Watch Lewis and not the fighter he lands it on. In the first clip he puts more of his weight behind it, in the 2nd it's more of an arm punch. Both are good and still powerful regardless. Also, they clearly stunned/hurt Klitchko and Holyfield but the first had more force behind it. I'm amazed neither of them went straight down from them though.
My 5
Paulie Malinaggi: Because he is a feather-fisted, trash-talking guido b*tch with a wack record. I loved watching cotto break his face.
Zab Judah: Because he is over-confident and talks a lot of bs but then gets knocked out.
Sugar Ray Leonard: He came around to a gym in Queens once and didn't even go in to say hi to the kids that were training their asses off to be like him. He also is a "clown" like someone else put it.
Butler: guy deserves to rot in hell
Calzaghe and DLH are tied for the last spot. I dont hate them a lot, but they just piss me off a little.
Those quotes are pretty much the same thing my family has said about Cintron (despite his last name being the same as several of my cousins). I never really thought he was amazing but I still rooted for him when he fought, but after that Sergio Martinez bullshit I was like "you gotta be kidding me, take that flag off your trunks".
Cotto destroys him. I'd rather see him fight Williams or Collazo. If he beats them he can make a name for himself again. Who are you to call out Cotto?
it definitely looks like an out of shape mayweather. if you look at him when he throws his counter punches thats exactly how mayweather does it, has the right hand up, left close to his waist to bait the guy in, rolls with the punch and comes back with a right-uppercut or left hook which you can clearly see he does. I definitely wouldn't say that was floyd at the top of his game. it was probably the first sparing session he had in a while. anyone could take a lot of punches like that when they are really exhausted or out of shape. put floyd in good shape and a bigger ring and he garauntee he wouldnt be standing in front of the guy like that.
I'd like to see Cotto-Berto. I think he would get more money as Berto has both a world title and is undefeated and from the US. HBO PPV would definitely pick that one up. Clottey would be a tougher challenge though.
are you a RE-RE??? how is the blood gonna go through the gloves???? god damn it!!!
i hope you never have kids
That's one of the funniest things I've ever read on boxingscene
Well, if Cotto's blood found its way onto the outside of his wraps for that fight (i.e. through an embrace or otherwise being in close proximity of his bloody head), then it'd be pretty easy to see if these current wraps with the blood stain on it are the same ones.
Right...?
WRONG! That definitely didn't happen. That would be a waste of a blood test.
you DO know that they take their gloves off and greet each other after the fight... right?
wet pad + blood = lightly stained with blood pad
That's impossible. I saw the fight when Cotto went up and hugged Margarito. They didn't touch hands, nor was Cotto's face bloody at the time since they wiped it with a towel. Margarito didn't say to him "oh you got some blood left over on your face, let me clean it off with my hand-wrap."
The only way that thing got bloody is if he cut his hand up pretty bad and it bled through, which is very possible- it happens to me sometimes when I box if I land an awkward punch and the wrap rubs against my knuckles, although my wraps aren't as good as a pro's.
i think the word overated is overated on here..hattons been the man at 140 for 4 years..he's a champ...
He's definitely the champ. I said he's good, but he's not going to beat the best out there right now. I definitely think that if he were to fight Mayweather again he would lose again. Cotto would beat him, as would anyone else. I can't see him beating Pacquiao. He just doesn't have the boxing skill to pull that off, and Pacquiao is sooo fast. I would be shocked if Mayweather Sr really changed Hatton that much so that he uses his jab and head movement for more than 4 rounds.
Collazo is one of teh top guys at 147, realisticly only Mosley and Cotto are genuinely above Collazo's level, though you could make an arguement for Clottey aswell. Hatton beat Collazo far more convincingly than Berto (the future of 147) did. Judah would struggle to beat an Egg at this point in his career and frankly i doubt he fights at the top level again.
His comeback fight was against lazcano and he won the fight 12-0/12-0/10-2. So i think he would take looking that shit against any fighter in the world.
Malinaggi is feather fisted, but he is also very skillful and more elusive than pacquiao is, hatton had no trouble finding malinaggi and he will have less trouble finding pac.
pac is not a defencive genius that PBF is, compairing the two is pointless.
PBF @147 is a mile ahead of pac @140 and Hatton is better @140 than 147.
As for him not being one of teh best, he's been ranked top 10 p4p for the last 5 years, thats one of teh best in anyone's books, just because his style isn't pretty to watch doesn't mean it's not very very effective as 4 of Castillio's ribs can tell.
