Is Mayweather Justified In His Refusal To Deal With Arum For The Pacquiao Fight?

didnt roach and team pac do that exact thing to jmm after he ko'd pac?yes he did and his fans followed suit. manny could have just took tests and made fight but he didnt he walked over something no athlete should ever walk out on and to make it worse for pac fans he agreed to do it AFTER he got ko'd. shame Come on, that is not even close to being the same thing. You said, that you wouldn't do business with that type of scenario. For one, Manny fought Marquez twice while with MEMO and wanted to fight Marquez again. You said that you would never do business in those type of circumstances yet now you say Manny should have done business even though Floyd and company accused Manny of doing PEDs with no proof! You said "I agree but if a man stole from me, sued me, and dragged my name through mud i wouldnt do business with them at all. "

The irony of this thread is overwhelming. Bob Arum is a known crook when it comes to his own boxers. Look at the IRS situation Manny Pacquiao is in now, who is to blame for that? Isn't Arum the one responsible for making sure Manny's financial obligations from his fights are taken care of? Not only does Floyd have valid reason for not working with Arum, MANNY PACQUIAO who is still uner contract with him has valid reasons not to deal with him either! Yet and still, Pacquiao fans come into this thread and spew the 'Floyd's scared, just fight him!' nonsense that they always do, when their own favorite fighter is being royally screwed over by the same guy. I swear you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried.

that is why 50/50 deal is fair....

Is that what you say when you discuss Floyd and company throwing Manny under the bus when they all ACCUSED Manny on taking PEDs with NO PROOF and then were expecting that Manny would just say "I don't mind those accusations FLoyd .... let's fight!" :poke: See, now that you are trying to protect your hero Floyd, you understand what Floyd did goes against your principals when you said "dragged my name through mud i wouldnt do business with them at all" Floyd knew that would happen ...... didnt roach and team pac do that exact thing to jmm after he ko'd pac?yes he did and his fans followed suit. manny could have just took tests and made fight but he didnt he walked over something no athlete should ever walk out on and to make it worse for pac fans he agreed to do it AFTER he got ko'd. shame

Floyd is to mayweather promo as Oscar is to gbp. He personally doesn't have a liscense but still looked at as the "promoter". When you look on boxrec for a gbp card it says Richard Schaefer. For a tmt card it says Ellerbe Dont waste ur time...the New York Times article has been posted 1000x these guys are just too damn dumb to comprehend what it says. Schaffer even explains how TMT hires GBP for logistics and its staffing to help promote the fight....and how Mayweather makes money off drinks food and shirts sold. And certain PPV from bars and overseas that other fighters never realy see.

Whether Arum gains anything doesn't affect Mayweather in any way, except for his pride. His pride, refusing to negotiate and giving the Pacquiao camp it's dues, has prevented this fight from being made. Nice sig pic.

No. He aint fighting Arum. Hes fighting Manny. Arum has nothing to do with his Money he will be making. Arum only has his hands in Mannys pocket. Not Floyds. Manny wants to fight for the fans. Floyd dont care what fans want. He is a Coward in every form. And looking at the poll...Well Arum would want to CO-promote or promote this fight entirely himself. Therefore, his hands would be in everyone's pocket. This is simple business people. In addition, the arrangement Floyd has in place which Manny should have done a long time ago doesn't allow for split of revenue on co-promotions which why all his fights have been either in-house or against free agents. Simply put, if Manny does what Cotto did, the fight gets made and Floyd has no excuse not to make it. Apparently, Manny loves Arum taking 30% of his purse and whatever he makes on the promotional side. These fighters fight too hard to end up broke and Manny is looking like another in he long list unfortunately.

I agree but if a man stole from me, sued me, and dragged my nane through mud i wouldnt do business with them at all. Is that what you say when you discuss Floyd and company throwing Manny under the bus when they all ACCUSED Manny on taking PEDs with NO PROOF and then were expecting that Manny would just say "I don't mind those accusations FLoyd .... let's fight!" :poke: See, now that you are trying to protect your hero Floyd, you understand what Floyd did goes against your principals when you said "dragged my name through mud i wouldnt do business with them at all" Floyd knew that would happen ......

Floyd's already dodgy reputation is taking a battering lately and its only going to get worse if he announces he's fighting Khan.:nonono:

Whether Arum gains anything doesn't affect Mayweather in any way, except for his pride. His pride, refusing to negotiate and giving the Pacquiao camp it's dues, has prevented this fight from being made.

He's justified to the extent that he's free to do whatever he wants, just like the rest of us. It seems petty, and is frustrating as hell. On Arum's end, there is no reason to hang on to that bitterness so late into life. IDK maybe that is what gets him up to work everyday. Both of them love boxing so get it together! I can't even lie though, the pre-fight wouldn't be the same without the old guy. I want him to be a part of the promotion if it ever happens!

Can someone answer me this: Is arum going to steal any of Floyd's share? If not, then what is the problem? Trust is the key-word here, There must always be an element of trust when doing business. GBP don't Trust Arum and Floyd certainly don't either. I'm Hoping Pac becomes a free agent and gets paid good money from GBP-&-Showtime for his services, so many big fights out there for him other than Mayweather.

Floyd says that boxing is a business and calls himself "Money" yet he refuses to do business with someone to create the biggest money fight possible. He's a hypocrite and a coward. If he beats Pacquiao it will greatly enhance his legacy. I don't know what Amir Khan will do for him. He's acting like a little kid for some reason, not a fully grown intelligent adult.

