To be completely fair, what Floyd is asking for has been done before. Tyson did it to Evander before their second fight. Read below. This is not meant to be a flaming war. It actually shows both sides of this situation with pac and may.
From the book "The Holyfield Way"
"There was a prior hint of this defeatist attitude a few weeks earlier when Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, called to tell me that Tyson would not fight Evander, unless he took a steroid test. This did not bother me at all, because I knew with certainty from many talks with Evander on this topic, that he had never used steroids. Evander told me some people urged him to use steroids, especially when moving up to the heavyweight division. Evander always refused for one reason: he would never have known whether he could have done it without the steroids. I wasn't worried about the test, and I knew a refusal would be taken as evidence of guilt. On the other hand, Tyson had no propable cause to request such a test and absolutely no right to require one as a condition for the fight going forward. I discussed this with Evander, who came up with a brillant solution. He said that he would take the test provided that the results would not be revealed to Tyson, until after the fight"
Holyfield-"I laughed when Tyson was demanding that I take a steroid test. I saw Tyson's look when he saw me with my shirt off at the weigh- in for the last fight. He couldn't believe how big and muscular I had become from how hard I trained. I knew he must have convinced himself that I had won the fight cheating somehow, because he couldn't face the fact that I was just stronger than him. I was happy to take a steroid test, because I have never used steroids in my life, but I didn't want Tyson to have comfort of knowing that I was not using steroids. I wanted Tyson to continue to think that I had an unfair advantage over him so he would give himself an excuse for losing again."
Take the above from Evander's book for what its worth. I think we can kind of see both sides of the coin with these statements.
LINK FOR MORE READING FROM EVANDER'S BOOK
I am making videos about this right now for the geturfactstv channel on youtube..
and WEBB better believe I am making video about this point...:lol1:
Remember to tell the story about Evan Fields as well.
No it was not OSDT. However the point was that Evander who was the champ was asked to do something that had not been done before.
OK,
but of course lets note: As was Manny, who agreed also.
Coach Webb,
I can tell that you have a little trouble understanding things. The point these guys are making (as per my last few posts) is "did Holyfield do Olympic testing"? That is the issue. Manny also agreed to do tests that were "not required".
No it was not OSDT. However the point was that Evander who was the champ was asked to do something that had not been done before.
that's a tough call man. manny has been on such a tear, but the way pbf dominated my man jmm has me real torn. i have not decided who i'm pickin, and i think i will need to see the 24/7 shows to help decide to see how they both look in training. i think it will be a great fight, and they will rematch at least 1 time.
Gotcha Mell....should be a good one....very good one.
Coach Webb,
I can tell that you have a little trouble understanding things. The point these guys are making (as per my last few posts) is "did Holyfield do Olympic testing"? That is the issue. Manny also agreed to do tests that were "not required".
did holyfield take USADA testing that Fraudulent jr. is requesting?
What's the difference between the las vegas boxing commission test that evander took from the one pac took?
What did they use to test for Steroids?
Lets see what the article says brah...EVIDENTLY based on this article, the testing that Tyson wanted was not REQUIRED brah.
read this again...
Well if you are going to do that please do not put out misinformation, as Pac also agreed to EXTRA tests as did Holyfield. We have no knowledge what the tests were that Holyfield agreed to and they may have been the same or less than what Pac initially agreed to before matters were pushed to "full olympic testing". In this scenario, had Tyson pushed for full olympic testing Holyfield may have also cracked the shits and said no.
Can we rely on you to be unbiased Horus?
I am making videos about this right now for the geturfactstv channel on youtube..
and WEBB better believe I am making video about this point...:lol1:
Fa sho Melly..u know its all love. Thanks for voicing how you felt and I'm glad to be able discuss how I feel. Deep down I just want the two best to fight one another and that's real. They say they supposed to meet on Sunday or something to discuss the fight (read it on btalk) so I hope they get it done. Who you like to win BTW Mell?
that's a tough call man. manny has been on such a tear, but the way pbf dominated my man jmm has me real torn. i have not decided who i'm pickin, and i think i will need to see the 24/7 shows to help decide to see how they both look in training. i think it will be a great fight, and they will rematch at least 1 time.
i'm just givin my point of view bro. don't want to offend u son, just keepin it real. still got love for ya man(no homo). anyway, i agree about the fight man, it needs to come off no doubt. i still feel in all honesty that they are just doin this to hype the fight. and since arum owns clottey it makes it easy to put another twist on the saga, but i think this fight is gonna happen, andt his is all some and mirrors to hype the **** out of it.
