fabie

You guys know that they're not in the same: • Weight Class • Height and thus the catchweight compromise...just like the Margarito fight. Him in the lower weight, for not fighting Mosley initially isn't an avoidance. If Pac offers Mosley and Mosley declines then it is an avoidance. Mayweather, like Mosley, is on a higher weight class as well...

that is why 50/50 deal is fair....

Younger Pac was a blur who hit the mitts with deadly furious intent. Roach was amazing keeping up. Starts at 2:30 yeah of course...he was YOUNGER, LIGHTER, HUNGRIER and taking more RISKS.

The thing is this is a MEDIA DAY....he will not show off his stuffs and mostly there's a ploy for them to look "sloppy" because they don't want to feed the idea that he is back. But of course he has aged and slowed down but the main thing is about TIMING. If the timing are well synchronized, then the follow up would be fairly easy to land on a very mobile Bradley. The main thing is for Bradley to move about and never let Pacquiao come in to set up his combinations. Never let Pacquiao cut off the ring and throw some jabs and lead rights. So in this light, I would say IF PACQUIAO IS BACK (which I think he is), it will go down to distance and a UD or at most, a late TKO.

I really do think that ALI IS THE GREATEST OF THEM ALL...yes, way above everybody including Mayweather.

Sugar Ray Leonard.

Muhammad Ali.

Please include Sergio Martinez at 154. Sergio called out Floyd for like 5 years but no response from Floyd. Now looking back at who he fought, the excuses brought up back then are now factually just an excuse to duck Sergio. Yeah, I should have put Sergio on that list too...

You have valid points but he still beat the top names in boxing. who should he fight. Thurman and Lara will both get outboxed for 12 rounds. Thurman is a puncher and Floyd has fought punchers after punchers and he has outboxed all of them for 12 rounds. He has fought a boxer in zab and Prime Oscar and we saw the results. Only name in boxing he needs to fight is Manny, which will solidify his place in boxing history. Again, I don't have what it takes to discredit anyone. I just feel that he could have fought more like PRIME COTTO, MARGARITO, PAUL WILLIAMS, MOSLEY AND OF COURSE, PRIME PACQUIAO. Plus fighting once a year is really too-few as of recently. His too-profit centric is really bugging the heck out of me but it doesn't take away my admiration with his superlative skills. I am a boxing fan and I love both Mayweather and Pacquiao. So I will not get into the personality thing too much other than him "not having the heart" to fight more and prove more.

I think he's the best of this era.... however i dont see how its an insult to have pacquiao, chavez, duran ahead of him.. heck, i say for sure duran > pac and mayweather I concur. His skills and superlative ringmanship and his defense CAN be one of the very very best. Unquestionably, the best defender in his era. I am a big fan of that. But if anything that is questionable is his HEART in who he has fought and too-mercenarian and too-profit oriented boxer that is doing a disservice to the sport of pugilism/boxing. I wish there are really ways to confirm his superlative boxing skills with other fighters and the timing of it. With Ali for example, he is to me the greatest of them all but besting all of the fighters in his era and unquestionably being on top of them all.

to me, not enough sampling rate or fights or big fights.......he is special but needs to be promoted more. Needs to have some actions, KOs and TKOs.

Muhammad Ali is the greatest and the most skillful of all boxers.

No he isnt. He used to fade punches with his hands down. Made many mistakes, and was washed up at 37. Lost to Spinks who only had 7 fights. Floyd is in his prime at 37. First fighter even to be in his prime forever. yes he IS the greatest and he didn't duck anyone...like Floyd. Ali fought the best and the very best in their prime in his time.

CAN Bradley KO Pacquiao? YES Would he be able to KO Pacquiao? Possible but not Probable

SKILLS does not equate with HEART. Mayweather is probably one of the most skillful boxer in history but sadly does not have the heart to fight the best in his era. So NO, he isn't a "warrior"...

Hitting women isn't a warrior in my book.

He has declined naturally in terms of physical prowess due to age and wear and tear but to say that he is becoming "irrelevant" is far-fetched. That's too strong of a word, I think a more appropriate word might be: DECLINING. If he beats Bradley, would you rather say that it is part of an athlete's natural up and down or rather bio-rhythm?

I see you stole my gif. :wave: Great shot by Ali but they called it the phantom punch because nobody saw the punch land clearly, had nothing to do with the fact that it was a right hand counter over the jab. This. We also have to consider that there's no viable means of technology to have INSTANT REPLAYs back then, therefore if someone missed this fraction-of-a-second punch that landed Liston - thus the "phantom punch" banter. We all have the luxury NOW to see it. That overhand right by ALI is a powerful and well-timed punch that rocked Liston's head as we can see the impact...

Hagler>>>Hopkins This..........

The extra outside the ring judges sounds good but don't know if that will help with bad decision.:sad: Well at least 5 judges is better than 3 I think....so perhaps get judges (or even get judges or boxers to be judges likewise). If the commission can pay 7 judges even better. So 7 would be ideal. WIth "bad decisions", at the very least there's more consensus among judges instead of just 1 judge to override 2 others. In this case, if there's a 3 vs 3 and 1 judge to be the ice breaker, then perhaps it is "clearer". Perhaps even revise what is SPLIT DECISION. Maybe eliminate it and put back the 15 rounds of boxing until someone goes down instead. Therefore eliminating or minimizing "guess work". That's my humble opinion.

