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toney didnt beaat ruiz, it was a no contest..... Dude Toney beat his ass badly. He used roids but he was still a 230 pound fatass. No doubt in my mind that Toney is better than Ruiz. http://www.boxen.com/upload/Ruiz_Toney.jpg http://www.hbo.com/boxing/img/events/2003/0301_ruiz_jones/482x246/action_03.jpg

You said no heavyweights but Chris Byrd's first fight was at 169 pounds and his highest weight was 222 pounds. That's a 53 pound difference.

Ruiz can beat almost any heavyweight today because he is better technically than most of them but he isn't a KO puncher and has trouble with better boxers. Nady didn't allow him to slug so he didn't have much of a chance. I think RJJ was favored to beat Ruiz if I remember correctly. The fact that Toney beat Ruiz too took a bit out of that achievement. toney didnt beaat ruiz, it was a no contest.....

Very nice! I didn't know he started that low. I assumed he started as a lightweight. he started low because he didnt have amatar and started boxing as small age.

Ruiz can beat almost any heavyweight today because he is better technically than most of them but he isn't a KO puncher and has trouble with better boxers. Nady didn't allow him to slug so he didn't have much of a chance. I think RJJ was favored to beat Ruiz if I remember correctly. The fact that Toney beat Ruiz too took a bit out of that achievement.

the biggest weight differential between starting weight class and the highest weight class a fighter has won a title in (excluding heavyweight, since there isn't a proper weight for heavyweights anyway)? I can think of James Toney off the top of my head, started at 160 and won a title at 200 from Vasily Jirov. Guillermo Jones started at 147, and was a serious contender in the cruiserweight division, but never got over the hump. Can anyone top James Toney's 40 point weight differential? Roy started at 154 and won 160 title when to HW so I think he is lower than James Toney and it part of his legacy too

now i remember jones fought as low as 153 thats 73lb lower than the biggest man he beat...........

LMAO! Oscar wishes he had boobs like that! he'd wrap em in fishnet!

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? Toney made his pro debut at 165 and Won cruiser (175-190) from jirov at 190 so its a 25 lb jump. Tommy hearns started at 147 and won cruiser (IBO) under 190 at 189 so thats 33 lbs RJJ started at 157 and won Hw (190+) at 189 thats 32 maybe a better question? the biggest increase in weight during a fighters career from lightest to heaviest at ANY bout.. Maybe butterbean Eric Esch Fought at a svelt 300lbs and then tubbed up to a max of 417 1/2! a 117 1/2 lb gain! He was a one man tag team!

Bob Fitzsimmons was a middleweight champ who won the heavyweight title but that was way back. The HW's were mostly 170 lbs. What about Pacquiao? He was a flyweight champ, in the future he could be a lightweight or even a light welterweight champion. DLH from SFW to MW. Duran was very light early on but won titles at LW, WW, LMW and MW. Jimmy Ellis started as a skinny MW and won the HW title during the 60's. Not that it has much to do with this thread but Dwight Qawi was 5'6 and fought as a light heavyweight, cruiserweight and a heavyweight. Won titles at LHW and CW.

The only reason I didn't include heavyweights is because it is impossible to accurately compare the Duran accomplishment to something like Jones beating Ruiz... What is the exact weight division for heavyweights? There is no definitive answer, so I left it out of the thread. Not a Jones hater by any means.

Roberto Duran. Starting weight: 118 Won WBC middleweight title from Iran Barkely in 1988. 42 pound difference. Very nice! I didn't know he started that low. I assumed he started as a lightweight.

roy started at 160 and beat a 230 pounder.......

really? according to boxrec he weighed 193. I know boxrec has some false info sometimes but where do you get your fight info might I ask. It was showed during the "Boxing Tale of Roy vs Ruiz" that he was weighed incorrectly and he was actually 201 pounds.

Roy weighed 201 when he beat Ruiz. He should be added to the thread because well, he beat a bigger guy than Toney did. really? according to boxrec he weighed 193. I know boxrec has some false info sometimes but where do you get your fight info might I ask.

Duran is a good candidate. Everyone is forgetting de la Hoya.

I dont consider Toney's win at 200+ to be legit because he was on roids. true true my friend

I dont consider Toney's win at 200+ to be legit because he was on roids.

the biggest weight differential between starting weight class and the highest weight class a fighter has won a title in (excluding heavyweight, since there isn't a proper weight for heavyweights anyway)? I can think of James Toney off the top of my head, started at 160 and won a title at 200 from Vasily Jirov. Guillermo Jones started at 147, and was a serious contender in the cruiserweight division, but never got over the hump. Can anyone top James Toney's 40 point weight differential? i honestly do not know.....