For me this is a pickem fight but for one thing, the one thing you didn't mention which tells me you're not much of a student of the sport.
Hatton struggles against southpaws, if pac is smart as i know he is and doesn't get macho he wins a UD 2-3 rounds.
If he tries to brawl or stand toe to toe with hatton he removes the advantages he has and plays in hattons world where hattons natural size, strength, bigger punch power and punch resistance will mean pac is in for a long and brutal evening ending with a Hatton UD.
Tzsyu @140 is significantly better than Pac @140 and hatton for that matter, But hatton forced tzsyu to fight in HIS world and he won, if he does the same to pac, he wins, if pac stays outside and uses he southpaw advantages and his superior handspeed and timing he wins.
Good point, I forgot to add the southpaw aspect in.
And your right, I'm not a student of the sport, I just played Fight Night Round 3 a few times and I think I know everything. Never once stepped in the ring in my life or been to any fights either. Absolutely right. I should probably just delete my account.
Personally I'd take Naseem Richardson over all these clown with big names.
If you want a good game plan from a trainer who studies your opponent, he is the guy.
I think Roach and Mayweather study their opponents as well. Naseem is an incredible trainer, but don't forget. His 2 most recent victories have been with Hopkins and Mosley- 2 incredible boxers who fought fighters who come STRAIGHT FORWARD. I'd like to see his game plans against boxers who are a little slicker. Still, he is one of the best.
We all know that marg has a good chin, and all the shots he took from cotto says that he can take a punch...but if you can defend and throw shots as well like marg did and keep cotto fighting backing up then you cut down on those power shots he throw because fighting off your back foot and going backwards, your not getting your full weight behind your shots...for the first time i seen clottey back judah up and he didn,t like it at all...if he can bring the same performance with cotto i see him really beating him up pretty bad...i know a lot of cotto fans says no way but clottey is a big w.w. And i think his coming out party will be against cotto if he got the balls to take the fight...something tells me cotto bitches out...if he takes the fight he will surely lose ...he not that great of a boxer...neither is clottey but clottey will impose his will on cotto and by him being broken down before makes it easier for him to quit again...thoughts???
Yea he got the blueprint, load your gloves with plaster and you can beat cotto. It's a wrap on Cotto's career for sure.
Looks like the exact wrap that he had in the cotto fight. But who knows, can anyone confirm that its the one that was confiscated?
Also, did anyone think that maybe they started padding his hands AFTER the Williams loss?
It will be tough to stop Clottey. I'd be very happy with just a clear UD, but a stoppage would be incredible. Sugar Shane told a friend of mine that he might end up fighting Clottey sometime soon as well, though. We'll see what happens if and when what fights are made. I still think Cotto will make any n*gga gag on his dick, sonnnnnn!
Why so many people feel that Cotto has a suspect chin?
The few times he was hurt came when he was over training and draining hisself to make the 140lb limit. If you know anything about boxing weight drain and over training makes the body weak and yes that means your chin also!!!!!!
Zab Judah: This is the first fight he was STUNNED not hurt (there is a big differance. Chop Chop and Torres hurt him) he recovered very very quickly. We must not forget that Judah can crack and Judah caught Cotto flush with the counter straight and left uppercut. Cotto was STUNNED twice but ate the other few and spit it back out!!!
Shan Mosley: Cotto was eating right hands all night long and was never Staggered or hurt in the fight but Margarito was eating those same right in less rounds than Cotto and we all no what happened in that fight!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't want to hear that crap about he was hurt in the late rounds. I have the fight on tape and watched it over 20 times. Cotto knew he counldn't stop Shan plus he thought he had the fight in the bag so he decided the out box Shan for the remainder of the fight which was almost a mistake.
Margarito: Cotto was weaken to the body first before he was hurt to the chin. Plus even though not proven but we all (well most of us) feel that Margarito cheated in that fight and I don't care who you are if you get hit enough time with plaster you will go down. But even if Margarito didn't cheat in that fight, it still took him over 600 punch before Cotto took a knee. He never Knocked Cotto on his ass or even out. Cotto took a knee because he was hurt and tired!!!!!!!
So for anyone to question Cotto chin is crazy.:boxing:
Absolutely true man. Weight-drained, Cotto's chin isn't that great. But at 147 Cotto has a solid chin. I'm glad you mentioned that Mosley-Cotto fight. I just watched it recently and I noticed all the over-hand rights that Cotto was hit by in that fight- the SAME punches that did Margarito in over the course of 9 rounds. Good post.
heavy bag ... but i wanna invest in something like this
http://www.mykaratestore.com/store/images/century-heavy-bag-stand.jpg
they any good!?
