Arum/Warren Need To Remember Who They Are Trying To Screw

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Some of these comments didn't age well...especially the ones about me trying to "act like a lawyer". I guess my acting is better than some folks thought...

Arum and Haymon lost a boatload of money on the second fight, and as Arum has said the third fight didn't happen because the money wasn't there to make it. Without the gate, it would have been a risky move for Fury and an even riskier one for Wilder from a business perspective. The purses would have been something like 5mil at best, and for that Fury would risk the AJ showdown and Wilder would risk a second humiliating KO having to rebuild his brand from zero. Now they can each go make a couple million bucks fighting cans for zero risk and see how things look next year... Wilder is screwed out of trying to get his title back but that's simply how the cards fell. Arum is just upset because Fury isn't fighting in America in December; TR on ESPN's ratings have been abysmal this year, and he needs to close the year out strong with some respectable numbers. Afternoon show from the UK is not what ESPN is paying Arum for.

Do your checking better. Promoters kept moving the date back, with Warren and Arum announcing the postponement each time. Then those same promoters who moved the dates back- while assuring everyone the contract provided for the delays- now are coming back and saying time has expired. Congratulations for letting them do your thinking for you... Whatever the case nay be, there was no need for a 3rd natch any way. Why see ANOTHER domination? Waste of time to every one who is a true boxing fan. I get it for the saadists. But id rather Fury fight a top challenger or AJ. Wilder got outboxed, beat up and stopped. Next.

Doubt it has much to do with Warren, Fury would be calling the shots in that relationship. It makes you wonder what really happened with the contract, if there was language in there saying the rematch had to happen in 2020, added by Wilder's side no less, they had to know this was a likely outcome. Maybe the guarantees were so high that without live gate it would make a loss and the broadcasters wouldn't do it, although the silence from Wilder makes you wonder if hes not happy to see it drift away. The difference between Ruiz & Joshua's rematch and Fury & Wilder 2 could not have been more opposite.

Who cares. Fuck Haymon, Arum, Eddie and Warren. Fans of promoters, managers and advisors are queers. It is absolutely ridiculous! They're all the same. Just some are better at hiding it.

Last time I checked, Fury told his promoters he was ready to fight and not waiting around for Deontays legs to heal from the costume. Once Fury found out the window for the trilogy expired, he ordered his promoters to get him a fight, which they are doing. Sounds to me like his promoters are doing what they are supposed to do. Wilder got EMBARRASSED in those 2 fights anyway. No need for a third. Do your checking better. Promoters kept moving the date back, with Warren and Arum announcing the postponement each time. Then those same promoters who moved the dates back- while assuring everyone the contract provided for the delays- now are coming back and saying time has expired. Congratulations for letting them do your thinking for you...

He'll get a license as soon as he requests one. This. Fury is a superstar. The face of boxing. He does what he pleases.

Lockdown? The message you have entered is too short. Please lengthen your message to at least 10 characters. Good question. Didn't think of that to be honest.

This has nothing to do with being a "fan of promoters" This has everything to do with promoters once again shytting on fans due to greed. There's going to be EVEN MORE fights that don't get made now. And they won't get made because the already sketchy distrust between promotional outfits just took a huge kick to the groin. You think Haymon wants to hear jackshyt from Arum about a Spence vs Crawford fight now? Take a good look at several of the more glamorous weightclasses and who holds which belts and you'll start to understand the full extent of this fiasco. This is going to affect boxing for quite some time. Last time I checked, Fury told his promoters he was ready to fight and not waiting around for Deontays legs to heal from the costume. Once Fury found out the window for the trilogy expired, he ordered his promoters to get him a fight, which they are doing. Sounds to me like his promoters are doing what they are supposed to do. Wilder got EMBARRASSED in those 2 fights anyway. No need for a third.

I wonder what Fury's deal with Top Rank says? I seem to recall it being reported as for 5 fights, but Fury being coy on the details and whether it was for a certain time or number of fights. Might explain Arum being pissed? Maybe it was for 2 years and this is the last fight in his deal? If it is, then ESPN won't be happy that they got three tomato can fights out of 4. That would line up AJ nicely. Sky and BT can either bid or share the PPV. Fury can sign a two fight deal with DAZN or the pair of them can auction the rights elsewhere in the US. And it could be held in the UK.

This isn't on Arum though. He still prefers the trilogy but if Fury wants to go another direction, then he can't do nothing about it. Technically Fury is cleared to do just that.

