beats all those guys. period. and fact remains haglers biggest win is against a lightweight. but ggg gets endless criticism for fighting a gigantic welterweight who has no business at 147.. put it like this brook whoops duran at 160. Jacobs would be too big, too strong, too tall, too athletic for any of those guys including slow plodder Hagler. Brook beat Duran at 160? I disagree, Brook beats Duran anywhere from 147-160 plus he beats the Fab 4. Hearns weak chin wouldn't last 12 rounds vs Jacobs.

...you do realize hagler didn't get the big fights until he was something like 60 fights in...thats two careers for the average fighter today...ggg is what?, 37 fights in, he want to be compared to hagler he got some more work to put in... we live in a different world now, very few fighters fight 4+ times a year, GGG is one of the few, also unlike Hagler GGG (which seems to be common with Cuban and eastern European fighters) had a longer amateur career and started in the pros later, Hagler retired younger than what GGG is now and had almost 30 fights in the first 3 years of his career... no fighter (except maybe a few Mexican fighters) have that now period.

Jones is a proven PED cheat. smdh you idiot..he took a legal substance, from over the counter...ripped fuel....it had trace amounts of a band substance and that Jones "cheating" crap has been debunked 100x times over....damn do you ever get tired of trying to discredit fighters that you dont suck off? Mike Mccallum turned pro at 154 and won title at 175 and 160 Michael Nunn 160,168 hell even Hearns got kos from 147-190 the list goes on Benn and Eubank at 160,168...the list goes on GGG just isnt the fighter the media and his ****suckers want him to be....its ok...he is a very good fighter...he just isnt a monster or ATG....deal with it.

so what...Jones started at 154 and was knocking out lightheavyweights If his power is as potent as the media made it out to be, surely he should have hurt Jacobs more often, let alone a domestic level fighter almost going the full 12 like Murray, hit shot kassim ouma with everything but the kitchen sink for 10+ rounds but he stops an all time great like Hagler? yea right Jones is a proven PED cheat.

fighters of today can't compare to fighters of yesterday. i think boxing is pretty much the only sport where fighters get worse with time, according to fans. That being said, this would be a great fight if it ever had the possibility of taking place. I think Hagler is one of the best if not the best middleweight of all time. he had a few losses earlier in his career and one at the end but he was a beast and would be tough fighter for any middleweight to overcome. Lets ask ourselves honestly, as far as Hagler and GGG go, in their primes can anyone who is equivalent to their size or smaller really beat them? I don't think so. I don't know who wins between hagler vs. GGG and comparing resume's isn't really fair to determine who is better because GGG didn't have the luxury of the SRL, Duran, Thomas Hearn type of opportunities and only now there are a few decent fighters making their way into the division, like Canelo and Charlo who aren't proven at middleweight but are proven at 154. Too bad that GGG is likely going to get further and further removed from his physical prime with each fight, after all he is turning 35 next month. ...you do realize hagler didn't get the big fights until he was something like 60 fights in...thats two careers for the average fighter today...ggg is what?, 37 fights in, he want to be compared to hagler he got some more work to put in...