It's alright. But you can't move around the heavy bag like you should. I don't have a bag anymore since I have no place to put it, but I belong to a boxing gym (and that's a boxing gym, not a lame gym with meat-head weight lifters and 1 heavybag).
It will be good if you are interested in just throwing punches to get in shape. But you won't learn any technique. And remember one thing, boys: Heavy bags don't hit back.
At first I was a little skeptical of him overall, he had some exciting fights i always kept my eyes on him as we was coming up... Then the Zab fight broke out, and I gave Zab a damn good chance, (just like every other fight hes in, FAIL)and Cotto surprised me on that, and the Mosley fight... The way that he could keep up with two really fast fighters... faster then him... but seemed to fight back very well with timing the faster fighter and putting pressure on... I suppose we see how good Mosley really is, the fact that Cotto could go tit for tat with him, speaks A LOT....
When he lost to Margarito, a lot of people automatically jumped on the "he quit" "he gave up" bandwagon and I always felt that was bullshit... you could see the look in his face, a look youve never seen from him ever before... it seemed like he was taken beyond deep waters, but was practically drowned... I don't look at him as a quitter, I think he was just beaten down to the point he couldnt even defend himself... there was nothing he could do, I think he took his body as far as he could and there was nothing left to give... ive felt that way from the moment I saw him take those knees... Margarito took everytihng out of him... and he chose to take his knee instead of getting permanently damaged.
The way Cintron went down and the way Cotto went down is an incredible difference... My respect for Cotto doubled in the Margarito fight... and the way he seemingly never talks to much trash and always seems to stay focused on topic, He's turned into a real classy fighter that Ive grown to like a lot.
Much Luck this saturday to him...:fing02:
True story man. I honestly can't see why anyone WOULDN'T like him. All his fights are exciting, he works hard, very humble and doesn't talk shit or make excuses. He's a class act.
D) Media created hype job that was exposed when he finally stepped up and faced a real Welterweight.
KingChile, the stupidity you continue to display on these forums is staggering.
It would be sick if Miguel Cotto had a show where he went to the homes of all the online-trash-talkers and gives them a left hook-right hand combination.
He could call it "Miguel Cotto's Cold-Cockin' C*nt's Show"
yeah power and finesse
squats, deadlifts, clean & presses, pull ups, dips, ab exercises. bench pressing aint gonna help u for shit. throw on lots of muscle and u will most likely be as slow as shit. i'd recommend light weight with high (15-20) repetitions. work the bag, run, jump rope, spar when you can. not against anyone good or u will get hurt. good luck.
(btw this belongs in training and nutrition)
Same here, I never badmouthed Cotto. It's his fans that irritate me. Especially the ones that can't accept that Margarito defeated Cotto fair and square.
Nuthugging fans are annoying yes, but c'mon man. Margarito didn't play fair. I think YOU need to accept that.
Mayweather, but they are two completely different forms of defense. Wright's is perhaps somewhat more surprising in that he is able to come forward continuously yet defend so completely simply by covering up right in front of the opponent, although at the cost of not being able to commit fully to shots. Very basic, but he has perhaps mastered it like no other fighter.
Very true. PBF has a very east-coast fighter type of defense: rolling/turning with punches and countering with hooks and uppercuts. He uses it very effectively and its really cool to watch.
Winky, on the other hand, just covers up. The guys forearms are ridiculously long which allows him to block his whole body when he does that. It's not nearly as pretty as PBF's defense and it can also give him the appearance that he is getting hit a little bit. I expect that style to be VERY useful against Paul Williams, who can throw lots of punches from long range.
Maybe cut his knuckle during the fight and it bled through the wrap? Maybe its plaster of paris? Maybe the bloody piece they found saturday night was from a recent sparing session? Could be anything.
http://www.boxinggyms.com/addresses/newyork.htm
I was goin to a gym out in Freeport-Long Island,NY. Plan to start goin bac out there soon. Its mainly a gym for teens and youngins tho. Bout 25-30 mins from Rosedale Queens, NY(don't kno wat part of NYC ur from).
