I don't care what you say, Boxing requires more skill and is a deeper sport that MMA.

mma fighters dont go 'deep' in any skill set they use. the best mma wrestlers would get beaten by the best Olympic Wrestlers, the best mma boxers would get creamed by the best pro boxers, etc... they will go 'waist high' in a variety of styles, but they never go far in one particular style. and thats what 'deepness' is. In terms of wrestlers and Ju Jisu fighters in MMA they have elite guys in them disciplines. When it comes to boxing especially they have waist high skills thats for sure.

yup boxing still it for me and always wll be

More modern MMA and the general crop are garbage skilled, however, you cannot claim that some of the masters of MMA (Sakuraba, Gracies, Shamrocks, etc) are any less skilled than the best boxers. MMA looks alot more sloppy because its in the early(relative to boxing) stages and every single garbage fighter is put on stage and tv, unlike boxing which usually you have to dig to find any footage of the first 20 or so fights of any pro's career.

Joe what brought this one on G? lol Obvious though Boxing is the sport that requires more skill and dedication etc etc muthafuking etc... To be a Champ in our sport takes years and years of training... MMA takes a shave a quick tattoo and a red bull and your there! :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

First time I ever saw an MMA match was at the recommendation of my gay friend - and lo and behold it looked like two guys trying to **** each other. LOL. Most of those guys spend more time rolling around with dudes more than chicks. Im sure theres MMA dudes who go gay just to get the ground advantage.

First time I ever saw an MMA match was at the recommendation of my gay friend - and lo and behold it looked like two guys trying to **** each other.

co sign men of many traits masters of nothing Agree. MMA = Jack of All Trades, Master of None

Joe what brought this one on G? lol Obvious though Boxing is the sport that requires more skill and dedication etc etc muthafuking etc... To be a Champ in our sport takes years and years of training... MMA takes a shave a quick tattoo and a red bull and your there! co sign men of many traits masters of nothing

MMA is evolving into boxing as we speak. It will take years and years for that to happen, though. I've watched the sport since it hit the scene and it was clear from the outset that those with a strong wrestling background would soon dominate once they learned to defend against BJJ. Now wrestling with BJJ skills isn't enough. Everyone wants to stand and fight. Nobody wants to go to the ground and when they do, fights rarely end in any BJJ move other then a guillotine or rear naked choke. BJJ is a very deep sport itself, but not one that most people want to watch. People want to see knockouts and they can care less if there is a technique behind it. MMA fighters rarely fight in "space" so most boxing principles are useless. The only thing making MMA even comparable to boxing at this point is about 6 oz of padding. Let a boxing match between two superstars happen with 4 oz gloves and you'll see sheer and utter brutality. Two words. Verrisimo/Hughes. For people who don't follow. Renato Verrisimo fought Matt Hughes in a 3 rounder. While Hughes was taking down Renato, a BJJ expert, Renato was totally schooling him on the ground. Submission attempt after submission attempt after submission attempt. The fight is over, guess who wins. Hughes. According to the boxing judges, Hughes was on top of Renato all the time, so he wins. Fighters aren't keeping the fight standing because people like KOs. They're keeping it standing because the numbnut judges don't want to get or understand ground technique. So ground based fighters have to secure fights by striking so in hapchance it does go to the ground, they at least have some insurance. No matter how bad their striking is.

and you know this how? Some people are more comfortable on top than on the ground. Against a pro boxer, of course an MMA'r would have a better chance on teh ground, where a boxer would have ZERO chance. But to say everything just will go back to the ground again is just an unproven blanket statement. There was a time when it was all ground, when the gracie's caught everyone off gaurd and introduced it to everyone. The sport has evolved since then and everyone is experienced on the ground, at least to escape and hold their own. Big reason why Gracie's arent as dominant as they once were, everyone adapted to them. I dont see how evolving hurts them, whereas you say, "boxing With boxing, you know what you have and it's still on top". Im not sure that statement supports MMA. One sport is evolving and getting bigger, and the other staying stagnant. Boxing fans are getting insecure about MMA, and Im a boxing fan who doesnt feel that way. I dont see any reason to down MMA. Never said boxer vs an MMA'er. I said as the sport evolves. At first it was a crap shoot, it evolved into BJJ dominating, then wrestlers dominating. Now it's turning into a stand up game. More and more MMA'er are trying to learn boxing. Far more then a few years ago. They are looking for an advantage over the next guy and soon, they will all be comparable with each other at boxing. The next step will be to take the boxer down back to the ground and things will have become full circle. MMA is evolving into different aspects, but that doesn't mean it's becoming a better product. The fighters are getting better, but as usually goes, styles make fights and when you have two similarly talented fighters who fight with the same similar style, you get boring fights. MMA has peaked. It will never get more exciting then it is now. The fans can care less that Silva knocking out Forest was anything less then technical bliss. All they care about is that dude got stretched flat and ran out the ring like a wuss. MMA fans in general, applaud mediocrity when it comes to boxing, boxing fans do not. I am an MMA fan. I love the fact that there is something else to watch when there isn't any good boxing on or football isn't in season. Still, nothing comes close to the anticipation of a good boxing match. I respect MMA fighters and their abilities, but the product as a whole is more hype then anything else. Exciting MMA fights are too far and in between. Definitely not enough of them to kill boxing. MMA Evolution = Jacks of all trades, Masters of none.

wow mma is a far deeper sport than boxing; punches, kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, ground transitions and submissions. Boxing is a very specific skill set while mma is a wide variety of skills. I like boxing more than mma but it is not a deeper sport. mma fighters dont go 'deep' in any skill set they use. the best mma wrestlers would get beaten by the best Olympic Wrestlers, the best mma boxers would get creamed by the best pro boxers, etc... they will go 'waist high' in a variety of styles, but they never go far in one particular style. and thats what 'deepness' is.

