I'm impressed that you put forth the effort to dissect Cotto's resume. Moreso than the mexicans that bash him on every thread he's mentioned on. I surely don't need to fact check, coz I do not care what anyone thinks. Bottomline, Cotto is the one calling the shots right now, with his less than impressive record. So take your whiney ass elsewhere.
You guys are so close, yet so far. Floyd is setting the stage. Controversy sells. He is starting the smack talking now, he is gonna say no, no and no to cotto/arum once a day and twice on Sundays. He know that he can't cement his so called legacy w/o taking on the biggest challenge of his career. If Cotto beats shane on Saturday that will propel him to be the #2 WW in the world. Floyd knows what he is doing. I do not like the guy, I do respect his skills. He can't hang around dodge city all day long, Cotto will become Mayor of that City sooner rather than later.
**** may gone be on cottos ass like a cheap suit. May gonna beat his ass up in the pocket, just as he did, mosley, and ortiz.... Ortiz was bigger and stronger with better footwork, and not to mention faster, and he was getting his ass tagged all night long. This is gonna be ugly guys.... This is cottos last fight....
You actually believe the ish you type? Ever heard of: one thing is allow people to think that you are stupid and another is to open your mouth and confirm it? You are the poster child!
No, just no. Oscar SUCKED in that fight and was still somewhat competitive, he didn't cut off the ring Floyd stopped. Oscar didn't use his jab re-watch the fight, he actually threw MORE in the 7th and 8th and those are the rounds he won the most clearly. He hit Floyd with jabs like crazy and he has a soft touch jab, nothing like Cotto's. And guess what... Floyd never even countered it, he jabbed back to counter it but he hardly jabs himself so it did nothing for him.
Floyd didn't win by throwing over anyones jab because Oscar hardly threw it, and because Oscar was JUST like Ortiz. He followed him until Mayweather sat himself in the ropes and then both of them just dropped their hands and starting swinging. Floyd then just straight right countered when they just got so excited they had Floyd in the ropes. He played them like a fiddle, the problem for Floyd is Cotto is smarter than both of those guys, especially now.
Yes, he did it against Manny and Clottey and gassed himself out. He also actually knows how to cut off the ring and won't be fooled OVER and OVER by that tactic. Look at what Cotto did to Judah, Floyd is not Zab Judah but their styles are going to be similar in the sense that Cotto will be the aggressor and Floyd will be countering. Zab got eaten alive by Cotto's jab because he THROWS IT ALL THE TIME and magically no one has been able to stop him from using it. Floyd CAN but saying "oh he'll just counter it" is ignorant because Cotto throws his jab like Floyd's right, he never pulls his shoulder back to throw it (like does with the right) and Cotto is always rolling his shoulders especially with his left hand. Floyd is fast but his right is not going to get there quicker than Cotto's left jab, sorry. BTW, this is why Cotto has a shot, he isn't a plodder like idiots make him out to be.
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Most of those over right counters that Floyd throws is against a short jab or a touchy feely jab. Cotto has a laser left jab that threw both Judah and Mosley of their games. Floyd ain't no sucker, for sure... but we'll know come fight who's is more effective.
This means that Floyd is pulling another publicity stunt that may backfire. If he's betting on being rejected and the opposite occurs, he may have set himself up to fail. 8oz gloves will hurt more when his ribs are pounded.
Kudos to Floyd for trying to show himself more aggressive but Cotto's counter punching is under rated. Cotto may very well be the worst opponent for Floyd to choose to take more chances than normal.
I hope he can lose the weight and do so without putting himself at risk. If not, Salido will KO him sooner. Draining himself will also affect his ability to withstand punches.
He needs to re-evaluate his career, if he moves up with his Prima Donna attitude, he will be sent into retirement soon.
The PR boxing commission requires him to be at or below 144.9 30 days before the fight. According to team Juanma, they are on track to make the weight comfortably. They wanted to come in a tad under the 30 day limit, which they did.
Ward running? Ward is the one that was in the trenches for two years, while Bute was cherry picking. I do think that Dirrel will beat Bute. Bute would outpoint Froch though. I'll favor Froch over any banger, not against a boxer.