Floyd says that boxing is a business and calls himself "Money" yet he refuses to do business with someone to create the biggest money fight possible. He's a hypocrite and a coward.

Hell no!!!

People claim to support Manny but instead support the man who is robbing him blind...amazing So you're saying Floyd's refusal to deal with Arum is because he's robbing Manny? Your statement is similar to what GRUSTLER wrote in comment#276 on the "Pacquiao Turns His Back On Mayweather Fight, For Now" thread. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=624513&page=28 Instead of wasting time restating the argument, I'll copy/paste the quote & my rebuttal: Quote: Originally Posted by GRUSTLER By the logic of Pacquiao's fans. Floyd has to show he wants the fight but can't make demands because Manny is too sensitive and stupid to negotiate and talk for himself. Arum is the one robbing him but Mayweather is the enemy for trying to get him some money without Arum. Rebuttal: Do you honestly believe those words you're putting in Floyd's mouth? Can you provide a link to an article or video of Floyd expressing such humanitarian, altruistic sentiment in wanting to save Manny from Arum to maximize Manny's paycheck? You really think Floyd is "trying to get him some money without Arum"? You're starting to exhibit faulty Floydiot logic yourself. As I vaguely remember some poster saying, Floyd's ex-BFF FiftyCent said that not only is Floyd obsessed with the money he's making but he's so worried about how much money other people are making (or something to that effect). What does that tell you? There are numerous articles, videos, tweets and other social media all over the internet documenting Floyd's hatred and contempt for this one yellow midget he doesn't want to fight. Most recently Floyd called Pac a dog desperate to be thrown a bone. Is that kind of hatred and contempt harmonious & compatible with humanitarian/altruistic feelings for Manny's financial welfare? Is that what your logic leads you to conclude? If so, it's faulty and as delusional as the rest of the Floydiots. Logic would indicate that, with Floyd's outright hatred and contempt for the yellow midget, he would rejoice and gloat about Manny making "slave wages" after paying off Arum his master's fee. Wouldn't it? Wouldn't it? It's the only common sense misanthropic behavior and attitude for Floyd to assume. He should be gleeful that Arum is robbing Manny. But noooooOOOOOOoooooo, he won't negotiate with Arum in Manny's corner because he wants to save Manny from being robbed. Floydiot logic. Why is Floyd so concerned about where Manny's money goes? What business is it of his? It's prize fighting. As long as he gets his larger percentage of the prize, why should he be so concerned how Manny splits his smaller (but equitable, not insulting) share of the prize? That logic can't be denied. Only a Floydiot's willful denial of such TRUTH would make it illogical to their delusional mind. And it proves that using Arum as the newest demand/excuse is just the latest roadblock and smokescreen to pretend he wants to negotiate a fight, the latest change-up from previously saying, "Take the test and we have a fight." You say that, "Floyd has to show he wants the fight but can't make demands..." Sh1t, he has been making demands. Look at that last sentence in that last paragraph. Or are you referring to other demands like money split? That's another ploy that can be and was used by Floyd to smokescreen and masquerade his desire for a fight. Only a Floydiot would consider a lowball flat fee out of a record breaking monetary windfall to be acceptable. But Manny wasn't that stupid...and I'm sure Floyd knew it was insultingly lowball and he counted on Manny saying NO...then Floyd can triumphantly say, "I made an offer but Manny rejected the fight." Just watch...when Manny is free from Arum, Floyd will again offer lowball insulting "slave wages" for Pac, and he'll brag that Manny again said NO. So let's see how your logic counters in rebuttal to what I've said. __________________ http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14131468#post14131468 Comment#392 Once again, my reply got BRONER'ed, the Floydiot willfully denying the truth (or unable to express a logical rebuttal). I bet you pull the BRONER on me too since you only post sound bites parroting what "Floyd said..." Personally, I don't care if Arum robs Manny blind. I just want to see the fight get signed...no roadblocks or excuses. If Manny's cultural identity calls for that kind of dedication & loyalty to the benefactor who got him to where he is today, that's on him. Why does it matter to Floyd?

The proof is in the pudding. Good fighters that leave top rank do financially well after. Look how Cotto has raked in more money and opportunities. Also TR does the same as other promoters in that want you to sign under their banner to fight their star fighter or they want to handle the whole promotion if you don't sign

Why would anyone want to do business with a lying, cheating, greedy promotor who already burnt you in the past? If I was Floyd, I wouldn't want to split Jack **** with Arum. I am befuddled that Manny hasn't figured something different out by now. If I were a Pacquiao fan, I would be praying for him to leave TR.

Better question: Do we allow a system that no other major sport has where promoters, athletes, trainers, managers, agents and TV execs and their ego fights can muddy the water of who is the best and prevent fans from finding out? And the answer is a big yes.

Hopefully neither Pac nor Mayweather bring eachother up anymore. I'm tired of this imaginary fight, the stupid promoters, the boxers and their excuses given in the past and now, the idiot fanboys, the excuses the fanboys have chided, accepted and repeat. Fact is that its never going to happen, and no matter who you blame, the end result is that its a SHAME for BOXING! Damn i miss the 80's and the boxers who were true sportsmen and loved to fight whoever was a challenge......wheres the hot tub time machine at?!?!?!?