Fa sho Melly..u know its all love. Thanks for voicing how you felt and I'm glad to be able discuss how I feel. Deep down I just want the two best to fight one another and that's real. They say they supposed to meet on Sunday or something to discuss the fight (read it on btalk) so I hope they get it done. Who you like to win BTW Mell?
Hmm, correct me if I am wrong, but what Holyfield agreed to so did Pacquiao initially, correct?
But Floyd then pushed it further and wanted MORE, he wanted a much more complex system than either Holyfield or Pacqiao agreed to, and at that point Manny said no, as might have Holyfield had Tyson wanted "full on olympic" testing.
Lol...this is funny Mel. Real talk. I mean, i got banned because i kept posting manny's excuses why not to test bro. Manny fans reported me because they didnt answer the excuses. Obsessed? Naw, i just want the biggest fight in my era to go down just like the next fan. Falling off? I really didnt realize this thread would make ppl came at me personally, for real.
i'm just givin my point of view bro. don't want to offend u son, just keepin it real. still got love for ya man(no homo). anyway, i agree about the fight man, it needs to come off no doubt. i still feel in all honesty that they are just doin this to hype the fight. and since arum owns clottey it makes it easy to put another twist on the saga, but i think this fight is gonna happen, andt his is all some and mirrors to hype the **** out of it.
dude, so are you gonna tell me that all of your posts this past week or so have not been in defense of pbf to the hilt so much it got you banned? come on son, you need to realize your obsessed, and i would hate for you to sway to a moronic poster like some of these other pecker checkers bro. all i'm sayin.....step back, and look bro. not trying to be a dick man. your good shit in my book, but your fallin off a bit son.
Lol...this is funny Mel. Real talk. I mean, i got banned because i kept posting manny's excuses why not to test bro. Manny fans reported me because they didnt answer the excuses. Obsessed? Naw, i just want the biggest fight in my era to go down just like the next fan. Falling off? I really didnt realize this thread would make ppl came at me personally, for real.
Mel, did you even read the OP? I clearly stated that BOTH sides can be seen from me bringing up this situation. Also, it was to show ppl that asking for "something that hasn't been done before even in the history of the sport" happened with the two best heavyweights at the time. Just read the OP.
dude, so are you gonna tell me that all of your posts this past week or so have not been in defense of pbf to the hilt so much it got you banned? come on son, you need to realize your obsessed, and i would hate for you to sway to a moronic poster like some of these other pecker checkers bro. all i'm sayin.....step back, and look bro. not trying to be a dick man. your good shit in my book, but your fallin off a bit son.
.as a christian, let it be.
its crazy how I bring up a similar situation that happened in the past with two of the best to do it and ppl call me dumb and stupid. But I clearly say in the OP that both sides of the coin can be seen and understood with what was quoted from Evanders book. I'm going to get into with him myself and see how he feels because he was in a similar position as Manny.
webb, what happened to you man? you were a reasonable poster, but now your only posts are defending floyd......let the shit go. it is what it is.
Mel, did you even read the OP? I clearly stated that BOTH sides can be seen from me bringing up this situation. Also, it was to show ppl that asking for "something that hasn't been done before even in the history of the sport" happened with the two best heavyweights at the time. Just read the OP.
you dont think that Evander did at the time? Notice that the book says that he did testing that was NOT required...but we know that the NASC had testing in place in 96
it reads...
No drug tests in 96, you are dumb.
so before 2001, how were boxers tested for anything illegal? Because if there was no testing at all before 01, then it was open season for ANYONE to cheat and get away with it.
youtube vids have nothing to do with this.
they weren't tested, you are dumb.
the point of the thread was to show that this HAS been done before, contrary to boxingscene belief.
Nup, wrong again. never done.
Again...
The whole point is Tyson asked Holyfield to do something that was not required and probably never done before at that point.
The point is...the point is..you are dumb.
No fighter has accepted blood tests simple as that can u ****ing read english?
this thread is going in circles
coachwebb makes himself look like a idiot
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he get called out as being a idiot
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he ducks and tries to change topic
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sorry again coach webb but you're making yourself look dumb as **** again.
NO BOXER IN THE HISTORY OF THE SPORT HAS AGREED TO TAKE A BLOOD TEST FOR STEROIDS.
Again...
The whole point is Tyson asked Holyfield to do something that was not required and probably never done before at that point.
i dont know why you were banned, but im kinda happy you were.. 95 percent of your posts are regarding mayweather.. just hop off man.. its annoying..
You have a choice as far as what to read or where you post. Your complaining about it is annoying.