Best heavyweight left jab ever

Larry Holmes.

Wlad's is more powerful than all (but maybe Liston), and he throws it from more angles, faster, he throws more kinds of jab than all of them. This isn't even close. He's not a better all around fighter than the others, but he throws all the punches better, especially the jab. And it's not close in the other cases either.

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Meh, I really think that " Wlad can always get KO'd" thing is getting old. He's now like he was before, if you noticed in his previous fights, he's improved drastically, even Lewis said, the way Wlad is fighting now, his chin isn't much of a factor. His recent opposition is not good enough for me to say that he has suddenly improved and become a whole new fighter. I think he smokes through Sultan and shows that he is a completely new fighter but lets see it. The Austin's and Brewster's of the world don't impress me. And mr. landmine you are completely ignorant about Ali's career. He fought the best heavyweights of all time in wars (most FOTY's of all fighters) and had years taken off his career (the Vietnam thing you know). That will take a toll on you. Umm... and also his Parkinson's disease. People were saying Ali should retire when he was 31. More often than not boxers are past their best when they are over 30 years old.

ALI has TRAUMA INDUCED parkinsons TOTALLY different from what fox has. It is the result of POOR decisions like fighting past his prime, being OUT OF SHAPE! and lazy laying on the ropes against big punchers. Don't forget ALI faded fast in his career. He was only 32 when he fought Foreman and only 36 when he LOST to a fighter with only 6 professional fights! (Leon) He was totally done by 1980 against Holmes when he was only 38! Remember AFTER the same age (38) Holmes had 25 MORE pro fights!! Including wins over Mercer,Ribalta, and 12 round decision losses to Evander and Oliver McCall Evander has had 12 fights past 38! and he's still going! Foreman STARTED his comeback at age 38! and had 34 MORE fights after that! Ali was a joke! Ya ya..I suppose I'll be banned now! How dare I say anything negative about the "GREATEST" Only? Dude, back then, being in your 30s and being considered prime was very rare.

I picked Holmes. I was watching the Tex Cobb fight a few weeks ago and he basically won the fight with the jab. Cobb was kept at a distance the whole fight and didn't have a chance at getting to Holmes. I know Cobb wasn't that good but it was pretty impressive by Holmes.

ALI has TRAUMA INDUCED parkinsons TOTALLY different from what fox has. It is the result of POOR decisions like fighting past his prime, being OUT OF SHAPE! and lazy laying on the ropes against big punchers. Don't forget ALI faded fast in his career. He was only 32 when he fought Foreman and only 36 when he LOST to a fighter with only 6 professional fights! (Leon) He was totally done by 1980 against Holmes when he was only 38! Remember AFTER the same age (38) Holmes had 25 MORE pro fights!! Including wins over Mercer,Ribalta, and 12 round decision losses to Evander and Oliver McCall Evander has had 12 fights past 38! and he's still going! Foreman STARTED his comeback at age 38! and had 34 MORE fights after that! Ali was a joke! Ya ya..I suppose I'll be banned now! How dare I say anything negative about the "GREATEST"

Meh, I really think that " Wlad can always get KO'd" thing is getting old. He's now like he was before, if you noticed in his previous fights, he's improved drastically, even Lewis said, the way Wlad is fighting now, his chin isn't much of a factor.

I don't think he belongs in there just yet. Maybe in a few years if he unifies the world titles and dominates the division. But he could get knocked out in his next fight for all we know and no one would bring him up in threads like this.

But the opposition isn't comparable. I'm sure anyone with a decent jab and height would outjab Ray Austin and Brewster. What known jabbers has Wladimir outjabbed? Chris Byrd might be the best. I think Wladimir has a good jab but I need to see more of him. Yea I agree, I picked Holmes as the choice, but what I'm saying is I think Wlad belongs up there with those guys as to who has the best jab. He has a pretty good resume, not as Ali or Holmes, but he's been fighting the best out there and he can't really help that.

I'm just teasing, but for arguments sake, like most of those people in that list, doesn't Wlad rely almost solely on his jab? Also, take note that he has lost the least rounds in his entire career in that list. Which means he must have been doing something right with his jab. But the opposition isn't comparable. I'm sure anyone with a decent jab and height would outjab Ray Austin and Brewster. What known jabbers has Wladimir outjabbed? Chris Byrd might be the best. I think Wladimir has a good jab but I need to see more of him.

The thing with Ali is that the Parkinson's started when he was in his late 30's. His boxing career probably contributed to that but I think he would have it even if he hadn't boxed, just at a much later age, not sure. As far as I know it's genetic, so yeah probably was brought on early, but he still would have gotten it. MJ Fox was in his 30s I think and I have a friend that is 38 who has it. Anyway, as far as the thread goes, I'd have to go with Holmes. He didn't have Liston's ferocity and power, or Ali's speed and agility, what he did have was one wicked jab. Klit has a good jab and he seems to be getting better with age, like Lewis did. So let's ask this question again in about 4 years. For now, it has to be Holmes.

^^agreed.But were comparing him to all time greats.He also won the most rounds cause he didn't go trough the competition the others did.

Ali is.......a vegetable thats fucked up. Anyways, I pick liston on sheer power....I heard he KOed sumone with a jab before. Other than that the best all around jab is holmes, power, speed, and accuracy.

Ali.......

ha na man.He had a great jab but not a legendary jab like the othersI'm just teasing, but for arguments sake, like most of those people in that list, doesn't Wlad rely almost solely on his jab? Also, take note that he has lost the least rounds in his entire career in that list. Which means he must have been doing something right with his jab.

Is it because he's white? ha na man.He had a great jab but not a legendary jab like the others

I agree, as far as I know Ali still has most of his faculties, Parkinson's is what is affecting his speech and motor functions. Michael J Fox never boxed and is pretty bad off from the same condition. The thing with Ali is that the Parkinson's started when he was in his late 30's. His boxing career probably contributed to that but I think he would have it even if he hadn't boxed, just at a much later age, not sure.

i can't decide..everyone in a tie except WladimrIs it because he's white?