Thats the site I used to find 2 gyms so far. I live in Queens so I used to go to Envy Us Boxing and Fitness in Whitestone, but they closed down over some steriod scandal BS. Sucked so much man I loved that gym! I get so sad when I think about it. Only paid $33 a month. I found another gym in Ridgewood but they charge $50 a month and I never found any sparing there which sucked and I couldn't use the weights at all, otherwise I'd have to spend like another $30. I'm gonna start looking for another one soon.
There are tons in Manhattan, some are really expensive though. But if you can, I'd join a PAL. They are definitely the cheapest and you can get a really good workout and sparring. Definitely look at that website.
Gleasons is damn expensive. To pay for a trainer is almost like paying rent. You might as well go to a PAL or local gym and get noticed in sparring and get a trainer that way.
I agree. I mean if you're just starting out you got a LOT to learn and if you were to go right in and spar its very likely you will get hurt. I mean, if you got the money and want to learn some stuff, go for it. Personally I don't have money and time to spare on that BS with all the expenses I already have. I can go into a gym and throw some straight punches. I'd rather train by myself and get to spar a little bit than pay a trainer obscene amounts of money.
At my old gym I just worked out on my own, this old guy would show me some stuff while he was working out too, and then I would just randomly spar with people that were in the gym. That's when the trainer would tell me what I was doing wrong and I'd do my best to work on it on my own. The new gym I went to sucked a lot. No one was there except weight lifters. When I would try and go in the ring with one of my buddies they used to yell at us every time and say we couldn't spar unless a trainer was around (there was never a trainer around when I went either). That would piss me off so much. It's hard to find a good gym man...
I just spoke to my sister's boyfriend who works for the Justice Department in California. He said that they are in the preliminary stages of forming a commitee to investigate the Margarito v. Mosley fight. Apparently, an overwhelming amount of the pre-fight action was put on Mosley. He said that these 'smart money' wagers are common, although two factors have piqued the Justice Department's interest.
First, the amount of the wagers placed on Mosley was in great dispaity to the number of them. He said when alot of small wagers are made immediately prior to the fight they can be more easily dismissed as 'smart money' than a handful of very large ones. On Saturday, six separate Las Vegas casinos took wagers on Mosley at approximately 7:26 PST (right before the fight) totaling more than two million dollars.
Second, the FBI in Southern California has been investigating for some time the Arellano Drug Cartel's dealings with a number of athletic events, including boxing. The Arellano family has apparently kidnapped and held at ransom the wife or children of certain fighters in an effort to get that fighter to fix the fight. A former member of Margarito's management named Roberto Ramos is currently under investigation for being associated with the Arellano cartel.
Is it possible that Margarito threw the fight? I'm sure we'll being hearing more about this.
Yea, and I'm absolutely sure we WON'T be hearing more about this bullshit. Margarito took too many punches to the head and was thus KO'd. No fixing, no steriods, no excuse, no bullshit.
I have never seen a boxing gym that looks like a gym from the outside.
Union City Boxing in NJ is in the back of a police station, next to Public Works.
Hey I think I've been there a few times with my uncle! They told me to come by more often so that I can spar but its so damned far from Queens that I can't make the drive out there very often. Sucks, as it is very cheap and you can get a great workout.
I don't think its a lock. But Cotto already knew what he had to do to win BEFORE he saw the Mosley fight. Now its even more obvious. Cotto is going in there to avenge his loss. His legs will be great as he said he's gonna work on them, he's gonna have a great gameplan and Margarito will have the same "come forward, blocking with my chin" style which has worked really well for him up until now. I also think there are 2 huge factors that MAY or MAY NOT come into play in the rematch.
1. Margarito has taken a LOT of damage from a whole host of different fighters throughout his career, especially from Cotto and Mosley who have landed some of the biggest shots flush on his chin. The damage might finally be catching up with him. The way he was really hurt and knocked out against Mosely was devastating. You know his brain was rocked a lot for that to happen. It seems like that might be the case, and if so he can be more prone to being knocked out in the future.
2. If he was, infact, wrapping his hands illegally then its over. He won't inflict as much damage on Cotto over course of the fight and he won't cut his whole face up like last time. That's a big IF, though. We'll see how it plays out, and if he is actually guilty of it, we may not even see a rematch!
I can see why ud say that but i think for Cotto's state of mind and in the long run his legay he should fight him again and put the hurts on the big bitch!
True words. I would rather see him give Berto a whoopin so he has 2 titles when he fights Shane (who will also have 2 titles when he beats Clottey), but Cotto wants to avenge that loss, I respect him for that. I think hes gonna put the hurt on Margarito too.