Look at the Willie Casey fight..... The story behind this one was that Rigo's team (after asking him if he could pull it off) bet on him to beat Casey in the first round so that they'd have enough money to have a nice party after the fight. Thats what can happen when Rigo actually tries to KO opponents early
I wonder how many of the people giving him "mad p4p respect" would actually pay to watch him headline an event. Maybe 2-3%.I can assure you that if they bring GR, Lara, Abril and Gamboa to South Fl the event will be sold out, I seen it happens with Casamayor, I saw the double tree packed for Barthelemy and a couple of other Cubans, the problem is the promoters wants you to beleive something that it is not true...
Rigo just needs to be fed a couple of B-class fighters that he can get some spectacular KOs over. That will build him back up quickly, they say you're only as good as your last fight and that could also be adjusted to only as "entertaining" as your last fight. A couple of quick KOs in a row and Rigo will be regarded as a monster KO artist by the casual fans and provide the networks with good promotional footage for his future fights.
to me, not enough sampling rate or fights or big fights.......he is special but needs to be promoted more. Needs to have some actions, KOs and TKOs.against who? nobody wants to fight him...
snoooozefest. No one wants to see him fight don't blame the networks. if they have fans walking out of the arenas and changing their tv stations it obviously means something.by your post I know you are not a true fan of the sport, you should know that the fans that walk out were the hometown kid that fought james, they were hurt and disappointed for the beating he took and you should blame agbeko not Rigondeaux, he went 24 rounds toe to toe with mares and the first time he got hit he pull a clotey, in his defense a better fighter like nonito did the same...
Rigondeaux is clearly one of the top 5 best in the sport, and I don't like that he is being shunned/blacklisted or whatever. That is the power of the network however and if he doesn't produce the ratings they want for his pay I guess it is the only thing they can do. I would suggest putting him in with someone who would at least come to him and give him the opportunity to create the type of action they want, not another Agbeko type. Putting him in with someone I think that could at least threaten him would produce those ratings they want.
People need to change their standard about what a good boxer consist of. How can you rate him best when he has no offense and so afraid to take risks? He's one dimensional. If his next fight is another sleep inducing fight, he needs to disappear from this sport. He doesn't belong in this business.
Really? This is exactly the kind of brainwashed bull**** that Arum has created. Rigo doesn't even throw the jab that much, yet ****heads around here spout typically NSB ignorant bull**** along the lines of "Rigo just runs away and throws jabs. Most boring fighter ever". At least watch a ****ing fight before you jump on your little cunt wagon.
I'm ok with him not being a star. It just aint going to happen with his nationality, his style and his size.
So long as he can get fights against some of the top guys (and I do think fights with LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Martinez could happen eventually) then I dont care what network he fights on. As long as someone is there with a video camera so I can watch him dismantle other world class fighters i'll be happy.
What I dont want is some chump to come through and start claiming they are the top dog without fighting Rigo
Back to boxing: Yes, I do believe that Rigo will always find an audience with boxing fans who appreciate authentic quality when they see it. "El Chacal" is a special fighter, the kind that comes along once every couple of decades. People can keep consuming the same sub-par, yet exciting (to them) product. I don't want to miss someone who's likely to be remembered long after the more popular types are forgotten.
Not really true at all. The LCJO is certainly doing very well, and have huge amounts funding and popularity, but jazz as an art form is still very much alive.
In fact, a legend of jazz that died recently said he still finds it amazing that when he was playing in the Bill Evans trio, supporting The Coltrane QUartet and other incredibly famous groups, they would have hardly anyone there, and that when he plays today the clubs are always full.
Lincoln Center is a cultural institution, where artsy, well-healed, highbrow types converge to keep dying musical art-forms alive. I don't consider myself any of the above, but I have attended several operas at the Met and several classical performances at Avery Fischer Hall (all at Lincoln Center). The fact that Wynton sells out at LC means nothing, as far as I'm concerned. It's the smaller clubs that tell the tale.
I used to frequent a great little jazz club on 103 St and Broadway a number of years ago. The place was called "Smoke." The owner would always challenge me to a chess game every time I walked in the door. (I don't think he ever beat me. lol) Lamentably, "Smoke" shut its doors after a couple of years. They just couldn't bring in enough jazz lovers. I suspect the same can be said about most small jazz joints that give it a go.
Other indicators are recordings and record sales. Jazz just isn't recorded as often as it used to be, and sales are dismal. As one artist manager once remarked to me, "I don't mess with jazz, there's no money in it." I don't know which jazz legend you're referring to, and far be it from me to disagree with his observation, but I can only imagine that his impression is that of a big name experiencing what few others in his field do. As you specified, the clubs were always full when he played.