Mandatory or not, Showtime does not have to change their stance coz the IBF stepped in.
I say, let them fight. Dirrel can take on another fight and then challenge the bute/froch winner.
Cotto could make 147 if he really wanted to. Back when he was in his uncles boxing gym, he had 2 hour daily sessions from what I experienced. I don't know if that slowly increased at the peak of his training. I don't know if that has changed either since he has abandoned training in PR and has moved his camps to Florida. Maybe he drained himself at 40 for so long that he stays away from it. He used to drain himself to a point that he was in a bad mood till right after the weigh in and did that up to the Paulie fight.
He has a cook that he takes with him to training camp and he takes care of his diet.
I would think that Kirkland would be the biggest threat to Cotto in LMW. I agree that the fight can go so many ways but suspect that one of 2 is the most likely. Kirkland gets caught coming in and laid out or he pushes cotto back and overwhlelms him. The carrot head is big and would be tough for Cotto for 12 rounds. All the others I see very beatable.
Hardly 2nd best. Maybe lock in the HOF'er status. He would need more than floyd to reach best or 2nd best of out era/time.. I agree with the Manny rematch. Maybe beat a few of the young guns...
We all know the pacquio fight ain't gana happen on may 5
So who would you like mayweather to fight. Everyone is complaining they don't like a mayweather - cotto fight. So who do u want
Please don't say pacquio.
Funny how you claim that everyone is complaining they don't want to see floyd vs cotto and all responses but one did say Cotto. The pactard doesn't count. Who would be the "everyone"?
I too would love to see Floyd vs Cotto. I still think that Cotto has a good chance to beat up floyd, hence why Floyd has avoided him for years. Cotto does have problems with pressure fighters, something that money is not. Floyd's defense will only take him so far. Albeit Floyd is a few leagues ahead of the Paulie from yesteryear, that is how I see this fight panning out. Floyd does not have the power to keep Cotto from coming at him. Cotto won't fall for that check hook, off the turn buckle move that laid Ricky out.
I'd say that every boxer that has achieved any fame in this sport has delusional fans. So if we were to follow that same logic, I suppose we can conclude that every pugilist that gets named in this forum should be equally dissed on.
I don't buy that nonsense. Coz Cotto has been called many negative names, most if not all of them do not hold much water. He's been said to have a weak chin. How many times has he had encounters with the canvas? He's said to be slow, He surely isn't the fastest but his timing makes up for the lack of speed. He's said to not be able to fight backwards, he's proved it more than once, Margarito being the most recent. He's said to not have footwork. etc....
Bottom line is, the guy is not second tier, he's got better names on his resume than most top P4P boxers today. What would Floyd, nonito, martinez be? 3rd tier? We can compare records all day long and we'll see then who is delusional. I too am a fan and am not blind. I think it's stupid for him to move up to fight Chavez, he's too small and the size difference will probably be to much. I do think that he has as good a chance as anyone to take on Floyd, more so 3-4 years ago. The whole pacquiao argument, can be seen several ways. I won't put up excuses for Cotto, he got spanked by Manny. I do think that a rematch will not look or seem the same, even if it's in a losing effort.
As mentioned earlier, Pwill will not pressure cotto as Margarito did. Cotto will plant his feet and rip him left hooks to the ribcage all day. Pwill we be pissing blood for weeks. Besides pwill is just throwing bait out there to see if Cotto bites.
Good analygy i forgot about Cottos patience and although thats something i've dislike about Cotto, it could help him in this fight.
I just don't think Cotto hits hard enough to bother Floyd upstairs.
But if Cotto has a good body attack in plan he will give Floyd trouble.
Did you start watching boxing yesterday? Patience is a skill that keeps a boxer level headed, specially against a mind master like Mayweather.
Cotto doesn't hit hard enough? If cotto has a good body attack in his plan?
I'm speechless.
I don't think that much of Williams, never have. I do think that Williams should call GBP's bluff. GBP is trying to get Canelo's name out there ahead of this Sept PPV. Since Ortiz has disappointed Oscar, the new GBP "Cash Cow" and face is Canelo. Oscar himself in '09 went to Mexico to sell this kid a dream.
