Does anyone think that in the case of 40/40 + 20% to win would make any difference in this fight?
Say it happens when crowds are back & gets lots of buys and ends up a $20M pot for arguments sake. You really think for either of these world class undefeated the difference between $8M & $12M would make the slightest difference in the ring, I just can't see it happening.
Doubt it has much to do with Warren, Fury would be calling the shots in that relationship.
It makes you wonder what really happened with the contract, if there was language in there saying the rematch had to happen in 2020, added by Wilder's side no less, they had to know this was a likely outcome. Maybe the guarantees were so high that without live gate it would make a loss and the broadcasters wouldn't do it, although the silence from Wilder makes you wonder if hes not happy to see it drift away.
The difference between Ruiz & Joshua's rematch and Fury & Wilder 2 could not have been more opposite.
In todays unsolved mysteries, why does the world's largest podcaster with thousands of hours of content and a reach that most TV networks dream of with zero advertising get paid lot, we may never know.
2nd oldest active champion only behind Manny..
I really don’t get why people are hating on Gennady. He was very entertaining over the years, giving us some good time and two great fights with Canelo.
Just don’t get it...
I agree, doesn't even really do much smack talking, no idea why boxing fans would have such animosity, but these forums are mainly picking a couple horses and degrading everyone else it seems.
What are you talking about, he invited Fury to the fight, and said after the fight the undisputed is the fight to make now. What more do you want him to say, they already negotiated splits. Jesus, talk about trying to create something out of nothing.
Blame Hearn for not getting this mandatory out of the way during the pandemic. There was NO reason to wait five extra months so 1000 fans could be there.
Yeah, should have had the fight months ago like Fury v Wilder 3, oh that's right, it didn't happen, I wonder why.
He didn’t invite Fury
He said Fury would have to work as a broadcaster because Fury lives in Tier 3, but he is welcome to do that if he wants. That would mean Fury would have to be in the bubble all week. Eddie knows Fury is not going to do that, but he’s just saying it to make it look like he wants it.
AJ is fighting Usyk next, that’s why he’s putting emphasis on being undisputed, not fighting Fury
He’s going to use the WBO mandatory to duck the Fury fight, saying he wants to keep all the belts first.
Dunno why people can’t see their games a mile off.
Hearn is saying the Fury fight should be next and he'll do everything he can to make it, you take this to mean they don't want it, OK.
Are you one of those people that still believe it was Joshua avoiding the Wilder fight also, despite all evidence at the time to the contrary, and clear indication after it was Wilder that swerved it?
3 weeks notice. Hearn sacrificing his fighters again for networks.
This fight has been talked about as a possibility for months, if Smith isn't ready and accepted the fight thats really on him not Hearn.
Anyone actually paying attention at the time should have known, it was that obvious. Turning down meetings, demanding acceptance within 24 hours without seeing a contract, there was never any mystery as to which side prevented that fight from getting made. You don't turn down $100M+ and the shot at undisputed without even negotiating if you like your chances.
Not saying it couldn't have worked out for Wilder, he thought he could get Fury underprepared, he was wrong and has paid the price, big time and Joshua lost in the meantime also, but the fact is the Joshua Wilder fight wasn't made because of Wilders side, even he has now admitted it, end of story.
If Fury & Joshua are tied up for a year and Wilder does continue boxing this would be a good fight to make, pity WBO can't parachute Wilder in to fight Usyk if Joshua has to vacate to fight Fury.
Not sure if Wilder is as durable as Chisora, if Usyk puts it on Wilder like he did in the mid rounds that might be enough to neutralise Wilders power, the early rounds would be a tightrope for Usyk though. What other options does Wilder have, Ruiz would be up there, Whyte if gets past Pov seems unlikely, if they could make Usyk v Wilder for a belt that would be Wilders best path, I mean it would make no sense ranking wise but this is boxing.
Another episode of “Everyone and they grandma can beat Deontae Wilder”!
Name me anyone in history that is like Tyson Fury and I’ll wait.....
Just because Tyson Fury is the only one who has beaten Wilder doesn't mean he is the only one who can beat him though.
I actually think it would be an interesting fight, Usyk looked completed outsized in the first couple rounds against Chisora, he found a way but it looked very dicey for a while, however Wilder wouldn't have that weight to throw around, power definitely but not the mass, and the lack of punch volume, balance and technique would suit Usyk somewhat. On the other hand, Usyk does get hit and it would only take one shot.
I'd hope most actual boxers, those with a brain at least, aren't racists. They should know 99% of people can't do what they do, and the 1% that can are from many races and it makes no damn difference.
