I'm a Fury fan but

The Joshua-Fury fight isn't a moneyspinner as much people think it will be. In fact, I kinda feel it wouldn't do all that much better than Wilder-Fury 3. For some reason, I just don't think Joshua or Fury have really captured the imagination of the boxing community outside of the UK. Unless they charged like £50 for it (which wouldn't surprise me if they do) then I don't think it really does more than $150m. I also don't know how much Arum actually trusts the Saudi's delivering on their promises. Unless the escrow talk was simply talk, it makes it already seem apparent Arum didn't believe the money was on the table. Using escrow doesn't show anything, you think they hand them a $60 million cheque after the fights finished or something. Escrow is usual for big deals in business. Plus the Saudi money is pretty much know isn't it, it was massive without relying on PPV as I heard it.

Maybe Fury never got over the kicking Joshua gave him in sparring in 2012

Sounds like most of Fury's guidance is done by MTK, for the two Joshua fights Hearn would be the lead promoter and those fights would probably earn way more than anything else he could do in his career, especially if he wins the first. Which raises the question of why wouldn't Arum want to make the Joshua fight, the second Wilder fight didn't make much if any money apparently, so the third could be a bloodbath financially and if his deal with Arum is up Fury would be free to cut him out for the big money fights. I guess access to ESPN in the US is the main thing Arum brings but the Saudis are paying anyway. Who knows, but screwing up, so the last fight on Fury's contract is a loss maker with two massive paydays ready to go is unfortunate timing it would seem. The Joshua-Fury fight isn't a moneyspinner as much people think it will be. In fact, I kinda feel it wouldn't do all that much better than Wilder-Fury 3. For some reason, I just don't think Joshua or Fury have really captured the imagination of the boxing community outside of the UK. Unless they charged like £50 for it (which wouldn't surprise me if they do) then I don't think it really does more than $150m. I also don't know how much Arum actually trusts the Saudi's delivering on their promises. Unless the escrow talk was simply talk, it makes it already seem apparent Arum didn't believe the money was on the table.

he won't face AJ. I think he wins and all but just like he ducked David Price he will duck AJ. Its like Khan avoiding Brook all these years. He'd rather get killed than to lose to a fellow Brit. He despises AJ and is jealous of him imo and couldn't handle the thought of losing to him. This is all very true but it doesn't really negate the fact that he couldnt make the arbitrator rule in his favour.

I think Fury and AJ would both fight each other but I don't think Arum and Warren want that fight. It's weird to me because I think Fury would win pretty easily but there is maybe a 20% risk factor and I think those guys see that as too big a risk. Boxing politics are at the fore of this and there's a lot of people in the sport who are DESPERATE to hinder Eddie Hearn in any way. I think Fury is on his last fight with Arum, he definatley shouldn't re sign, if him, AJ and Hearn sit down over a coffee they will finalise a deal in 15 minutes that works for everyone imho. Sounds like most of Fury's guidance is done by MTK, for the two Joshua fights Hearn would be the lead promoter and those fights would probably earn way more than anything else he could do in his career, especially if he wins the first. Which raises the question of why wouldn't Arum want to make the Joshua fight, the second Wilder fight didn't make much if any money apparently, so the third could be a bloodbath financially and if his deal with Arum is up Fury would be free to cut him out for the big money fights. I guess access to ESPN in the US is the main thing Arum brings but the Saudis are paying anyway. Who knows, but screwing up, so the last fight on Fury's contract is a loss maker with two massive paydays ready to go is unfortunate timing it would seem.

I don’t know, he did sign for a fight with AJ, and if that judge didn’t force a fight with wilder then he would be fighting AJ right now. Fury is overrated as a boxer, he’s rubbish, BUT one thing I credit him with is the fact he fights anyone anywhere and has a lot of courage. Not sure about the fights anyone anywhere, sure he fought Wlad in Germany and Wilder in the US, but he has had his share of no shows, Wlad rematch, agreed to fight Whyte then bailed a couple days later. Boxers love to talk that "I'll fight anyone anywhere" talk, which I always find a bit silly from a professional, they always leave out the "if it makes sense for my career". You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a 10% split contract -> I aint signing that, the deals gotta be right. You'll fight anyone huh, OK here's a dude from nowhereistan, 2 & 12 guy no one has heard of that can't seel a ticket - > I aint signing that, whats he do for me? With enough money on the line I think any boxers fight anyone anywhere, even if it means selling their "0".

