?
Toney made his pro debut at 165 and Won cruiser (175-190) from jirov at
190 so its a 25 lb jump.
Tommy hearns started at 147 and won cruiser (IBO) under 190 at 189 so thats 33 lbs
RJJ started at 157 and won Hw (190+) at 189 thats 32
maybe a better question? the biggest increase in weight during a fighters career from lightest to heaviest at ANY bout..
Maybe butterbean Eric Esch Fought at a svelt 300lbs and then tubbed up to a max of 417 1/2! a 117 1/2 lb gain!
He was a one man tag team!
ALI outsmarted George
George didn't jab against Ali cuz ALI just lay on the ropes and let George pound on him.
Short term result
was a win over an exhausted Foreman
Long term results
George makes $350 million on the Grilling machine and is a respected and loved American Icon and a household name.
Ali is.......a vegetable
Huh?
I'm surprised.
Thought this was an obvious question.
Larry Holmes's jab was in a different league than all the rest.
Super fast, accurate and punishing.
Really its all he had and a 1/2 decent right hand and he was the champ for a long time (48-0) so really thats all the proof you need IMO.
A guy I know fought Holmes and said the jab was like a 2x4 being jammed straight out at you and hitting you in the face end on.
I don't think anyone else's even comes close.
SO who has the NEXT best jab??
Here's one to add.. BIG George Foreman
Heaviest and hardest jab in the business and deceptively fast and quick.
LOTS of weight behind it that set you up for the big punches. It would punch through most gloves set up to block it.
Lewis's jab LOOKED excellent because he was a good technical fighter (like Klitschko) It looked great against Golota because Golota fought such a poor technical fight,laying off to his fight to get away from the Lewis jab and setting the side of his melon up for a right hand
Ali's jab was a flick, a reaching punch thrown off his left toe as he circled to the left. Don't forget Ali was a big HW at the time and weighed 216 1/2 against Foreman who was only 220 at the time.
Thats my thoughts.
ALI has TRAUMA INDUCED parkinsons TOTALLY different from what fox has.
It is the result of POOR decisions like fighting past his prime, being OUT OF SHAPE! and lazy laying on the ropes against big punchers. Don't forget ALI faded fast in his career.
He was only 32 when he fought Foreman and only 36 when he LOST to a fighter with only 6 professional fights! (Leon)
He was totally done by 1980 against Holmes when he was only 38!
Remember
AFTER the same age (38) Holmes had 25 MORE pro fights!!
Including wins over
Mercer,Ribalta,
and 12 round decision losses to Evander and Oliver McCall
Evander has had 12 fights past 38! and he's still going!
Foreman STARTED his comeback at age 38! and had 34 MORE fights after that!
Ali was a joke!
Ya ya..I suppose I'll be banned now! How dare I say anything negative about the "GREATEST"
Huh?
after his 3 HUGE ko losses I don't think there is ANYTHING he could realistically do to become a real P4P top ten.
Maybe because the HW div gets more ink, If he unified and then defended in devastating fashion say 5 times.
All time P4P list? To erase those losses?? I dunno...walk on water?
Ok, heres the actual results!
These have been determined by a cray 8000e_766 computer from the University of Washington and are therefore completely accurate
Vitali Klitschko
Vs...............................Outcome (what happens to Vitali)
Muhammed Ali .............................TKO
Joe Louis......................................KO
Mike Tyson...................................Death
Rocky Marciano.............................Painfull Death
Larry Holmes................................KO, starts wearing a dress
Sonny Liston................................KO, then has a sex change
Lennox Lewis.........Facial reconstruction surgury (Oh ya that happened!)
George Foreman.......................Remains in Fear induced Coma
Joe Frazier...............................Bob, weave, WACK, KO
Ken Norton...........................Vitali wets himself upon ring entrance
Evander Holyfield....................Beaten like a stubborn mule
George Chuvalo..................No outcome, Sorry George only fought men
Jack Johnson.............Vitali likes black men now! Does Jacks laundry
Makes sense!
Lets take a LOGICAL! look at this!
James Toney boxed as low as 157 in his early career and is now at 237 and in the top 10 Hw's in the world and getting title shots!
That PROVES! that a fighter can gain 80 lbs and still be a top fighter!
SO... If Manny Paquiao is now 130 80 lbs would put him at....
lets see 130 plus 80....uhmm..carry the one......210 lbs!
210! hmm ... still too light for Vitali Klitschko whos at say 245??
Well lets see...Has Brittally ever fought a guy that light before??
Hmm oh ya! Chris Byrd! what did he weigh???
Surprise surprise!! exactly 210!! that same as Manny's new goal weight!
Result!? OH ya!!!! TKO win for BYRD!!!
Conclusion? I pick Manny to win by KO or TKO!
But since he's much faster than Chris Byrd I'll say Klitschko gets stopped sooner. say round 4!
The height difference? might look something like this!!
http://www.fightnews.com/1photos/berlin_DKP2.jpg
TOP 500!? Heres the top 30.