We'll see i suppose. Hopefully Wilder might even make an appearance and let us know what his plans are. My feelings are that someone as shrewd as Bob Arum wouldn't allow Fury to skip the trilogy if he wasn't confident that he's legally in the clear. I do get the OPs point that this issue might cause friction between the rival promoters and networks, but let's face it, they hardly ever work together anyway, and I think they still will for the massive fights. Money always talks. No big disagreement here. Arum's been around a long time. And, he is a lawyer. His record in lawsuits aint that great tho. And, I do think Wilder has legal recourse if he chooses to exercise it- the question is will he? I get the risk/reward thing, the math Fury and Warren and Arum are doing. While I understand, I also think it's unethical af and may come back to bite them all in the ass. This happens A LOT in this sport.

Oh I 100% get why Fury wouldn't want to fight Wilder again. It's all risk & lil reward at this point & AJ is the golden goose & that seems more doable than ever. Anyone as confident & good as Fury is would want the big fight over the guy they just dominated. Legally if Fury can make that move in the first place is my question & I'm betting there is no hardline date that the coronavirus situation couldn't extend to a not yet expired date. We'll see i suppose. Hopefully Wilder might even make an appearance and let us know what his plans are. My feelings are that someone as shrewd as Bob Arum wouldn't allow Fury to skip the trilogy if he wasn't confident that he's legally in the clear. I do get the OPs point that this issue might cause friction between the rival promoters and networks, but let's face it, they hardly ever work together anyway, and I think they still will for the massive fights. Money always talks.

I'm waiting to see if Fury/Arum are serious or just testing the waters on the contractual leeway they have or even if Wilder does want out after having more time to consider things before I'm going to assume all TR/PBC business is dead off of this recent situation. I feel like this could be a situation where Fury makes a fight & Wilder's Team is able to kill it due to the contract & this is all about nothing or gaining leverage/testing boundaries. I think they are serious. I think they don't want to risk Wilder landing similar to how he did the first fight and ruining the All Brit showdown. My point in this thread is that Arum sees this as a no lose proposition because either the PBC continues doing business as usual (which I highly doubt) or they stop entertaining the idea of any big cross platform fights. Someone said the big fights will still happen if the money is there. Maybe. But, if boxing has taught us anything the last decade or two is that a whole lot of big fights don't get made regardless of whether or not the money is there. Sometimes there's beefs between networks and promotional outfits that nix any chance of big fights. Sometimes promoters protect fighters. I think here, we have the potential for both and more.

I'm waiting to see if Fury/Arum are serious or just testing the waters on the contractual leeway they have or even if Wilder does want out after having more time to consider things before I'm going to assume all TR/PBC business is dead off of this recent situation. I feel like this could be a situation where Fury makes a fight & Wilder's Team is able to kill it due to the contract & this is all about nothing or gaining leverage/testing boundaries. I think it's simple. Team Fury know that the AJ fight will make a hell of a lot of money, they're confident they'll win, and they know they'll probably be a rematch which will generate another boat load of cash. Fury is in his prime right now, is in the shape of his life, and sees Joshua as his legacy fight. Personally I think that Wilder deserves a rematch due to his long reign as champion, however I completely understand Fury wanting to move on, he's already wasted some of his prime years, he can't afford to waste more.

Arum is an ex lawyer and been in the sport about 60 years I think he knows what he’s doing more than some s.hitkicker on a forum

Again, we will see about whether this ends up in court or not. The point of this thread isn't about that tho, but you can deflect all you like being a moderator and all. Just a piece of advice...if you are put in a position of responsibility, you should hold yourself to a higher standard than everyone else, not a lower one. Peace. First of all, I'm not a moderator and I've never claimed to be one, so I'm not sure where you've got that idea from. And even if I was, moderators are allowed an opinion on boxing, and they don't have to hold themselves up to any standards. This isn't a democracy, it's a privately owned website and the moderators/admins can do or say anything they like. PBC will work with Arum/ESPN if the money is right, that won't change.

It's not just PBC Fury is screwing over it's also ESPN. ESPN isn't paying Fury all that money to fight overseas in the early evening on the app going up against college football on ESPN. Fury vs Wilder is the only PPV fight ESPN has. From what I'm hearing Bob Arum isn't happy with Fury's decision. Completely agree that ESPN cannot be happy with this either. And this may hurt co-broadcasts between FOX and ESPN down the road as well. You're FOX, and you know ESPN has a 100 million dollar contract with Fury, only to have him do this? There's a lot of folks not understanding the long-term ripples from this...

Honestly, after listening to a interview with Bob yesterday...sounds like most of this is Frank Warren and Tyson Fury call NOT Arum! Frank and Tyson knows the amount of money they can make if they speed things up and make the Fights with AJ and they're right that is a bigger fight back in the UK for them absolutely so I totally understand why they want out of Wilder Trilogy and to start working towards that fight