Heavyweight Unification Tournament

Did you honestly see the Peter fight? Wrestling someone and then rabbit punching them in the back of the head is not a legitimate knockdown. Funny how no one thinks Lennox Lewis' chin was "soft as butter" after being knocked out by McCall and Rahman. Both Wlad and Lennox adjusted the way they fought to compensate for less than granite chins. Everyone is beatable, but I won't bet any money against Wlad anytime soon.youll find that it was Wlad doing all the wrestling and hugging and turning away exposing the side of his head to the oncoming punches.

What a list! Is it just me? the entire list is a pile of shite! not one REAL fighter in the bunch! Give me Valuev, a case of pepper spray and a dog shock collar, and I say in 4 months I have real HW champion! So many holes in all these guys! Must just be me! But damn! I say Buster Douglas in the Tyson fight beats all these guys with one hand! Never mind Holmes, Ibeabuchi , Mercer, and (coughs up a little puke) Lennox Lewis. Sure hoping SOMEBODY will come along to rescue the HW div and maybe boxing itself from obscurity! Had hoped the freak Valuev was it! No such luck............sigh....

I respect your opinion and its backed up well,,,but from what Ive seen on television sander's punches look quicker and more powerful than chageav's. now if other boxers have stated otherwise then maybe looks are just deceiving on tv. yea,,,it doesnt bode well for sanders that he lost to rahman but he did drop him and hurt him badly before he gassed ( as usual) and rahman was at his best then and stated that sanders hit him the hardest he'd ever been hit. fwiw,, I agree with you on virchis. that guy has some enormously heavy hands. he literally just touches guys and puts them to sleep. Im very looking forward to hearing how he does with gomezfair enough my good man, I have no problem with your view. I trully want there to be a great heavyweight in this whole mess. Whether Klitschko does take them all out or someone obscure like Taras Bidenko conquers all I really don't care. Just give us a legitimate linear champion damnit. And if you want to drop some points on a little wager, hit me up.

Peter has never been as good as he was against Wlad in that fight. Not against Toney, not against McCline and not against J. Williams. That was by far the best we've seen of Peter.

But he didn't go down did he, and It doesn't matter unless the referee calls the foul, Peter had him hurt, and Peter was in horrible shape for that fight, imagine if a fit fighter with Peter's power fought him, itd be lights out for Wlad, who still doesn't have a chin uh,,peter tipped in at a solid 243 lbs for wlad the lightest he's been in years

your right, Chagaev doesn't have the sneaky power that Sanders does. He hits a hell of a lot harder. Lets see about Sanders' awesome power; he went toe to toe with notable steel-chinned pugilist Hasim Rahman. Corrie can hit, but isn't a power-house. As for Chagaev, I have seen him in the gym and talked to several fighters who have sparred him at one time or another and the consesus is that they have NEVER been hit harder in their lives. Sure Chagaev hasn't laid out his recent opponents, but only one man has KO'd Ruiz (which as we all know was the highlight of his career, thank you Tua) Vladimir Virchis has a chin that had no problems eating Vitali's punches is the amatuers and sparring (due to his lack of defense) and Valuev, really do I need to explain his massive cranium? as for Chagaev's chin, Virchis is quite possibly the hardest punching heavyweight since Ernie Shavers (yes I include Tyson and Lewis in that group of guys who hit weaker than Virchis). even Vitali has stated that Virchis is the guy who hit him the hardest. This is about Virchis is his form is so bad he doesn't land his money punch as often, much like Shavers. Ok, my bad, back on point; Chagaev who is faster than Sanders and Wlad and has great power and wonderful counters, can starch Wlad or keep him off balance and out of rhythm. Chagaev's weakness is infighting, as is Wlad's, so therefore a wash (but thats why I think Povetkin beats Chagaev). Ibragimov will be kept at a distance against Wlad, don't really see him getting in. I have the utmost respect for Jeff and Chill and their ability to gameplan a fight, but I don't think Ibragimov can excute the perfect gameplan against Wlad. Chagaev with his boxing ability, power, chin and speed can beat Wlad. I respect your opinion and its backed up well,,,but from what Ive seen on television sander's punches look quicker and more powerful than chageav's. now if other boxers have stated otherwise then maybe looks are just deceiving on tv. yea,,,it doesnt bode well for sanders that he lost to rahman but he did drop him and hurt him badly before he gassed ( as usual) and rahman was at his best then and stated that sanders hit him the hardest he'd ever been hit. fwiw,, I agree with you on virchis. that guy has some enormously heavy hands. he literally just touches guys and puts them to sleep. Im very looking forward to hearing how he does with gomez

Did you honestly see the Peter fight? Wrestling someone and then rabbit punching them in the back of the head is not a legitimate knockdown. Funny how no one thinks Lennox Lewis' chin was "soft as butter" after being knocked out by McCall and Rahman. Both Wlad and Lennox adjusted the way they fought to compensate for less than granite chins. Everyone is beatable, but I won't bet any money against Wlad anytime soon. Klitschko has tasted canvas 15 times in his career and he hasn't even fought an elite fighter yet. he's very beatable.

Wlad is going to unify the belts soon, and NO ONE will stop him. who has Wlad beaten that would be considered a top notch fighter?

But he didn't go down did he, and It doesn't matter unless the referee calls the foul, Peter had him hurt, and Peter was in horrible shape for that fight, imagine if a fit fighter with Peter's power fought him, itd be lights out for Wlad, who still doesn't have a chin Wlad is going to unify the belts soon, and NO ONE will stop him.

Youre on some good crack. Or maby really drunk. way to make a very articulate point contrary to mine.