I do think the kid has a future in boxing, I don't think that Oscar is the promoter to bring him along. He will mismatch him sooner rather than later and he will ruin another kids career.
His role is to be there for Cotto. Make his shakes n stuff. Cotto and him have developed a good relationship and he probably still plays a big roll in Cotto's training, albeit perhaps having to share responsibilities with Diaz and the guys Diaz brought in.
Yeah I don't think anyone would argue against that.
Something else that I have wondered is Cotto's nutrition. Being that his mother, at least from what I understand, is doing the cooking for the team, I wonder how that is regulated or supervised by Landman or maybe even Diaz. I know how PR women/momz get down in the kitchen, so it peaked my curiosity to know what they are actually eating. IDK and I'm not even sure how long she has played that role--food for thought...
I know cotto has used a chef in the past. Maybe he gave mama cotto a crash course on what to and what not to do. It aint no different than most boxers, they get a diet from their nutritionist and stick to it. Someone gotta do da cookin!
Khan has not gotten weaker, the opposition is just better. He's not all that he's been built up to be. I don't like Devon much but I do see him sparking Khan. His chin couldn't hold up at 40, it's going to be worse at 47.
Some of you cats are delusional. I'm no floyd fan but my hat is off to him, he whooped guerrero.
That whole "neglected defense" argument is just more bs. A boxer with floyds skills does his craft in his sleep. So yall need to get out of here with that bs. All the selective posting and fanatism is unreal. How can Floyd be the kind of fighter that adjusts on the fly, but allmof a sudden when he gets b1tchslapped all night with jabs by Cotto, he all of a sudden disregarded his D in camp. Wait, I know, floydie ihas always been an offensive force and isn't naturally a defensive fighter. His shoulder roll is a front for his offendive elbow, I see.
No one can dipute that he beat Cotto, but to undermine that he gave Floyd his hardest fight since the Castillo I scrap, is crazy. That being said,, floyd humbling guerrero the way he did, has just risen Cotto's stock, hence the chatter now.
Now we all wait for more floyd drama to unfold untill his next fight.
Funny how these kind of threads become about race. I'm so tired of the bashing back and forth. You want to make noise and taunt, fine do so. Why bash countries?
In all reality, everyone here is wrong in terms of the nationality subject. Like it or not, ricans are americans. Whether we chose it or it was imposed on us, we are. Therefore, Rocky and Danny are american. It's not about where you are born as much as it's cultural.
How many "ricans" in NY have a clue about Puerto Rico's culture? Not many. for the most part, they can even barely speak spanish if any at all.That's why they are referred to as Nuyorican. I was born in NY and raised in PR. So it's not like i'm bashing nuyoricans, just calling it as it is. The rican influence in NY, is not what is used to be, but it's still there.
Funny the "mexicans" here disown the guerrero's and bam bam's of the world. They are quick to stomp on the others opponents and defend those non mexicans though. Margarito is mexican, right? At least most claim he is. He wasn't born in Mexico though.
Yall need to take your ignorant asses to school and educate yourselves instead of jockeying from your keyboards, spewing ***** when it's convenient. I could easily take a crack at ya'll and throw out there that you guys can keep your boxing as it seems it's the only thing that Mexicans can brag about. We'll keep all the other disciplines we excel at.
This place gets stupid.
Yes, Burgos won. There is no doubt in my mind. I hope Rocky does give him a rematch as he deserves it. I like Rocky, coz he comes to fight, limited skill set but tons of heart.
People are looking into this too deeply. All the man said is that he did not blow up after the Margo fight and that he's in an ideal weight to focus on training and not weight loss. He'll shed the 15 lbs w/o any problems and he won't have to kill himself doing it.
Those Cotto haters can go on ranting about junk till May 5th, I truly believe history will be made and Floyd won't be the one celebrating. I just hope it's a tough fight for both and they get their due props.