Anyway, jazz is obviously still alive; but it's dying because there just isn't sufficient interest in it. Just as importantly, the art form is dying because it hit an evolutionary dead-end. Once anything stops growing, it starts dying. Jazz stopped growing long ago. Most musicians now reach back into the past to record new takes on old compositions, or fashion new music on old sub-genres. The one saving grace, as far as I'm concerned, at least, is that there are plenty of old recordings that I've yet to experience. I doubt I'll outlive the extensive catalogue of jazz history.
And you're gonna let HBO + Showtime kick him off their networks and stage bum fights instead?
maybe you can sponsor rigo, or call your entire clan to watch him.......oh wait
I'm ok with him not being a star. It just aint going to happen with his nationality, his style and his size.
So long as he can get fights against some of the top guys (and I do think fights with LSC/Frampton/Quigg/Martinez could happen eventually) then I dont care what network he fights on. As long as someone is there with a video camera so I can watch him dismantle other world class fighters i'll be happy.
What I dont want is some chump to come through and start claiming they are the top dog without fighting Rigo
Wynton Marsalis might agree with you, since he's a champion of early jazz. But not me, my friend, oh, no, no, no. I completely disagree. I'll go all the way back to Bix Beiderbecke, Jelly Roll Morton, Satch and Duke, but I love me some Trane, Miles, Dexter Gordon, Horace Silver, Mingus, etc. What you might be thinking of is free jazz, which started in the early sixties. Not really my cup of tea, but I can actually deal with it in small doses. Then Miles introduced electric instruments with 1970's "Bitches Brew," which I love, but which started taking jazz into an unrecognizable realm. By the time "smooth jazz" arrived (which isn't really jazz at all), the genre was done as an art form. Now we have very few artists trying to keep jazz alive; but most of them have to travel back in time to an earlier sound, like Wynton.
Not really true at all. The LCJO is certainly doing very well, and have huge amounts funding and popularity, but jazz as an art form is still very much alive.
In fact, a legend of jazz that died recently said he still finds it amazing that when he was playing in the Bill Evans trio, supporting The Coltrane QUartet and other incredibly famous groups, they would have hardly anyone there, and that when he plays today the clubs are always full.
to me, not enough sampling rate or fights or big fights.......he is special but needs to be promoted more. Needs to have some actions, KOs and TKOs.
Yeah, it's not a hard concept. Arum is just a petty bitter old cunt. While he makes millions off fighters, he happily ruins someone's life without thought because of that pettiness and doesn't allow that fighter to make his own living.
He said cowardly style. He does fight with one takes 0 chances even when facing a far lesser fighter. Most of the other boxing style fighters will do something else and make an effort to go forward ...Rigo does not. He throws his kitten jab out 800 times and keeps back.
Really? This is exactly the kind of brainwashed bull**** that Arum has created. Rigo doesn't even throw the jab that much, yet ****heads around here spout typically NSB ignorant bull**** along the lines of "Rigo just runs away and throws jabs. Most boring fighter ever". At least watch a ****ing fight before you jump on your little cunt wagon.
Jazz hasn't been great since the 30s-40s. The 50s ruined it with the lounge style and it's gotten worse ever since.
Yet the most famous jazz musician and the highest selling jazz album were from the late 50s/early 60s and places like the Lincoln Center sell out with great regularity today.
1950s lounge style? :nonono:
Someone knows what they're talking about.....:dunce:
I wouldn't say he's #1 P4P but saying he's a boring fighter is like saying Biggie is the G.O.A.T. Nothing but propaganda put out by the powers that be.
Yes, I don't understand it. There are many more boring fighters, al, of whom are getting big fights, Andre award being an obvious one. Rigo has had one or two stinkers, and a bunch of good/decent fights that are easily watchable. The Donaire fight was a good fight, but it seems he would have been better off losing.
Tar and Arum are real ****ing dogs. He wouldn't be hard to put on as a main undercard fight, but Arums just trying to screw him for embarrassing his other Filipino star. It's ****ed and people are falling for the bull****.
Many if the same people *****ing will go and watch a Ward fight, or similar, without any of the same *****ing.
It's sad. He's trying to make a living doing the only thing he can do and knows, and he's one of the greatest in the world at it, yet people fall for the bull**** media put out by TR and just go along with it.
Tow the line boys.
Rigo just in a bad division, he would have to chase money fights for people to get interested. Andre Ward gets a pass cause he american and in a weight class american's like. The boxing heavyweight champion of the world can't get on HBO or Showtime, if people don't speak up for that then why expect it for rigo?