But if you flip the scenario around and Pacquiao requested these tests and floyd refused to take them, I think Carolla's attack would still be towards Pacquiao (and unnecessary comments towards the Philippines) rather than Mayweather.
Are you serious? At least half the people blame floyd now, and he wanted the drug tests which are a good thing. If floyd had declined the tests nobody other than ellerbe would support him. People hate floyd, and even though he deserves no hate for demanding the tests he still gets it. If Floyd turned down the tests he would be giving them a reason to hate and believe me they would. Pac would continue to be the angel of boxing with everyone talking about historic impact both inside and outside the ring.
I didnt start this thread to compare who's been more a victim of racism. I dont deny that filipinos have been racist towards any other race, I'm aware of that. My point is that not all remarks towards filipinos are a result of retaliation. Some of these remarks, such as those of carolla's stem from pacquiao's success.
No, Adam's comments come from his frustration that the biggest fight in years isn't happening because pac won't take the test to prove the mayweather's are full of shit. He only points out pac's race because from a lot of media and press he is getting a free pass when anyone who was born in the US would not. It has nothing to do with his success other than his success putting him in position for the failed pac v may megafight.
People that know boxing realize Margarito is well above a "decent C+ fighter". You don't see genuine C+ fighters winning championships and headlining PPV's. Signed Carlos Baldomir
Why bother if it is something that you think is for homos?
You guys really act like these guys aren't serious fighters just because they are versatile in multiple forms of fighting.
lol i meant curious in a bi-curious sort of way.
What's hilarious is that a lot of you guys sit around here talking about how MMA is gay but yet you still like to make threads and talk about it all the time. Why bother with it if it's something you detest? Let me ask you a question. If I'm a straight man who thinks MMA is only two homos rolling around, what does that say about me if I go searching for MMA content?
that your curious.
You should know some people here can't be reasoned with, nate can't see because of a headbutt and he's a quitter but all hail plasterito who wants to walk into the ring with casts which is probably the most cowardly thing you can do. Point is they are either legitimately stupid or just acting that way to get to you, either way you are not gonna change their minds.
how about if a boxer breaks his hand or jaw during the fight and he quits. would you guys call that boxer a quitter?
hell no i have broke my hand before and i couldn't imagine punching someone with it while its broken. I am simply amazed when a boxer continues to throw punches with a broken hand or get hit with a broken jaw.
Brock Lesner became the UFC's Undisputed Heavyweight Champion in just 4 fights, and in just 3 previous wins.
Ok, yea yea, he has a big Wrestling background, and Wrestling is a big part of the UFC.
Matt Skelton was a previous kickboxer, and boxing is a big part of kickboxing, he didn't get anywhere.
Vitali Klitschko was a professional Kickboxer, I didn't see him get a title shot with the Undisputed Heavyweight champ after having a record of 2-1.
wow mma is a far deeper sport than boxing; punches, kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, ground transitions and submissions. Boxing is a very specific skill set while mma is a wide variety of skills. I like boxing more than mma but it is not a deeper sport.
In terms of talent? Yes it is.That is not even a debate MMGAY fanboys will even try to argue unless they are as delusional as you.To be great in boxing you need great skills,To be great in MMGAY you need to be a good grappler,have a love for rolling around half naked in a cage and atleast one tatoo.Top mma fighters have attempted to try their hand at boxing and failed miserably.In mmGay a shitty,bar room brawler can achieve some degree of success
boxing is supposed to be a part of mma yet every mma fighter you watch doesn't seem like they've taken a boxing class in their life lulz
boxers are better at all things related to boxing but mma includes all of those and a lot more. MMA fighters don't have the time to develop the same level of boxing skills that professional boxers have because there are many other things that they have to train as well. If a pro boxer fights a mma guy in the cage he will likely lose but he does have a punchers chance, in a boxing match the mma guy doesn't even have a punchers chance.
nah... floyd beats margo like he beat baldomir.
pretty much, mosley isn't hard to find, he was getting hit against mayorga but margarito couldn't even touch shane so i don't see how he we would possibly hit floyd. No way floyd wins by stoppage unless margarito lunges at him, slips on a wet spot on the canvas and tears a knee ligament forcing him to retire from the fight.
That's the difference between boxing and MMA. I think there's a difference between getting knocked out and getting your arm ripped off or being choked to death while you still have your senses. I don't see the mma cats tapping because they got hit too hard.
actually on saturday two guys in the same card lost by submission due to strikes, i will admit i haven't seen it happen before then but still. I do agree with you in general though.
I think a lot of fans and press saw the fight as a one point win for jmm just like they saw bhop winning by a point over the slapper, but with the fights being as close as they were there wasn't any outrage with final decision outside of a few on this site who exaggerate and call close fights robberies.
