Should there be a Super Heavyweight Division?

There should be a super heavyweight division when there is a super heavyweight to rule it. In the past 10 or 20 years there hasn't been a champion so dominant that it makes the disparity in weight so great that another division is needed. 215 lb Holyfield took on guys who outweighed him by 30+ and the fights were competitive, Tyson before him took on very heavy guys and usually dominated them. No real need for a super heavy division in my estimation.

I think this thread is needed today. this fight is the reason I think a super heavyweight division is needed. I wouldn't even say that klitch is the better boxer than sultan but he dominated him as if it were just a sparring session for wlad.. this fight is the equivalent of a pavlik vs hatton. it wouldn't be fair to have that fight and it wouldn't be allowed so why is this fight allowed? I say heavyweight limit of 235 with a super heavyweight division.

hahaha bumping threads :banana: I'm not bumping threads jacka**. I never read that last reply and thought he made a really good valid point.

good point. hahaha bumping threads :banana:

Yeah Super Heavyweight would be perfect. That would stop 5-10..220 pound guys from fighting guys ...6-6...245 pounds. good point.

MW 160 SMW 168 = +8 LHW 175 = +7 ?? huh? should be more! CW 190 = +15 Hw is 190+ so a 190 lb guy can be forced to fight a 325lb guy! (Valuev!) I think LHW should be higher and then reasonably the CW div should be higher also say to 100 KG (220.5 lbs) BUT! untill the BIG HWs at say 250+ DOMINATE the division there is no REASON to create a SHW div! as long as the smaller guys can compete there is no NEED for a SHW div but I do think that the CW div limit should be moved up. (Oh ya and i would rename them reversing the CW and LHW names) SAY MW 160 (72.5 kg) SMW 176.5 (80.0 kg) +16.5 CW 198.5 (90.0 kg) +22.0 LHW 220.5 (100 kg) +22.0 HW 100 kg+ This make sense to me! Well though out, and I agree with most of this - ie. weights should be changed, widening LHW & Cruiser, but think that the names should stay the same, as it will create too much confusion. The Cruiserweights are really starting to mature as a division, & have a fair bit of depth these days. An extra 10 pounds or so gives them even more depth. As for a Super-Heavyweight division, there just isn't the talent to make a division, or the need that I can see. Chagaev beat Valuev in an entertaining fight, & Valuev's the best of the really big guys. He follows a long tradition - Dempsey hammering the likes of Willard, Firpo & Fulton; - Louis hammenng Buddy Baer - Max Baer hammering Prime Canera, etc. etc. etc.

No super heavyweight And back to the 6 oz gloves or at least back to 8oz gloves.

I get what your saying and you're right, I just don't think you can change it that easily, you can't have two heavyweight divisions, the heavyweight champion of the world is like the top thing in boxing and then placing another division above it would wwater down the mystique associated with it, its definitely something that deserves to be looked into though. 1k posts does my e-dick get any bigger now? thats true. this is the best point I've seen going against making of another division. so far I was leaning towards the creation of this division but now I'm back in between, with the argument of 'mystique'. I guess the super heavyweights would get that mystique which doesn't seem right. but as far as entertainment goes, I still think creating this division would improve the entertainment value.

why revise all the divisions? all the divisions are good the way they are. its just the heavyweight divison thats kinda screwed up to me. I get what your saying and you're right, I just don't think you can change it that easily, you can't have two heavyweight divisions, the heavyweight champion of the world is like the top thing in boxing and then placing another division above it would wwater down the mystique associated with it, its definitely something that deserves to be looked into though. 1k posts does my e-dick get any bigger now?

Still seems pretty pointless, you're still pretty much adding a division because 1 or 2 fighters are heavier than the rest. It would completely ruin the HW division.

Heavyweight division is NOT screwed up. Sultan Ibragimov is 220 and he beat the 280 pound Briggs. There comes a point when all that extra-weight will work against you.

If your going to start adding or taking away divisions then surely the best thing to do would make a complete revision of every weight division, but its not going to happen I don't think. why revise all the divisions? all the divisions are good the way they are. its just the heavyweight divison thats kinda screwed up to me.

I don't really see how it would improve the HW division. It's not like the SHWs are completely dominating, Valuev lost to a much smaller fighter, as do most SHWs. Honestly the last thing we need is another division. its not about winning or losing. its about crappy matches. chagev beat valuev, but it was an ugly fight to watch. cuz no matter what, physically lop sided matches are boring to watch no matter which way they go.

If your going to start adding or taking away divisions then surely the best thing to do would make a complete revision of every weight division, but its not going to happen I don't think.

235 should be the cut off in my opinion. I think it would improve the heavyweight division and would even make for better super heavyweight fights. like tye fields vs valuev. that would happen if there were a super heavyweight division.I don't really see how it would improve the HW division. It's not like the SHWs are completely dominating, Valuev lost to a much smaller fighter, as do most SHWs. Honestly the last thing we need is another division.

How many guys in the HW are really over 250lb? Only a small handful. No way it would work. 235 should be the cut off in my opinion. I think it would improve the heavyweight division and would even make for better super heavyweight fights. like tye fields vs valuev. that would happen if there were a super heavyweight division. and there are enough over and under 235 to have 2 good divisions. I think the vastness of that weight in that divison is the reason for its down fall.

How many guys in the HW are really over 250lb? Only a small handful. No way it would work.

why isn't this thread catching on? I really want to know what ppl think. I though more would be interested. I want hear your 2 cents plz. Cuz I think this is an interesting subject. this is one thread that I believe in and will keep pushing until I am satisfied. I'm not doing this for points, I don't care about points.

Ibragimov is 220 and he is a world champion. No need for any new divisions, the smaller guys can compete against the heavier guys with their speed. Briggs vs Ibragimov = a perfect example of this. Chagaev is under 230 and he whooped Valuev. yeah but, it was a boring fight to watch. as I said, either the big guy takes advantage with his size, or the smaller guy takes advantage with his speed and elusivness. But either way, its a very boring fight. I mean, how many pay-per-view buys were there for the chagaev-valuev fight? How many valuev fights have entertained you? Now imagine a guy closer in height to valuev fighting him, that would be entertaining. And don't tell me that Lewis-Klitchsko wasn't more entertaining than lewis-tyson. Its the way it is, I think the heavyweight division will benefit from this. Its just to weed out the big slow bums, and give them their own super heavyweight division which will have its own attraction cuz of the name of the division.

Ibragimov is 220 and he is a world champion. No need for any new divisions, the smaller guys can compete against the heavier guys with their speed. Briggs vs Ibragimov = a perfect example of this. Chagaev is under 230 and he whooped Valuev.