Why so many people feel that Cotto has a suspect chin?
The few times he was hurt came when he was over training and draining hisself to make the 140lb limit. If you know anything about boxing weight drain and over training makes the body weak and yes that means your chin also!!!!!!
Zab Judah: This is the first fight he was STUNNED not hurt (there is a big differance. Chop Chop and Torres hurt him) he recovered very very quickly. We must not forget that Judah can crack and Judah caught Cotto flush with the counter straight and left uppercut. Cotto was STUNNED twice but ate the other few and spit it back out!!!
Shan Mosley: Cotto was eating right hands all night long and was never Staggered or hurt in the fight but Margarito was eating those same right in less rounds than Cotto and we all no what happened in that fight!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't want to hear that crap about he was hurt in the late rounds. I have the fight on tape and watched it over 20 times. Cotto knew he counldn't stop Shan plus he thought he had the fight in the bag so he decided the out box Shan for the remainder of the fight which was almost a mistake.
Margarito: Cotto was weaken to the body first before he was hurt to the chin. Plus even though not proven but we all (well most of us) feel that Margarito cheated in that fight and I don't care who you are if you get hit enough time with plaster you will go down. But even if Margarito didn't cheat in that fight, it still took him over 600 punch before Cotto took a knee. He never Knocked Cotto on his ass or even out. Cotto took a knee because he was hurt and tired!!!!!!!
So for anyone to question Cotto chin is crazy.:boxing:
Lmao!!!!!!!!! Yall fools are funny!!!
I bring this thread up again because people are now saying PAC man ko Cotto! LOL! If bigger punchers in mosley, Clottey, Magerito(with bricks) and Zab Judah couldn't put Cotto to sleep, what make you think a smaller puncher in PAC man will? Man, yall fools are funny!!!!!
I think he has a weak chin in the sense if you can consistantly tap it, he'll go down. He's not a guy who can take consistant punishment. You keep hand's on Miguel, and he'll buckle.
Thats the point, he continue to get hit on the button but NEVER gets KNOCKED OUT or KNOCKED DOWN!!!!!!! He has only been knocked down once in his career and even then he was pushed down.
cosign.....exactly what i was gonna say. if cotto has any flaws, its his defense, he takes too many shots.....but the fans like that right?
he has a good chin tho.....its gotten him this far....
Cotto D is getting better and better with each fight
yea, that's what i mean.
what i was saying is that margarito had a great chin, but he fought mosley, a guy who has VERY underrated power, and who also came in with a gameplan, and was much quicker than margarito.
my point about cotto, is that he has a GREAT ability to take a punch, but the problem is, he takes too many.....sooner or later he's going to battle somebody who's able to stand up to his shit, and dish it out in return. so yea, while he can take punches, the fact he takes so many during fights, leaves him in danger of getting hurt every fight too......
his chin is not the problem.....his defense is. you can only go so long, riding on your ability to take punches instead of your ability to good enough on defense to not get hit. personally, i think great defense trumps a great chin.
Mosley power is nowhere near underrated but I understand where you are coming from
He doesn't have a world class chin but it is very respectable.
Who do you consider to have a world class chin? Cotto took the same right hand that Margarito took and he last all 12 rounds.
But that is related to anybody. That statment is universal.
yea, that's what i mean.
what i was saying is that margarito had a great chin, but he fought mosley, a guy who has VERY underrated power, and who also came in with a gameplan, and was much quicker than margarito.
my point about cotto, is that he has a GREAT ability to take a punch, but the problem is, he takes too many.....sooner or later he's going to battle somebody who's able to stand up to his shit, and dish it out in return. so yea, while he can take punches, the fact he takes so many during fights, leaves him in danger of getting hurt every fight too......
his chin is not the problem.....his defense is. you can only go so long, riding on your ability to take punches instead of your ability to good enough on defense to not get hit. personally, i think great defense trumps a great chin.
a "chin" is relative anyway......
all it takes is the right fighter w/ the right gameplan. we all said margarito had a GREAT chin before he fought mosley. IMO, the more pressing questions about cotto are relative to his defense. he takes too many shots! if the question relates to his ability to do that, then there's no argument: cotto's ability to take some hard shit is quite impressive! but until he corrects the flaws in his defense, the possibility remains for him to get KO'ed when he fights anybody who throws hard shit, and can stand up to cotto's punches in return. as i said before.....sooner or later.....