FLoyd needs the money and wants to stay active. We all know Floyd can and will beat Mosley. Floyd will fight 3 times next year. Watch just watch.
I doubt floyd will ever fight mosely. I don't think he is scared, he just feels like mosely ducked him when he was the bigger name and now that floyd is the bigger name he is doing it right back to spite him.
I love atlas, he is one of the purest people in the sport, he realy loves boxing and his passion is refreshing
right on point, who can forget REF STOP THIS FIGHT REF STOP THIS FIGHT!
classic
To the average fan pac is guilty no matter what if he doesn't take the tests. If he wins he was on peds, if he loses it is gonna be look what happens when he doesn't get to take peds, and if he fights someone else it will be see he is avoiding the tests because he is dirty. You cannot neglect any kind of drug testing and look clean. Pac's team really f'd this up. It doesn't matter how ridiculous the testing is pac has to agree or he looks guilty, it may not be fair but neither is life.
So noboby gave blood 29 days before their competition in the olympics. If that is the case, what was the big deal in agreeing to the tests if he knew pac wasn't going to be tested anyway? Every time Bob opens his mouth it makes pac look worse and worse.
no what bob is trying to say is they're calling it olympic style testing yet no olympian was even tested 30 days before competition.
olympians get tested the day of the competition , afterwards i think.
if no olympian got tested 1 month before competition by the usada , why the hell is schaeffer asking for up to 5 blood tests and 12 urine tests in 2 months?
I see what you are saying about not wanting the tests but obviously the USADA doesn't do the blood testing close to a fight so why no agree to it? I thought the main problem was getting tested the day of, or one day before the fight. Now the original proposal from floyd to use the USADA looks like neither of those would have happened. I don't see the problem.
Am I the only person who doesn't use these idiotic words around here? I think that's actually the first time I've ever even typed that shit. I immediately feel 5 years old even typing any of them.
Ya it seems like it and most of the names are really stupid. However, i can't help but smile when someone refers to floyd sr as crackweather.
What Floyd is asking for is within his right to ask for , he only needs to think Manny " might " be on it and that is reason enough , Manny saying no is not within his right because the issue is dealing with PEDS .
wrong. Floyd is well within his rights to ask but manny is well within in rights to refuse. However, because manny has refused (which he is certainly entitled to to do) he cannot complain about people calling him dirty because everybody knows that is what happens when you decline any kind of drug testing. Manny is looking to have it both ways and it just doesn't work that way.
Cotto vs Margocheato
Margocheato vs Mosley
Mosley vs Cotto
Clottey Vs Margocheato
Clottey vs Cotto
Pacquaio vs Cotto
P-will Vs Margocheato
Soon
Pacquaio Vs Clottey
Berto Vs Mosley
You can even add
Berto vs Collazo
And the name Missing is Floyd jr.
He last 2 fight were JMM a LW and Ricky Hatton a JWW.
Well hatton only had one fight at welter and he won a belt from collazo and even knocked him down. You claim Collazo as a top 10 so surely ricky has to count as a top ten welter too, maybe not a top 5 but certainly a top ten. He also beat Oscar who was a 154 beltholder, that has to count for something.
So his last 4 fights he beat the lineal ww champ, a 154 pound champ, an undefeated 140 champ who had fought and beat a top 10 ww while winning a belt at ww, and beat a top 5 p4p fighter who moved up too much in weight as a tune up after a long layoff.
If Pac had KO'd Floyd would you not mention his name as another elite top 5 ww fighter that pac had beaten?
You don't have to beat a single world class fighter to be world class.
If you lose all of your fights be it close ones to world class fighters you are world class in my view.....just showing that you are on par with those fighters is enough.
I can't listen to any argument about Clottey not being world class when he is clearly better than Cotto and Margarito even though he lost to them without them really beating him.
I would think that if you lost every fight to world class opponents in close fights then you probably are a step below world class.
He knew he's going to have this interview way ahead of time so he had prepared for it. In an interview of this magnitude on ESPN, if he was so concerned about English not being his first language and how it would affect him, he should've hired a translator.
They were not hard questions. I'm sure that an idiot could've anticipated the questions. Truth is that he had no logical answer for denying the test. He's just trying to pull the "me know no english" excuse.
And you must be very naive. It's not the first time Arum had lied to make himself look good.
Lol the ole sammy sosa defense gets 'em every time.
Funny thing with evander is that there is overwhelming evidence now that he used hgh. That may have been later in his career although but there are some things to suggest that he was using all the way back in 94.
exactly,he already had in bag like 15 more insane demands like ring size of football field
If that is the case then why didn't they accept the testing and call the fight off over the next "unreasonable" floyd demand so that they wouldn't raise ped questions? Pac is either hiding something(peds or the fact that his team doesn't want the fight) or he and his team are the dumbest people on earth.