Cotto was not stronger then Mosley,Mayweather was stronger then Mosley..Cotto has been discourage in his fights with Pac and Marga's..Just a few examples,does this make you feel better??Of course fights are not won or lost on what I or you think,but we are both on this site giving are opinions none the less right??Floyd has become some what of a pressure fighter as well,look how he beat Mosley and Ortiz..Not as much movement coming from May,he is going to school Cotto,I was not really impressed with Cotto in his last fight with Marga's either..Marga's had one eye and Cotto was still backing straight back,and his conditioning was still nothing to write home about..There is nothing I've seen from Cotto in his last 4 fights that makes me believe he has a shot to beat May..This is still a guy who(imo)lost to Clottey or,if ya believe he won he did it by the skin of his teeth..
wasn't trying to pick on you, just that people writing off Cotto out of personal opinion as opposed to facts. I'll give you those 2 fights, not only was he discouraged, both of them beat him down. Floyd isn't either and that's the difference. Although Floyd has been a bit more offensive as of late, and probably won't change that at first against Cotto. Why should he? He is faster and is an excellent counter puncher. If Cotto brings that superb timing, his speed may be annulled. A bit more offensive is a far cry from a pressure fighter. Margarito couldn't see out of one eye, not that he was missing a leg. He pressured forward and Cotto chose to RUN backwards as opposed to circle him frequently. Actually I'd say it was better than it has been in the past few years. He was running back, albeit fighting effectively, he was in a 5th reverse gear. Yes he beat Clottey by the skin of his teeth, no doubt. That was a period when Cotto was at his worst in his career and he still scraped by a top rated WW. If it was a non troubled Cotto, he would have won a clearer decision, I truly doubt he would have KO'd Clottey.
I do disagree about what Cotto has shown. He has shown that he has gotten his personal life somewhat together (divorce, sex scandal, quarrel with uncle, dads death, etc). He has a solid corner and support group around him and he isn't killing himself to make weight. All that in my opinion equates to a better and more focused Cotto than a few years past, which spells trouble for Floyd.
Let them sell Martinez vs Cotto to people that don't know anything about boxing. Those of us with real interest in true fights, know that if they want to talk about Cotto vs Martinez then they have to talk about Martinez vs Golovkin first. If Cotto wants to move to 160 that's his choice and he has the right to do that but if he wants to fight for a world tittle at 160 then he has to prove himself first, like everybody else.
Mr Boxing, you kinda shot yourself in the foot. When was the last time someone had to prove themselves when jumping weight divisions? For years, all they've needed is the hype and they would fight for a strap in their first bout.
Your Sergio/GGG theory has holes in it too.. GGG hasn't really proved himself yet. I like the kid and his crowd pleasing style, but he needs to fight legit MW's. It looks like father time has caught up with Sergio, so he wants to cash out with as little damage as possible. So the "Big 3 (or little 3)" makes sense, coz those guys are the cash cows right now.
Some of you guys clearly don't know much of boxing or have selective memories. Floyd could sell out as much as Bradley before his fight with Oscar. So who has fed off of who? Cotto was an attraction before he fought Floyd, he didn't need him to put asses in seats. What he did do was benefit from the payday, though.
Oscar was doing his job, selling the fight. Can the ghost pull a Berto on Floyd? Who knows. Floyd skill level is much superior to Berto, so it'll be harder. All I do know is that I'll enjoy watching the scrap.
I'm am kinda split on this. This whole time Danny and his dad have been Philly this and philly that. Now some marketeer probably said, hey moe dollahs if you tap into the PR fight scene as right now, they are hurting.
Danny is a phillydelphian at heart, not rican. Even Angel's spanish is ****ed. We do have many ignorant nationalists in PR that follow people just to follow and they are toting a PR flag.
For those that don't know **** about Puerto Rican heritage, culture or history needs to limit their remarks to boxing or get their facts straight. I don't have a problem with someone being born outside of PR and claiming their heritage because that's what they want. I do, when it'$ beneficial to them. Point in case Marc Anthony. That ***** speaks the language, embraces the culture and has made a point to claim his heritage, even with all the push back he has had.
Point in case, I think he should remain a phillydican and call it a day. I'll follow him regardless coz he his boxing has won me over as a fan, not where he is born or what he claims.