Ukraine would have the top per capita representation in elite boxers, is that because they are a physically or mentally superior race, of course not, boxing is popular there, they have great coaching, amateur programs, relatively less competition from other sports etc.
Its so unfortunate that race is pulled into sport full stop, if you can't admire the skill, heart and dedication and fall back on skin color or where someone happened to be born that just straight up sad.
Top elite? Explain. Name drop what we see in the pros and back it by who they fought.
Pretty obvious, Usyk and Loma for a start, 2 P4P top 10 from a country with around a tenth the population of the US, that's an obvious over representation.
Don't get hung up on that point tho, it was only an example to highlight that it's obviously not race that matters, any population with good participation, good training and the other environmental factors and you'll get good boxers, the skin color makes no difference.
TBF if you train all the time and don't drink it probably only takes 4 beers to get like that.
I also wonder who he is talking about, wouldn't be porter would it?
I don’t know, he did sign for a fight with AJ, and if that judge didn’t force a fight with wilder then he would be fighting AJ right now.
Fury is overrated as a boxer, he’s rubbish, BUT one thing I credit him with is the fact he fights anyone anywhere and has a lot of courage.
Not sure about the fights anyone anywhere, sure he fought Wlad in Germany and Wilder in the US, but he has had his share of no shows, Wlad rematch, agreed to fight Whyte then bailed a couple days later.
Boxers love to talk that "I'll fight anyone anywhere" talk, which I always find a bit silly from a professional, they always leave out the "if it makes sense for my career".
You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a 10% split contract -> I aint signing that, the deals gotta be right.
You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a dude from nowhereistan, 2 & 12 guy no one has heard of that can't seel a ticket - > I aint signing that, whats he do for me?
With enough money on the line I think any boxers fight anyone anywhere, even if it means selling their "0".
Jeff Horn is widely admired for his perfect technique as is Wilder.
Tank seems well liked for his activities outside of the ring.
Floyd is beloved for his general attitude and fight anyone approach.
Canelo is held in high esteem for his diet.
But for an overall package Billy Joe Saunders seems very popular round here, Broner a close second.
The Joshua-Fury fight isn't a moneyspinner as much people think it will be. In fact, I kinda feel it wouldn't do all that much better than Wilder-Fury 3. For some reason, I just don't think Joshua or Fury have really captured the imagination of the boxing community outside of the UK. Unless they charged like £50 for it (which wouldn't surprise me if they do) then I don't think it really does more than $150m.
I also don't know how much Arum actually trusts the Saudi's delivering on their promises. Unless the escrow talk was simply talk, it makes it already seem apparent Arum didn't believe the money was on the table.
Using escrow doesn't show anything, you think they hand them a $60 million cheque after the fights finished or something. Escrow is usual for big deals in business. Plus the Saudi money is pretty much know isn't it, it was massive without relying on PPV as I heard it.
I think Fury and AJ would both fight each other but I don't think Arum and Warren want that fight.
It's weird to me because I think Fury would win pretty easily but there is maybe a 20% risk factor and I think those guys see that as too big a risk.
Boxing politics are at the fore of this and there's a lot of people in the sport who are DESPERATE to hinder Eddie Hearn in any way.
I think Fury is on his last fight with Arum, he definatley shouldn't re sign, if him, AJ and Hearn sit down over a coffee they will finalise a deal in 15 minutes that works for everyone imho.
Sounds like most of Fury's guidance is done by MTK, for the two Joshua fights Hearn would be the lead promoter and those fights would probably earn way more than anything else he could do in his career, especially if he wins the first.
Which raises the question of why wouldn't Arum want to make the Joshua fight, the second Wilder fight didn't make much if any money apparently, so the third could be a bloodbath financially and if his deal with Arum is up Fury would be free to cut him out for the big money fights. I guess access to ESPN in the US is the main thing Arum brings but the Saudis are paying anyway.
Who knows, but screwing up, so the last fight on Fury's contract is a loss maker with two massive paydays ready to go is unfortunate timing it would seem.
Thought it was a good fight, Haney looks really sharp early, I thought it was obvious he came in trying to make a statement and it almost cost him.
Linares may have dropped Loma, but IMO that was way more of a flash knock down which Loma walked into and didn't really rock him at all, whereas Haney was near the edge, if it wasn't on the bell Haney looked to be getting dropped or worse. Plus his ability to recover or maintain control while hurt was shown as pretty average.