In terms of talent? Yes it is.That is not even a debate MMGAY fanboys will even try to argue unless they are as delusional as you.To be great in boxing you need great skills,To be great in MMGAY you need to be a good grappler,have a love for rolling around half naked in a cage and atleast one tatoo.Top mma fighters have attempted to try their hand at boxing and failed miserably.In mmGay a shitty,bar room brawler can achieve some degree of success boxing is supposed to be a part of mma yet every mma fighter you watch doesn't seem like they've taken a boxing class in their life lulz boxers are better at all things related to boxing but mma includes all of those and a lot more. MMA fighters don't have the time to develop the same level of boxing skills that professional boxers have because there are many other things that they have to train as well. If a pro boxer fights a mma guy in the cage he will likely lose but he does have a punchers chance, in a boxing match the mma guy doesn't even have a punchers chance.

I'm a big fan of both Boxing and MMA. This two sports requires discipline, dedication, smart, heart and skills. Both sports compliment each other in a good way.

Brock Lesner became the UFC's Undisputed Heavyweight Champion in just 4 fights, and in just 3 previous wins. Ok, yea yea, he has a big Wrestling background, and Wrestling is a big part of the UFC. Matt Skelton was a previous kickboxer, and boxing is a big part of kickboxing, he didn't get anywhere. Vitali Klitschko was a professional Kickboxer, I didn't see him get a title shot with the Undisputed Heavyweight champ after having a record of 2-1. wow mma is a far deeper sport than boxing; punches, kicks, elbows, knees, takedowns, ground transitions and submissions. Boxing is a very specific skill set while mma is a wide variety of skills. I like boxing more than mma but it is not a deeper sport.

Brian Urlacher never played tennis. Silva has tried boxing. So it's really nothing at all like that. Lets keep it in football then so there's actually more of a connection: Tom Brady is arguably the best QB in the NFL right now, for sake of argument we'll say he is. Tom Brady would make a poor Safety. Therefore it is harder to play Safety than Quarterback. It's different skill sets. Boxing is a more controlled specialized sport. Most boxers are better punchers than most MMA guys. Most MMA guys have more rounded skill sets than boxers. I enjoy both sports, I actually don't mind when matches go to the ground it's very tactical if you know what's happening. But, Boxing is a different sport you tend to see more subtle fighters, true counter punchers, outside fighters, things that the rules and ring in boxing allow.

There's a fine difference between the following two statements: "Quarterback is the most difficult position IN football" "Quarterback is more difficult to play THAN football" one of the above statements makes zero sense. http://www.heartsandminds.org/fotos/MSCAstressedMan.jpg this is what i said Quarterback is the most difficult position in the entire sport. That should tell you something about your analogy. Playing the position of quarterback is the most difficult position in the entire sport. I never said "quarterback is more difficult than football". Why are you clinging to this strawman as opposed to awknowledging that being champion in MMA isnt as difficult as it is in queensbury rules boxing. Thats the whole point of this thread. I cant stand Joe Calzhage or his "reign". But i would respect his years of hardwork, dedication and effort he gave to the sport far more than the reign of ANY MMA champion today. Thats my opinion. My uninformed, ignorant, american idol lack of mental capacity opinion

That's like saying Tennis is harder than football because Brian Urlacher is a good football player but a shitty Tennis Player. MMA requires a greater diversity of skill, boxing requires specialization. Brian Urlacher never played tennis. Silva has tried boxing. So it's really nothing at all like that.

There's a fine difference between the following two statements: "Quarterback is the most difficult position IN football" "Quarterback is more difficult to play THAN football" one of the above statements makes zero sense. http://www.heartsandminds.org/fotos/MSCAstressedMan.jpg

Jesus Christ, my point is QUARTERBACK is a position in FOOTBALL like boxing is a part of MMA. Is it that difficult to understand? Playing Quarterback IS FOOTBALL, so if you're going to make a logical argument, you may argue that playing QUARTERBACK is more difficult than playing WR/TE/SS and so on. To say the position of QUARTERBACK is more difficult to play than FOOTBALL shows you have the mental competency of your average American Idol fan. Quarterback is the most difficult position to play in football, i shouldnt need to clarify that its tougher than wideout, back or O-line. That should be obvious. But i guess by not pointing that out, i am the average american idol fan with a lack of mental capacity, lord forbid i miss Paula, Simon and Randy.

Yes and as the fighters become more skilled in boxing, the sport will evolve back on to the ground. No way guys are gonna wanna stand and trade with a pro quality boxer even if they themselves are a pro quality boxer. Things will go back to the ground and become borderline boring to watch. Just as you said, the sport is relatively new and still evolving. What you see now, isn't what you'll see later. With boxing, you know what you have and it's still on top. and you know this how? Some people are more comfortable on top than on the ground. Against a pro boxer, of course an MMA'r would have a better chance on teh ground, where a boxer would have ZERO chance. But to say everything just will go back to the ground again is just an unproven blanket statement. There was a time when it was all ground, when the gracie's caught everyone off gaurd and introduced it to everyone. The sport has evolved since then and everyone is experienced on the ground, at least to escape and hold their own. Big reason why Gracie's arent as dominant as they once were, everyone adapted to them. I dont see how evolving hurts them, whereas you say, "boxing With boxing, you know what you have and it's still on top". Im not sure that statement supports MMA. One sport is evolving and getting bigger, and the other staying stagnant. Boxing fans are getting insecure about MMA, and Im a boxing fan who doesnt feel that way. I dont see any reason to down MMA.