The pullcounter is so amazing back in the day they called it the Phantom punch

Even though I thought Sonny Liston took a dive, Ali still taxed that a$$ in the first fight.

never heard of that movie. Ill check it out

i just got that dvd Phantom Punch starring Ving Rhymes (the dude from Pulp Fiction)... didnt see it yet thought but its Listons life story.. Good movie. Ving did a good job in this movie.

http://i49.tinypic.com/2uqk778.gifCassius Clay missed the left hook in the choreography. LOL

Still just called a counter punch or counter right hand (over a lazy jab, etc.) Boxers have always tried changing the name of a punch or combo, but when announcers play into this they look like jackasses. Remember the "colt 45" by Delahoya? 45=half hook half uppercut

I see you stole my gif. :wave: Great shot by Ali but they called it the phantom punch because nobody saw the punch land clearly, had nothing to do with the fact that it was a right hand counter over the jab. This. We also have to consider that there's no viable means of technology to have INSTANT REPLAYs back then, therefore if someone missed this fraction-of-a-second punch that landed Liston - thus the "phantom punch" banter. We all have the luxury NOW to see it. That overhand right by ALI is a powerful and well-timed punch that rocked Liston's head as we can see the impact...

What the hell are you talking about Larry? They aren't calling the punch the phantom punch because it was amazing or because they hadn't seen it before. It's a common counter shot and has been forever. :nonono: They called it that because hardly anyone saw it land and they didn't think it was even a real, or hard enough, KO punch landed, hence the term the 'phantom punch' ie people didn't think it was a real punch landed and though the whole thing was a fake or it was a set up. They weren't talking about the actual boxing move. It probably wasn't enough to really hurt him like that (ten count KO), he just wasn't in it anymore and knew he had no chance, especially getting knocked down in the first, because while it might not have been a KO punch, it was definitely a hard, flush shot enough to hurt and drop him. I just don't think he had it in him to go knowing what was in store for him.

Liston imo gave up, he knew he was gonna be in for a looooooooong night with Ali. It was just gonna be the same as the first bout, his heart wasn't in it. He gave up.

sonny liston took a dive tbh I think he was legitimately knocked down, I mean the punch did land good, but whether he could continue or why he didn't when he went down? I don't know.

No the term pull counter is emphasized by the leaning back motion and then countering. Ok. And Delahohya's Colt 45' is not an upper-cut, because it was half-hook/half-uppercut. Hate when Roy tries to change the name on punchs when he is working as an announcer. A fighter naming his own punchs, been done before.

Supposedly his heart wasn't in it after the fight got cancelled and moved while getting a bunch of death threats. Seen the movie "phanton punch" about Liston, good movie he pounding some white broad, never heard he was with some white broad.

Still just called a counter punch or counter right hand (over a lazy jab, etc.) Boxers have always tried changing the name of a punch or combo, but when announcers play into this they look like jackasses. Remember the "colt 45" by Delahoya? No the term pull counter is emphasized by the leaning back motion and then countering.

But than you have Ali who says he learned this punch from Jack Johnson. Ever seen J.J next to Ali? I used to think J.J was taller.

sonny liston took a dive tbh

I see you stole my gif. :wave: Great shot by Ali but they called it the phantom punch because nobody saw the punch land clearly, had nothing to do with the fact that it was a right hand counter over the jab.

Well..to be fair.. Ali WAS pretty fast for his weight lol. I wonder what they'd have thought of Roy Jones Jr in those days.

they acted like they never seen that move when it happened

Still just called a counter punch or counter right hand (over a lazy jab, etc.) Boxers have always tried changing the name of a punch or combo, but when announcers play into this they look like jackasses. Remember the "colt 45" by Delahoya?