But that is related to anybody. That statment is universal.
a "chin" is relative anyway......
all it takes is the right fighter w/ the right gameplan. we all said margarito had a GREAT chin before he fought mosley. IMO, the more pressing questions about cotto are relative to his defense. he takes too many shots! if the question relates to his ability to do that, then there's no argument: cotto's ability to take some hard shit is quite impressive! but until he corrects the flaws in his defense, the possibility remains for him to get KO'ed when he fights anybody who throws hard shit, and can stand up to cotto's punches in return. as i said before.....sooner or later.....
We talk about his chin because he's always getting hit.
Cotto has so many gaping holes in his defense that his chin will ALWAYS be there to be tested..and called into question.
You only here talk about CHINS when the subject is a guy that gets hit a LOT.
Floyd has a good chin..but people seldom mention it.
Wonder why??
Maybe because he doesn't get walked into the same donkey-ass punches over and over again...like Cotto.
Ali had a damn good chin..but that's not the first thing people think about when they hear his name.
cosign.....exactly what i was gonna say. if cotto has any flaws, its his defense, he takes too many shots.....but the fans like that right?
he has a good chin tho.....its gotten him this far....
You act as if what I said was an insult.
What's the next step above slightly above average...very above average? You feel like Cotto has a very above average chin?
I'm a huge Cotto fan, but I'm just being real. We've seen him badly rocked twice (Corley and Torres). And granted those both happened at 140, but still, do you get that feeling that "oh Cotto won't get knocked out."
Even after what Shane did to Tony, I feel like that was an aberration. If Cotto got KO'd I wouldn't be shocked. His chin is fine, it's not something to worry about, he proved that in the Shane and Tony fights. But it sure as shit aint granite. Hence, slightly above average...like a B-/B type chin.
oh ok. I though you were saying that basiclly his chin is nothing to brag about.
I've always said Cotto's chin is underrated.
He's taken some heavy shots from guys like Mosley, Zab, Torres, and Margarito who all punch hard and even in the Margarito fight he fought all the way to the 11th rd and took a knee (Plaster or Not).
I think it's just the way Cotto's been phased in the past (Chop Chop and Torres mainly) that gives people the notion that he's got a shaky chin.
Now obviously he doesn't have a monstrous beard, but he can take a lickin and still fight.
Why so many people feel that Cotto has a suspect chin?
The few times he was hurt came when he was over training and draining hisself to make the 140lb limit. If you know anything about boxing weight drain and over training makes the body weak and yes that means your chin also!!!!!!
Zab Judah: This is the first fight he was STUNNED not hurt (there is a big differance. Chop Chop and Torres hurt him) he recovered very very quickly. We must not forget that Judah can crack and Judah caught Cotto flush with the counter straight and left uppercut. Cotto was STUNNED twice but ate the other few and spit it back out!!!
Shan Mosley: Cotto was eating right hands all night long and was never Staggered or hurt in the fight but Margarito was eating those same right in less rounds than Cotto and we all no what happened in that fight!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't want to hear that crap about he was hurt in the late rounds. I have the fight on tape and watched it over 20 times. Cotto knew he counldn't stop Shan plus he thought he had the fight in the bag so he decided the out box Shan for the remainder of the fight which was almost a mistake.
Margarito: Cotto was weaken to the body first before he was hurt to the chin. Plus even though not proven but we all (well most of us) feel that Margarito cheated in that fight and I don't care who you are if you get hit enough time with plaster you will go down. But even if Margarito didn't cheat in that fight, it still took him over 600 punch before Cotto took a knee. He never Knocked Cotto on his ass or even out. Cotto took a knee because he was hurt and tired!!!!!!!
So for anyone to question Cotto chin is crazy.:boxing:
Absolutely true man. Weight-drained, Cotto's chin isn't that great. But at 147 Cotto has a solid chin. I'm glad you mentioned that Mosley-Cotto fight. I just watched it recently and I noticed all the over-hand rights that Cotto was hit by in that fight- the SAME punches that did Margarito in over the course of 9 rounds. Good post.
Why do you say slightly when it took 600 punch with bricks in his to make him take a knee and he took right hand all night from the same man Margarito took right hand from and one got ko'd and the other went 12rds!
You act as if what I said was an insult.
What's the next step above slightly above average...very above average? You feel like Cotto has a very above average chin?
I'm a huge Cotto fan, but I'm just being real. We've seen him badly rocked twice (Corley and Torres). And granted those both happened at 140, but still, do you get that feeling that "oh Cotto won't get knocked out."
Even after what Shane did to Tony, I feel like that was an aberration. If Cotto got KO'd I wouldn't be shocked. His chin is fine, it's not something to worry about, he proved that in the Shane and Tony fights. But it sure as shit aint granite. Hence, slightly above average...like a B-/B type chin.