Out of the Ring: 5 or 7 Judges instead of 3 The Champ must defend his crown within 5 months to the no.1 contender In the Ring: • 15 second clock rule A fighter cannot "run" around (the one running away) for more than 15 seconds and have to be penalized by taking away a "point" • Clincher loses a "point"

I like the idea of making boxers judges. well it makes practical sense, doesn't it? hehehehe

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As if fighters from different weight classes have never fought. It's called CATCHWEIGHT...nothing wrong with it, if both sides agree....

I think you meant STUPIDITY....

It's funny how Pacquiao "haters" would use this against him (or any other fighter struggling in a sparring match). Sparring obviously isn't fighting but working out specifics to help him go to upcoming fights. Not only Pacquiao is holding back (power-wise and technique-wise) but also the intention. It is as much an internal (psychological training) as much as it is external (physical training) but less on the latter. Some sparring would check on specific offensive schemes (combos) and/or some are on specific defensive schemes (footwork and blocking/shedding...etc.) A lot are into the stylistic concerns and challenges that the potential fight coming up and how to solve it in the ring. So therefore, it is funny how the "haters" would use this against Pacquiao (or any other fighters such as Mayweather).

I don't know about haters but I was surprised at how Pacquiao still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring leading up to his fight with Marquez. And from what we know is that Pacquiao does go hard on his sparring partners when his getting ready for a fight, that was one of his selling points on 24/7. Oh Pacquiao put another beating on such and such, but when they showed clips of him sparring Gomez and that other dude he was still getting tagged with the same right hand. I was really surprised that Roach wouldn't correct him and Manny just couldn't adjust. Anyways I hear that Morales also gave the business to Mayweather in sparring? can anyone confirm this? Would love it if there was footage of this To put it succinctly, I wouldn't use the phrase that Manny "still couldn't adjust to that right hand even in sparring..." Manny was caught by a beautifully well-time Right Hand Counter. Manny took the offensive and Marquez read it beautifully. And so to say that he didn't adjust to it is a bit harsh, I humbly think. They fought 4 times...they're all "wars" and thus both fighters had a hell of a time because both are really that good and almost even. And so even the last fight against Marquez, not counting that KO in the end, Marquez was seemingly on the way towards getting beat up and defeat. So not to take away anything from Marquez. That was beautiful and accurate. But we cannot say that Pacquiao couldn't adjust, it was perfectly timed counter by Marquez. Had Mayweather gone down with a KO with a beautiful RIGHT HAND CROSS by Mosley - would we be able to say that Mayweather weren't able to adjust with Mosley's right despite knowing that Mosley's big weapon is his Right Cross? No. COUNTER PUNCHES are reactive...meaning it needed an initiative from the opponent's attack therefore the attacker cannot react to the counter that is accurate and well-synchronized.

Sorry I should have explained better. . . I'm not saying it was a lucky punch either, just exactly like you said Marquez read what Manny's next move was going to be and set him up with that brutal counter. What I meant to say was that even lesser boxers where giving Manny trouble with the same right hand. Roach just never thought Manny how to avoid it and Manny has never been able to adjust to it. When I saw that footage I knew Marquez was going to give Pac problems again even at WW. Also I don't know why you guys keep saying Manny would have stopped Marquez if the fight would have kept going. If you really paid attention to that fight Manny's legs where also giving up on him. At the end of round 5 Marquez was dazed and all but he was still able to fight in the inside with Manny and he did tag him up a few times. Also in between rounds when the referee asked him if he was ok he was still able to answer him in english. On the other hand Ariza was in a hurry rubbing Manny's legs trying to keep him from cramping up even more. In the last minute of round 6 Manny wasn't as active anymore, his legs once again where giving up on him and Marquez was trying to set him up again with counters ( which he did 50 second mark) meaning he was still in his senses. If worst came to worst Marquez is a smart fighter and he would have just back pedal until he regain his legs. In all honesty I believe Manny's legs are beyond gone, if he keeps fighting I only see him lasting up to 8 rounds with his style, after that he well crumble the way he did with Bradley (and still Bradley wasn't able to do sh1t). The signs are all there, he is in the same position Morales was when they fought and that didn't end well. No need to apologize my friend. Everything is relative and your posting is also valid in the way you read it. I had a different interpretation though. I don't think Manny's legs were giving up on him. I just think that he "gambled" more when Roach told him to turn it on on what I perceive as the fight seemingly on the way towards Marquez getting beat up badly. It was a bad miscalculation obviously and that's the credit to Marquez and his camp for that preparation. I don't think it's a lucky punch either but it was a textbook finish that is HOLLYWOOD-esque to end this series of Pac-Marquez fight. It seemed so because I don't expect Marquez to fight Pac again and walking out as a winner. But I give credit to both fighters for having the balls and putting everything on the line as opposed to Mayweather not wanting to take any kind of risk losing. I do think that Mayweather have a big edge in fighting Pac but his heart tells him otherwise. Sad they won't fight but any rate back to the thread's topic about Pac's sparring partners, I don't think they stand a chance with Pac in real fights.

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