I'm not convinced Fury knew what was up. I mean why does Fury sign the contract to fight AJ if he's not going to fight AJ? I think Bob mighta been on his own sh^t here idk. Randomly is there any chance Fury can be sued for signing a deal when he can't fulfill it? I suspect there could be damages involved in Fury (& maybe Bob if he signed anything) being on the hook for some expenses or damages or w/e in legalese could be in play in a lawsuit for failing to fulfill an obligation or pretending they could fulfill an obligation & wasting one parties side. Idk just thinking outloud, could be nothing there with that, but it kinda seems like a situation where there could be lawsuits not unlike Floyd suing over that failed Logan Paul date/venue situation. I could definitely imagine some legal exposure from various parties, maybe Fury against Arum (or Arum's legal rep) if they straight up screwed up getting out of the rematch clause, if Arum's rationale was "We didn't explicitly extinguish the rematch officially because we thought it had expired" and the arbitrator cited that as the reason for granting a rematch (just speculating), thats the type of thing legal counsel get sued for all the time, they screwed up & cost their client millions, then their professional indemnity insurance could have to pay. Less so from Hearn against Arum I would think, Hearn is on record as knowing their was ongoing arbitration, he may have relied on representations from Arum that it wouldn't be an issue, but that sounds more like an opinion than fact. Saudis would probably be in the strongest position legally, but doubt they would take any action, as with any of them, the upside from suing would be measured against the downside of poisoning the relationship, the Saudis probably still want the fight, Fury wants to work with Arum etc.

What’s Fury supposed to do? Go against the judge and get sued? Hearn said Fury signed the contract to fight AJ.

I do think the fact Fury signed to fight Joshua pretty much shows he'd do it, if he really didn't want to fight Joshua the rematch clause was the perfect excuse, no need to go to arbitration etc, its literally the perfect excuse. However if it is actually true that Arum/Fury could have terminated the agreement in December but didn't, it does raise questions, I tend to think its incompetence on Arum's part though. Makes sense. Obviously if we had all the information we'd know for sure. But I think you make a solid point.

I know. It's like people live in an alternate reality where money, laws, and other objective factors simply do not exist. Like boxers are in high school and must fight the other tough guys for cred. I do think the fact Fury signed to fight Joshua pretty much shows he'd do it, if he really didn't want to fight Joshua the rematch clause was the perfect excuse, no need to go to arbitration etc, its literally the perfect excuse. However if it is actually true that Arum/Fury could have terminated the agreement in December but didn't, it does raise questions, I tend to think its incompetence on Arum's part though.

It's not Fury's fault that the arbitrator ruled in Wilder's favor. Correct. The fault was that he (or his representative) was breaching a contract. That's what put a hold on his, Wilder's, Joyce and Usyk's careers. And many others down the chain.

Wouldn't surprise me look at Crawford Spence, remember Hatton Witter, Khan Brook sometimes the bragging rights are worth more than the extra millions Besides I'm certain Arum swore revenge on Hearn after the Lopez purse bids he was pissed and Warren can't stand him they would be happy not doing business at least until Joshua's stock has fallen and Hearn comes begging You might be right. I just cannot believe anyone would leave that sort of money on the table because of revenge. I guess you are right with the number of fights that’s gone that way too.

It's not Fury's fault that the arbitrator ruled in Wilder's favor. I know. It's like people live in an alternate reality where money, laws, and other objective factors simply do not exist. Like boxers are in high school and must fight the other tough guys for cred.

I've always said Fury won't fight Joshua. He may be the better boxer, but Joshua is just not the right type of fighter for him. I also said that the July/August fight never made any sense due to layoffs, timing, weather. But I'm still disappointed because it seemed like it might just happen against the odds. I don't think it will happen now. Fury dances to his own tune. He fights who he wants to fight. He wins belts, walks away from rematches, challenges people and gets fights ordered only to walk away again. Basically he does what he wants. I can actually respect that. He decides what he's worth and what he wants to do. Just don't try to convince me that he's the kind of guy who takes on all comers. He takes calculated risks, and if they pay off he takes his money and his belt and he runs off shouting about how great he is. Seems to be working for him. And who am I to argue?

He’ll fight him. Just not at the moment. I always thought that Fury wouldn’t fight him coming off such a long lay off.

Wouldn't surprise me look at Crawford Spence, remember Hatton Witter, Khan Brook sometimes the bragging rights are worth more than the extra millions Besides I'm certain Arum swore revenge on Hearn after the Lopez purse bids he was pissed and Warren can't stand him they would be happy not doing business at least until Joshua's stock has fallen and Hearn comes begging

Why would anyone leave that amount of money on the table in a AJ fight to make 1/3 of it in a Wilder fight? He was obviously blindsided too. He thought he can do what he wants, he was probably told he doesn’t need to fight Wilder as the contract is done. Seriously boxers are left out of the loop a lot of times, recently Shakur Stevenson was arguing with Hearn and Josh Warrington on social media, not knowing that Andre ward turned down an offer for him without even notifying him. He ended up looking like a mug, now he doesn’t work with Andre ward anymore. So you might end up seeing Fury being a free man contractually very soon. Because he must not be very happy that Arum cost him a lot of money.

It's not Fury's fault that the arbitrator ruled in Wilder's favor.

I don't get how he can hate Haye so much for pulling out when his history of avoiding competition and pulling out is on par. Lets not forget he ducked Price, period. He pulled out of fighting Ustinov and Wladimir. He will never fight AJ IMHO (just speculation). I don't think he could live with losing to him. He'd probably end up doing something silly if he lost to him.