I agree with ortlroy, though I think Wlad has a better chance of overcoming the advatages Chagaev MAY have over himpoint taken. I still have my faith in Chagaev, but there are absolutely no certainties in this sport and Wlad is a skilled man. I just believe in Chagaev in that fight.

ummm...Sam Peter looked like his legs turned into jelly when Wlad nailed him in the 12th. And 2 of those KD's where hits behinde the head. Wlad= next undisputed HW Champ. But he didn't go down did he, and It doesn't matter unless the referee calls the foul, Peter had him hurt, and Peter was in horrible shape for that fight, imagine if a fit fighter with Peter's power fought him, itd be lights out for Wlad, who still doesn't have a chin

Virchis is quite possibly the hardest punching heavyweight since Ernie Shavers (yes I include Tyson and Lewis in that group of guys who hit weaker than Virchis). Wlad. Chagaev with his boxing ability, power, chin and speed can beat Wlad. Youre on some good crack. Or maby really drunk.

I agree with ortlroy, though I think Wlad has a better chance of overcoming the advatages Chagaev MAY have over him

obviously wlad isnt unbeatable but he's going to be very difficult to beat with his more cautious style. I havent seen anything from chageav that suggests he beats wlad. in fact I think sultan has as much a chance as scoring the upset. chageav and sultan dont have the same sneaky type power of a corrie sanders and wlad isnt going to load up on his right hands like he did in the sanders fight which made him an easy target for that straight left hand your right, Chagaev doesn't have the sneaky power that Sanders does. He hits a hell of a lot harder. Lets see about Sanders' awesome power; he went toe to toe with notable steel-chinned pugilist Hasim Rahman. Corrie can hit, but isn't a power-house. As for Chagaev, I have seen him in the gym and talked to several fighters who have sparred him at one time or another and the consesus is that they have NEVER been hit harder in their lives. Sure Chagaev hasn't laid out his recent opponents, but only one man has KO'd Ruiz (which as we all know was the highlight of his career, thank you Tua) Vladimir Virchis has a chin that had no problems eating Vitali's punches is the amatuers and sparring (due to his lack of defense) and Valuev, really do I need to explain his massive cranium? as for Chagaev's chin, Virchis is quite possibly the hardest punching heavyweight since Ernie Shavers (yes I include Tyson and Lewis in that group of guys who hit weaker than Virchis). even Vitali has stated that Virchis is the guy who hit him the hardest. This is about Virchis is his form is so bad he doesn't land his money punch as often, much like Shavers. Ok, my bad, back on point; Chagaev who is faster than Sanders and Wlad and has great power and wonderful counters, can starch Wlad or keep him off balance and out of rhythm. Chagaev's weakness is infighting, as is Wlad's, so therefore a wash (but thats why I think Povetkin beats Chagaev). Ibragimov will be kept at a distance against Wlad, don't really see him getting in. I have the utmost respect for Jeff and Chill and their ability to gameplan a fight, but I don't think Ibragimov can excute the perfect gameplan against Wlad. Chagaev with his boxing ability, power, chin and speed can beat Wlad.

ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders Did you honestly see the Peter fight? Wrestling someone and then rabbit punching them in the back of the head is not a legitimate knockdown. Funny how no one thinks Lennox Lewis' chin was "soft as butter" after being knocked out by McCall and Rahman. Both Wlad and Lennox adjusted the way they fought to compensate for less than granite chins. Everyone is beatable, but I won't bet any money against Wlad anytime soon.

ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders ummm...Sam Peter looked like his legs turned into jelly when Wlad nailed him in the 12th. And 2 of those KD's where hits behinde the head. Wlad= next undisputed HW Champ.

LOL!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: No one can beat Wlad right now! ummm...Sam Peter knocked him down three times, Wlads chin is still soft as butter, anyone with solid boxing technique (something Peter Lacked) and a strong punch would KO Wlad just ask Corrie Sanders

Really, are you sure? Like Louis was unstopable, like Liston couldn't possibly lose to a kid, Like Ali was going to embarrass Frazier in their first fight, like no one alive could defeat the clubbing Foreman, just like a light heavyweight like Spinks couldn't get past the jab of the undeafeated Holmes, like Douglas was nothing more than a tune-up for Tyson. Just like McCall was a stepping-stone for a Lewis/Tyson megafight, just like there was no way Tyson could lose to Holyfield. Do I need to keep going. Even when certain guys seem unbeatable, obviously it happens. Wlad has lost before, and can again; and will if he fights Chagaev. So I'm glad you are so confident in Wlad, but everyone is beatable. Wlad will turn him into a bloody mess. Wlad is too powerful right now. Im scared that Wlad could hurt someone real bad........

Really, are you sure? Like Louis was unstopable, like Liston couldn't possibly lose to a kid, Like Ali was going to embarrass Frazier in their first fight, like no one alive could defeat the clubbing Foreman, just like a light heavyweight like Spinks couldn't get past the jab of the undeafeated Holmes, like Douglas was nothing more than a tune-up for Tyson. Just like McCall was a stepping-stone for a Lewis/Tyson megafight, just like there was no way Tyson could lose to Holyfield. Do I need to keep going. Even when certain guys seem unbeatable, obviously it happens. Wlad has lost before, and can again; and will if he fights Chagaev. So I'm glad you are so confident in Wlad, but everyone is beatable. obviously wlad isnt unbeatable but he's going to be very difficult to beat with his more cautious style. I havent seen anything from chageav that suggests he beats wlad. in fact I think sultan has as much a chance as scoring the upset. chageav and sultan dont have the same sneaky type power of a corrie sanders and wlad isnt going to load up on his right hands like he did in the sanders fight which made him an easy target for that straight left hand