We all know that marg has a good chin, and all the shots he took from cotto says that he can take a punch...but if you can defend and throw shots as well like marg did and keep cotto fighting backing up then you cut down on those power shots he throw because fighting off your back foot and going backwards, your not getting your full weight behind your shots...for the first time i seen clottey back judah up and he didn,t like it at all...if he can bring the same performance with cotto i see him really beating him up pretty bad...i know a lot of cotto fans says no way but clottey is a big w.w. And i think his coming out party will be against cotto if he got the balls to take the fight...something tells me cotto bitches out...if he takes the fight he will surely lose ...he not that great of a boxer...neither is clottey but clottey will impose his will on cotto and by him being broken down before makes it easier for him to quit again...thoughts???
Margarito didn't lay down any real blueprint to beat Cotto. Nothing of use to the rest of the welterweight division.
What you need to be in order to pull off what Margarito did A) be stronger then Cotto (how many welters can you say are stronger then Miguel right now) and B) be have a rock solid chin.
And C) maybe just maybe have some illegal padding in your gloves to make your punches harder. We don't know for sure what happened now do we? Margarito wasn't throwing any hayemakers in there that I saw, so whatever arm punches he was landing, they seemed to have a big impact.
So if you don't have A, B, and C , chances are you're never gonna make Miguel get on his toes for the majority of rounds and spend up the kind of energy he did in that fight. Mosley was the other guy who made Miguel dance for a few rounds but Cotto was still effectively counter punching in some of those rounds.
COTTO IS TOUGH TO BEAT.
a f*ckin men LOL
margarito didn't lay down any real blueprint to beat cotto. Nothing of use to the rest of the welterweight division.
What you need to be in order to pull off what margarito did a) be stronger then cotto (how many welters can you say are stronger then miguel right now) and b) be have a rock solid chin.
And c) maybe just maybe have some illegal padding in your gloves to make your punches harder. We don't know for sure what happened now do we? Margarito wasn't throwing any hayemakers in there that i saw, so whatever arm punches he was landing, they seemed to have a big impact.
So if you don't have a, b, and c , chances are you're never gonna make miguel get on his toes for the majority of rounds and spend up the kind of energy he did in that fight. Mosley was the other guy who made miguel dance for a few rounds but cotto was still effectively counter punching in some of those rounds.
Cotto is tough to beat.
thatss righttt!!!!
if any other welterweight comes with the gameplan marg came with for the first 6 rounds(taking punches by the bunches to your face), cotto would end up winning the fight most likely by ko. only marg had the chin to execute that gameplan.
And it was an awful gameplan. Clottey is a lot more measured even when he pressures. Marg just comes with reckless abandon.
it was a horrible game plan even if it was workin in the beginning.
all cotto's punches he was steppin away or countering while as shane was comin at margarito when he was throwin his punches.
cotto outlanded margarito in 8 rounds of the fight
Margarito didn't lay down any real blueprint to beat Cotto. Nothing of use to the rest of the welterweight division.
What you need to be in order to pull off what Margarito did A) be stronger then Cotto (how many welters can you say are stronger then Miguel right now) and B) be have a rock solid chin.
And C) maybe just maybe have some illegal padding in your gloves to make your punches harder. We don't know for sure what happened now do we? Margarito wasn't throwing any hayemakers in there that I saw, so whatever arm punches he was landing, they seemed to have a big impact.
So if you don't have A, B, and C , chances are you're never gonna make Miguel get on his toes for the majority of rounds and spend up the kind of energy he did in that fight. Mosley was the other guy who made Miguel dance for a few rounds but Cotto was still effectively counter punching in some of those rounds.
COTTO IS TOUGH TO BEAT.
But can't substitute Marg's workrate and pressure with anything...
A blueprint doesn't mean shit if the next opponent can't implement it....
Clottey is smarter than Margarito in the skills department though.
Well for one.. Margarito most likely used his illegal hand wraps against Cotto. And 2 he brought ALOT of pressure.. Clottey does apply SOME pressure but nothing like the pressure that Margarito applies. Also Clottey does tend to tire out in the 2nd half of fights. But don't get me wrong.. Clottey is no pushover at all and does have the potential to beat Cotto. I have Cotto winning a decision but I would not be shocked to see Clottey beat him. It wouldn't be an upset in my eyes.
