I say yes. People forget how competitive and dedicated Floyd is, he hasn't been properly challenged since his fights with Castillo, Oscar, and Hatton. You can argue that his chin is not tested, but I think if say he gets knocked down by Maidana, it will ignite the fire in him and he will go to war and prove he has heart and a killer instinct. What say you?
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Depends on what your definition of "warrior" is. If you mean possessing the will to win, then Floyd is the biggest warrior in all of boxing. If you mean someone that doesn't mind getting into brawls and trading shots to the head then no..
By my definition, still not a warrior.
Everything I've said before still applies. Great defensive fighter when he chooses to be (Rounds 7 and 9 especially). But he is no closer, and I require that before calling someone a warrior.
As for this fight, it's not a fight to base much of anything on. I believe Floyd's lack of pressure for the first half of the fight was a calculated risk. I believe it involved Maidana getting tired for the second half. It's a risk, and a lucky one that didn't backfire on Floyd this time around.
Very calculated, and very lucky. Floyd would have to evaluate whether or not to take the same route against another similarly gamed opponent. You see, this fight was a fight of distance...Maidana took over on the inside with little distance; Floyd took over on the outside with arm's length distance.
But, back to the topic. No, he's still not considered a warrior by me. And he may never be with his style of fighting. Again, "The Best Defensive Fighter of Our Time", but warrior? No.
Props to Chino for making it a war. But Floyd was never in any serious trouble sans the headbutt and low blow.
Of course, now many will say Floyd showed his age 'cause he didn't really bounce on his toes much for Maidana.
He did weather decent onslaught and adjusted comfortably as he is known to do.
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Floyd didn't show his age, he looked sharp, but he was bullied around for much of the fight.
I say Floyd is now a fearless warrior if there was any doubt.
Props to Chino for making it a war. But Floyd was never in any serious trouble sans the headbutt and low blow.
Of course, now many will say Floyd showed his age 'cause he didn't really bounce on his toes much for Maidana.
He did weather decent onslaught and adjusted comfortably as he is known to do.
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Well, I'll end my posting on this thread with this:
IF, and that's a big IF....
If Mayweather engages like he's implying that he will I hope that he carries things through like I believe he can and knocks out Maidana. Or at least gets the TKO from a ref or corner stoppage.
By my definition, this will seriously improve giving the guy the title of "warrior".
He said he's not going to move around much and stay in the pocket. We'll see about that. I'm curious to see if he goes to the body a lot as I think he will.
Anyway...I'm out on this thread as it appears it's going waaay off topic.
At least until Sunday.
Great post.
Well, I'll end my posting on this thread with this:
IF, and that's a big IF....
If Mayweather engages like he's implying that he will I hope that he carries things through like I believe he can and knocks out Maidana. Or at least gets the TKO from a ref or corner stoppage.
By my definition, this will seriously improve giving the guy the title of "warrior".
He said he's not going to move around much and stay in the pocket. We'll see about that. I'm curious to see if he goes to the body a lot as I think he will.
Anyway...I'm out on this thread as it appears it's going waaay off topic.
At least until Sunday.
I am not contradicting myself - FMJ and his team had the power and leverage to use those statements against Canelo and his team. Bob Arum does not have the power or leverage to request 50/50 and a 14 day cut off anymore. So why should the offer still be on the table? Is that a contradiction or fact.
Your last paragraph is sad and shows your mentality or lack there of.:poke: The statement by FMJ in my sig shows his mentality in the ring and why he is usually 10 steps ahead of his opponents.
Yes it is contradicting yourself .
One you acknowledge that you can't expect something to be left on the table forever but then, just like everything that deals with Floyd, since it's now against Floyd, even though it's an obvious one that physically is hard for Canelo to do and because both are holding titles at 154, something said when Canelo could have made 150-152 you should have also acknowledged was too long ago for it to remain on the table.
You FINALLY agreeing with me without you even realizing it because YOU now saying that Floyd's "mentality in the ring" is one of art not warrior ..... Floyd is someone who mentally does NOT fight like a warrior. He would rather get bood, move around the ring without throwing a punch and win on points (eg. Baldomir fight) than engage to the final bell.
You know that you are contradicting yourself? read paragraph #1 and #2. So Canelo's statement MUST be left on the table once it's left from their mouth but Floyd, since he is your hero can put things on the table and remove them whenever he wants?
lastly, look at your Sig ..... for Floyd, boxing is an "art" :rofl: So listen to him. Floyd doesn't get into wars. He does not have that mentality nor style to be considered a warrior.
I am not contradicting myself - FMJ and his team had the power and leverage to use those statements against Canelo and his team. Bob Arum does not have the power or leverage to request 50/50 and a 14 day cut off anymore. So why should the offer still be on the table? Is that a contradiction or fact.