Not sure where the hate is coming from though unless its just partisan BS, he was going for the finish instead of playing it safe and didn't quit, its not like the WBC situation is his fault, blame WBC & TR for that if anyone. Haney definitely has some things to work on, though he's not alone there either, Ryan got dropped by Campbell, Teo got outclassed and looked vulnerable when Loma actually started throwing punches, thats OK too, makes it exciting.
Manny trained in the gym I went to at the time, we got a new ring and bags out of it, saw him leaving one night. Thought it was close but Pac would get the decision, was super happy when they announced horn, just because he was the local boy, was a great event though.
I'm not convinced Fury knew what was up. I mean why does Fury sign the contract to fight AJ if he's not going to fight AJ? I think Bob mighta been on his own sh^t here idk.
Randomly is there any chance Fury can be sued for signing a deal when he can't fulfill it? I suspect there could be damages involved in Fury (& maybe Bob if he signed anything) being on the hook for some expenses or damages or w/e in legalese could be in play in a lawsuit for failing to fulfill an obligation or pretending they could fulfill an obligation & wasting one parties side. Idk just thinking outloud, could be nothing there with that, but it kinda seems like a situation where there could be lawsuits not unlike Floyd suing over that failed Logan Paul date/venue situation.
I could definitely imagine some legal exposure from various parties, maybe Fury against Arum (or Arum's legal rep) if they straight up screwed up getting out of the rematch clause, if Arum's rationale was "We didn't explicitly extinguish the rematch officially because we thought it had expired" and the arbitrator cited that as the reason for granting a rematch (just speculating), thats the type of thing legal counsel get sued for all the time, they screwed up & cost their client millions, then their professional indemnity insurance could have to pay.
Less so from Hearn against Arum I would think, Hearn is on record as knowing their was ongoing arbitration, he may have relied on representations from Arum that it wouldn't be an issue, but that sounds more like an opinion than fact.
Saudis would probably be in the strongest position legally, but doubt they would take any action, as with any of them, the upside from suing would be measured against the downside of poisoning the relationship, the Saudis probably still want the fight, Fury wants to work with Arum etc.
I know. It's like people live in an alternate reality where money, laws, and other objective factors simply do not exist. Like boxers are in high school and must fight the other tough guys for cred.
I do think the fact Fury signed to fight Joshua pretty much shows he'd do it, if he really didn't want to fight Joshua the rematch clause was the perfect excuse, no need to go to arbitration etc, its literally the perfect excuse.
However if it is actually true that Arum/Fury could have terminated the agreement in December but didn't, it does raise questions, I tend to think its incompetence on Arum's part though.
I haven't followed LH too closely, why isn't Bivol v Beterbiev the obvious fight to make? Removing the obvious Canelo payday, that's obviously understandable as it would be huge money.
Is it promotional issues? Two undefeated Russians, 1 and 2 in the division by a mile, thought it would have been a no brainer.
Absolutely, should be called out every time. When a promoter or network won't allow the best fights to be made for their business reasons they are stealing from the fans, the boxers and the sport. For big fights if an agreement can't be reached, put it to a purse bid like situation, everyone brings their offers, highest gets the fight. Fans win, boxers win, boxing wins.
The whole "wrong side of the street" is literally companies thieving from boxing fans, and somehow we have people supporting it.
Doesn't seem that bad, I mean not great but was expecting worse, could just be a few drinks and clowning around.
Obviously when you take his history into account saying he has had his issues is an understatement, but yeah, was expecting way worse TBH.
That's why we need a monopoly on boxing. Otherwise we gotta figure out who can be a realistic opponent for certain fighters and deal with getting the best possible match ups a promotional company can provide. It's also why I'm against Triller. 4 major platforms is really pushing it.
A monopoly has its advantages, UFC being a perfect example, by in large the fans get to see the fights they want, the downside is the fighters get screwed. UFC's ~18% of revenue share is daylight robbery, compared to boxing's 70-80%.
I try not to waste too much time trying to rationalize some of these sanctioning body actions, we all know they are blatantly corrupt, in the sense that they will do what is best for themselves and the promoters who pay them which at the end of the day is the same thing. They follow their own rules when it suits, they'll change them when they want, or break their own rules if they can't be bothered, with no repercussions.
Now imagine a world where they set clear rules and followed them, its not too hard, that is basically the IBF and what is the result? Its delegitimized by promoters because it can't be controlled and gamed, so they enforce their mandatories, but their mandatories are often shit so people complain about that, and why are the mandos bad, because promoters won't chase the IBF ranking because it can't be gamed.
Now there are some overly egregious cases, i.e. Franchise champion, Lopez being undisputed while Haney is also champion depending on which press conference they are at, but if you think of these sanctioning bodies as the promotional companies they are, it makes more sense.