To be fair Margarito seemed to have the tools to beat cotto, pressur, excellent stamina, chin. the only thing in doubt was his power, so its really up for debate, Imo a rematch must take place for both to prove who is better. If Margarito ever gets back.
who knows if cotto will fight margo?
Clottey ain't as active or as reckless as Marg. he does need to go forward all nite and and attack at close range, but he won't just try to walk thru shots like Marg did.
I cannot really comment on the Margarito win anymore... I lost all trust in him since the illegal wraps speculation, I mean... why would he use them against Mosley and not Cotto? I just can't credit or discredit the win anymore because nobody will ever know if he used them or not.
Hahahaha, funny thread. Even if you don't believe that Margarito had loaded gloves you still gotta say that his method was not a damn blue print on how to beat Cotto. ROFL, seriously eat a ton of shots the first six rounds and then come on strong in the second half? Or Block with your face so that Cotto doesn't hit your body.
no other boxer can fight like margarito, period.
Exactly what I was going to say. Mosley applied pressure toward the later part of the fight that had Cotto backing up but it didn't quite work out the same.
i don't understand what fight most people were watchin margarito did not make cotto do anything margarito doesn't even know how to cut off the ring cotto himself would back peddle to the ropes and wait for margarito counter off of some of margarito's punches now move away and back peddle to the other rope and wait for margarito again and he reapeted this from rounds 3-11
And it was an awful gameplan. Clottey is a lot more measured even when he pressures. Marg just comes with reckless abandon.
We all know that marg has a good chin, and all the shots he took from cotto says that he can take a punch...but if you can defend and throw shots as well like marg did and keep cotto fighting backing up then you cut down on those power shots he throw because fighting off your back foot and going backwards, your not getting your full weight behind your shots...for the first time i seen clottey back judah up and he didn,t like it at all...if he can bring the same performance with cotto i see him really beating him up pretty bad...i know a lot of cotto fans says no way but clottey is a big w.w. And i think his coming out party will be against cotto if he got the balls to take the fight...something tells me cotto bitches out...if he takes the fight he will surely lose ...he not that great of a boxer...neither is clottey but clottey will impose his will on cotto and by him being broken down before makes it easier for him to quit again...thoughts???
i don't understand what fight most people were watchin margarito did not make cotto do anything margarito doesn't even know how to cut off the ring cotto himself would back peddle to the ropes and wait for margarito counter off of some of margarito's punches now move away and back peddle to the other rope and wait for margarito again and he reapeted this from rounds 3-11
Yea he got the blueprint, load your gloves with plaster and you can beat cotto. It's a wrap on Cotto's career for sure.
There is a good possibility that Margarito cheated against Cotto, but we don't know for sure. Be that as it may Cotto likes to fight at his own pace, and if he is made to do more than he would like to he tires. Margarito only has two weapons a concrete chin, and increadible workrate. It was clear that Cotto was a better boxer by leaps and bounds, but he just obliged to Margaritos game, and it cost him. Clotty does not fight throwing 100 punches a round, and unlike Margarito he defends his head, which will give Cotto an opening to attack the body he was denied in the Margarito fight. be that as it may I think the key to this fight will be the left uppercut, and Cotto does not like those too much. Its going to be a very close rough and tumble fight, but I see Clotty taking it based on the sole fact that he is ****ing huge, and is probably the better of the two. But if Cotto is not slightly damaged from his brutal war with Margarito expect him to take a SD.
We all know that marg has a good chin, and all the shots he took from cotto says that he can take a punch...but if you can defend and throw shots as well like marg did and keep cotto fighting backing up then you cut down on those power shots he throw because fighting off your back foot and going backwards, your not getting your full weight behind your shots...for the first time i seen clottey back judah up and he didn,t like it at all...if he can bring the same performance with cotto i see him really beating him up pretty bad...i know a lot of cotto fans says no way but clottey is a big w.w. And i think his coming out party will be against cotto if he got the balls to take the fight...something tells me cotto bitches out...if he takes the fight he will surely lose ...he not that great of a boxer...neither is clottey but clottey will impose his will on cotto and by him being broken down before makes it easier for him to quit again...thoughts???
Yea he got the blueprint, load your gloves with plaster and you can beat cotto. It's a wrap on Cotto's career for sure.
he sure did. 1.load your gloves with illegal substances 2. Eat tons of punches 3. Hit Cotto with said loaded gloves until he's had enough.
Yup. Not many people can take that many shots and keep coming. Margarito has a very good chin.