Your last paragraph is sad and shows your mentality or lack there of.:poke: The statement by FMJ in my sig shows his mentality in the ring and why he is usually 10 steps ahead of his opponents.
Plenty of boxers risk their life in the ring, Mayweather is certainly not one of them. I don't mean that in a negative way either, his defense and elusiveness has managed to protect him from potentially life threatening brain injuries.
Boxers step in the ring with Mayweather looking to knock his head off. He is at risk just like anyone else.
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Look, you have a broad sense of what warrior is. If you want to go with that then everyone is a boxing warrior because they all get in the ring and all take and give a punch.
Floyd is certainly the best in some things that he does but he does NOT fight with a warrior type mentality. If you ask Floyd, "health comes first" .... "If you give me all the money in the world but I get a limp, then I say take all the money back"
You are confusing this for no reason. A warrior does NOT even have to be the best at his craft.
Professional boxers are warriors. That is there job. You do not need a broad definition of the word warrior to recognize that. Have respect for the sport and the individuals in it.
Who cares if Canelo's team said they did not want the fight at 152 after they signed the fight. They signed to fight at 152 and that weight stemmed from the 150lb comment from Canelo's team. Here is a simple solution next time for that. Keep your mouth shut.
In regards to 50/50 and a 14 day cutoff - Arum did not like the offer and went and fought Clottey. Correct or Incorrect? If correct, then who declined the offer? Are you saying FMJ and his team should leave the offer on the table forever?
Lastly, you look silly for saying FMJ is not a warrior. I am fine with that. Keep believing.
You know that you are contradicting yourself? read paragraph #1 and #2. So Canelo's statement MUST be left on the table once it's left from their mouth but Floyd, since he is your hero can put things on the table and remove them whenever he wants?
lastly, look at your Sig ..... for Floyd, boxing is an "art" :rofl: So listen to him. Floyd doesn't get into wars. He does not have that mentality nor style to be considered a warrior.
You just went full retard and blew my comment completely out of context. Special Forces and SWAT teams risk their lives on the job, Mayweather doesn't.
Boxers don't risk their lives in the ring? Laughable.
You do know blows to the head aren't healthy, right?
You just went full retard and blew my comment completely out of context. Special Forces and SWAT teams risk their lives on the job, Mayweather doesn't.
What so getting punched in the face and vital organs isn't risking your like now?
Canelo didn't want it to be 152 and you know it. If you can't even agree to that then there is no point in discussing because that is a known fact.
Canelo and his team brought up the point that if they didn't agree then they were concerned that there would be no fight. Like what happened to Manny.....
Canelo brought up 150 when he was still growing and could have made that weight. A few years later, he couldn't. Hard to understand?
Would you say what you said if Floyd put something on the table and then took it away? 14 day cutoffs? 50/50 revenue sharing?
Sorry, but Floyd is NOT a Warrior. At least I see some Floyd fans know who their fighter is and is not ...... you are NOT one of them! :lol1:
Who cares if Canelo's team said they did not want the fight at 152 after they signed the fight. They signed to fight at 152 and that weight stemmed from the 150lb comment from Canelo's team. Here is a simple solution next time for that. Keep your mouth shut.
In regards to 50/50 and a 14 day cutoff - Arum did not like the offer and went and fought Clottey. Correct or Incorrect? If correct, then who declined the offer? Are you saying FMJ and his team should leave the offer on the table forever?
Lastly, you look silly for saying FMJ is not a warrior. I am fine with that. Keep believing.
Mentality? A warriors mentality is to win - Nothing else - What are you talking about? I am not making a mistake, you are. To you a warrior should have a certain mindset. I agree with that. I do not agree with the mindset you are thinking of. I would take FMJ's mindset and skill set over any other boxer today. Those 2 bolded words are why FMJ is not just a boxer(warrior), but is considered the best boxer today.
Look, you have a broad sense of what warrior is. If you want to go with that then everyone is a boxing warrior because they all get in the ring and all take and give a punch.
Floyd is certainly the best in some things that he does but he does NOT fight with a warrior type mentality. If you ask Floyd, "health comes first" .... "If you give me all the money in the world but I get a limp, then I say take all the money back"
You are confusing this for no reason. A warrior does NOT even have to be the best at his craft.
I agree, fighting at 155 is just as wrong as 152. Do you agree?
The point was that Floyd took advantage of the situation by demanding a CW. The poster found that to be untruthful that Floyd would take advantage of a situation and gave him the Canelo example. Remember that this was Floyd's 3rd fight at 154 and Floyd fought and held titles at 154!
I agree the fight should have been at 154; I can't slander Manny for CW's and praise Floyd for it when he would have bet him regardless of weight. I don't think he took advantage of Canelo that would Floyd using 8 oz gloves and having Canelo using 16oz. Ego's is what cause the CW more than anything Canelo team said they weren't going below 154 for anybody and Floyd team wanted to prove a point.
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