1. W
2. L
3. A
4. D
5. I
6. M
7. I
8. R
9. V
10. L
11. O
12. D
13. Y
14. M
15. Y
16. R
17. O
18. V
19. Y
20. C
21. H
22. K
23. L
24. I
25. T
26. S
27. C
28. H
29. K
30. O
Wlad owns
Everyone here said that your just a Klitschko Ball-Licker...
BUT I SAID THAT THATS A FILTHY LIE!!
(Klitschko has no balls, as he showed in the Byrd fight!)
It's definatly Oscar dela HOMO!
He was bent over in the pics and wearing pink panties!
He takes it up the hoop! No doubt!
Ya... mexican fans love that! NOT!
He's gayer than Klitschkos boyfreind!
why/why not
Why? he has good speed and quick hands, decent conditioning.
well schooled and well skilled, adequate size to Ko any HW if he lands the right punch clean. Good punch output and a decent arsenal that doesn't fade in the late rounds. Vlad has the suspect chin and questionable heart, has shown that he can be KO'd by smaller men.
Why not? Too small to deal with really big skilled men. out reached. No big finishing punch to help him. would have to win by an accumulation of punches against a guy thats reasonable hard to hit. Wlad is too well skilled, trained, intelligent and trained to be beaten by a smaller and physically weaker man who doesn,t possess a big KO punch. All other things being equal ( and they kinda are) the differance is size, reach and power.
The advantages that he has against lesser fighters won't be of any avail against Wlad.
I think the best comparison is Wlad Vs Byrd where Wlad showed that he can deal with the best, most skilled small fighters in the world
Wlad by desision in a somewhat tenative fight
I don't like either one of them.
Lol
Finally a poster here I really like!!
I have a few i'd add but I've been banned from every other site already!
I voted Brittaly because it combines his most outstanding attributes.
A tender face with a tendancy to split.
A weak heart with a tendancy to crack under pressure
and of course the family heirloom he shares with Wlad, a glass jaw
Scared?
scared of what? that he might kill Vitali next time?
Klitschkos face looked like a family pack of ground beef!
They fought.
Lewis won (big time)
Its over.
quit crying.
Think about it!
MW 160
SMW 168 = +8
LHW 175 = +7 ?? huh? should be more!
CW 190 = +15
Hw is 190+
so a 190 lb guy can be forced to fight a 325lb guy! (Valuev!)
I think LHW should be higher and then reasonably the CW div should be higher also
say to 100 KG (220.5 lbs)
BUT! untill the BIG HWs at say 250+ DOMINATE the division there is no REASON to create a SHW div!
as long as the smaller guys can compete there is no NEED for a SHW div
but I do think that the CW div limit should be moved up.
(Oh ya and i would rename them reversing the CW and LHW names)
SAY
MW 160 (72.5 kg)
SMW 176.5 (80.0 kg) +16.5
CW 198.5 (90.0 kg) +22.0
LHW 220.5 (100 kg) +22.0
HW 100 kg+
This make sense to me!
What a list!
Is it just me?
the entire list is a pile of shite!
not one REAL fighter in the bunch!
Give me Valuev, a case of pepper spray and a dog shock collar, and I say in 4 months I have real HW champion!
So many holes in all these guys!
Must just be me! But damn! I say Buster Douglas in the Tyson fight beats all these guys with one hand! Never mind Holmes, Ibeabuchi , Mercer, and
(coughs up a little puke) Lennox Lewis.
Sure hoping SOMEBODY will come along to rescue the HW div and maybe boxing itself from obscurity!
Had hoped the freak Valuev was it!
No such luck............sigh....
Huh?
Obviously any one who would win as a coward is a ***.
But hey...what ever..its 2008.....
Any real man...that is one with 2 testicles...remember those things that hang down between your legs will realise that his is an OPEN OBVIOUS question. So sad that in this day and age people are too fukindumb to even see that. Any MAN who would talk about doing ANYTHING as a coward is no man at all. tsk tsk.
Winning in a sport with superior skill and mobility and movement and counterpuching is not being a coward. If you smash him in the face (and body) more than he did to you... you are no coward.. period...
BUT the thread was.. WIN LIKE A COWARD>> so in YOUR definition of a coward if you think thats ok.... your a ***.
What?
Judah was well paired against mayweather for say 4 or 6 rounds..
ANd PBF owned HAtton...not even in the same league.
Judah would realy show hatton up for what he is...a slowish banger.
It would be a BAD fight for HAtton...relegate him to the lower ranks of deluded english fans
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
he made more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ at HW in one fight that a whole career at LW.
its all f$cked up because of the $$$$
a few guys at mid make some real $$ other than that its all about the $$$ always has been.. cant blame him..
??
made millions as a good HW for what 4 years?
Should have stayed at LHW and ruled for 10 years? and made nothing?
Do you really have to ask this question? its almost to dumb to answer.
actually in kinda pissed off now.....wasted? Hw champion of the world?
Am i missing something here?
ok im an asshole go ahead and ban me