The Man, The Myth, The Legend...... Miguel Cotto.

Nope, Cotto's a slave to that 3-fight contract, so he has to go out one more time. He'll definitely be looking for a lighter touch though so he can retire with a 'W'.

I tried to tell you all. Cotto looks amazing against C and D level competition. But when he steps up to an elite fighter he comes up short. Canelo may have retired this man tonight.

Cool thread :lol1:

Dude Sergio Martinez lost to murray and you know it yep, but he didn't come from long layoff (retirement to be exact)

A hoodlum, wanna be gangster, g, etc a pos. One who tried to use deadly force by the way. But because he's black you're the typical ignorant moron who paints him as some little angel with a halo above his head. I've stated where people's true focus should be and we don't do anything about it. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13528899 Your banned account: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/member.php?u=100199 Now fuck off asswhipe. I care no longer what you post. I stand by my opinions. I explained why. Not racist. You're just upset cause I called you Meatball after defending myself.

:lol1::lol1: A lot? Show me. When you're non black and you do bad ass things, you get questioned. That's the way it is. Black boxers aren't getting shit for cheating. Slaps on the wrist constantly while latin boxers get years of punishment. Because he's not black. Just imagine if he was? With his accomplishments, he'd be top 10 ATG. He faced just about anyone and when you do, the opponent's fan base tend to overdo it and grow hate. Another thing, the Roytards felt like he was taking some public shine out of Jones' greatness from fighting cops. A hoodlum, wanna be gangster, g, etc a pos. One who tried to use deadly force by the way. But because he's black you're the typical ignorant moron who paints him as some little angel with a halo above his head. I've stated where people's true focus should be and we don't do anything about it. http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?p=13528899 Your banned account: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/member.php?u=100199 Now fuck off asswhipe. I care no longer what you post.

You make some very good points. I thought Cotto when he was younger was a smart and entertaining fighter with some good skills, but I must admit, that I never thought he was getting to a "great" status. He never had the wins that Tito had who took down a 23-year-old Yori Boy Campas who was 56-0(50) and who no one wanted to fight, an undefeated, young Oba Carr, a young, undefeated De La Hoya, a young undefeated Vargas, an undefeated David Reid and flattened once-beaten Joppy. You just knew when Tito got in there, it was on and he did not mind fighting anybody. He also never won a "vacant" title. I have nothing against Cotto, but all-time great? He will be in the hall of fame, but possibly more on the fame and accomplishments as far as titles rather than substance. Let's see what he does against a young and once-beaten Canelo. Might change my mind. cotto deserves hall of fame. great career. but great career doesn't automatically mean great fighter.

But Gatti is a great fighter though.. Gatti had 4 "fights of the year" under his belt and should have been 5 with the the comeback KO win over Rodriguez, thats 5 "fights of the year" in an 8 year span, while fighters like Pacquiao/Mayweather have 0. He also was involved in a "fight of the decade" with Micky. Wins and losses and who've you beaten are not a true indicator of greatness but rather its just a record to show who is best. Gatti for sure wasn't the best or maybe even close to being the best but for damn sure he always gave it all he had and showed the fans a heart of true greatness. Gatti displayed courage, bravery, will, guts, determination, and a massive heart, all characteristics of greatness. great fights doesn't mean great fighter. pac and floyd stunk out the joint. matthysse and prov put on a great fight. gatti is no great fighter. resume wise or skill wise. not even good. wins and losses, taken as a whole, broad picture, gives you a good idea.

That's a pretty damning criteria. But let's use it on everybody, shall we? How 'bout ODLH? Who did HE beat who went on a run and was top caliber? Rafael Ruelas? Miguel A. Gonzalez? Pretty much crashed and burned after losses to Oscar. The rest were either over-the-hill dudes, or Trinidad-ruined leftovers. As you can see... if we try hard enough, we can shoot holes in just about any resume. ;) say delahoya. his losses. eye test. i seen delahoya look good vs. prime great tito. when he fights "GOOD" fighters most the time he looks a level above.

There's very few valid and robust rebuttals. Very few. Whether I ignore a case for cotto or not is irrelevant. All you or any cotto fan have to do is list all of cotto accomplishments. This is a forum for debate not American idol. Anyone can make their points. Don't care if cotto is in hof. He will get in. Hof doesn't mean you're great though. Isn't gatti in? But Gatti is a great fighter though.. Gatti had 4 "fights of the year" under his belt and should have been 5 with the the comeback KO win over Rodriguez, thats 5 "fights of the year" in an 8 year span, while fighters like Pacquiao/Mayweather have 0. He also was involved in a "fight of the decade" with Micky. Wins and losses and who've you beaten are not a true indicator of greatness but rather its just a record to show who is best. Gatti for sure wasn't the best or maybe even close to being the best but for damn sure he always gave it all he had and showed the fans a heart of true greatness. Gatti displayed courage, bravery, will, guts, determination, and a massive heart, all characteristics of greatness.

lmao..........

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completely different.. try again.. Dude Sergio Martinez lost to murray and you know it

If we're giving credit to Cotto for beating Martínez, I think we should remember the GOAT Macho Camacho and give him his dues for being the only one to knock out Sugar Ray Leonard then. completely different.. try again..

Cotto was below average at 140 , above average at 147 and everything above welterweight is average I mean he beat a crippled foreman for that bogus title and followed that up with Margrito and Mayorga before losing to Mayweather and trout He has been on a nice little 3 fight streak which he won by stoppage so that's clouding people judgment, he will lose to Canelo and people will call for him to retire again

Lol murder! 187! Total destruction. Left hook has those guys scrambling through their favorite king cotto highlight reels just to feel better :lol1:

I know who cotto fought. Don't mistake me for some guy who thinks he has a bad resume because I don't know the guys names. I know most of the known guys he fought. He has a solid resume. Nothing great. Winning a fight or two after means little. If they went on a run and was top caliber still then that would show they were still good. That's a pretty damning criteria. But let's use it on everybody, shall we? How 'bout ODLH? Who did HE beat who went on a run and was top caliber? Rafael Ruelas? Miguel A. Gonzalez? Pretty much crashed and burned after losses to Oscar. The rest were either over-the-hill dudes, or Trinidad-ruined leftovers. As you can see... if we try hard enough, we can shoot holes in just about any resume. ;)

Then we're probably not as far apart as I thought. IMO, Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez were all better and more accomplished than Cotto. Where we differ is on the resume itself. Go back through Cotto's early fights. If you know the names, you'll see Cotto very early on, took on some difficult names early in his career. 180-degree difference from someone like Canelo, who gets hyped for his record. Now THERE'S a soft resume with holes all over it. You dismiss Judah and Mosley. I don't. I already posted how they went on to significant victories after losing to Cotto. I know who cotto fought. Don't mistake me for some guy who thinks he has a bad resume because I don't know the guys names. I know most of the known guys he fought. He has a solid resume. Nothing great. Winning a fight or two after means little. If they went on a run and was top caliber still then that would show they were still good.

The Myth Miguel Cotto fights everyone. A warrior who fought everyone. Really? Miguel Cotto has had one of the most "PROMOTER CREATED" careers in boxing. Top Rank matchmakers had to work overtime to get him his belts. His 1st 3 belts were all vacant titles. He won the vacant WBO 140 belt fighting Kelson Pinto. He won the vacant WBC 147 belt fighting Carlos Quintana. He won the vacant WBO 147 belt fighting Michael Jennings. The 1st time he won a belt from a "CHAMPION" was cherrypicking Yuri Foreman. Cotto never tried to unify and fight another "CHAMPION". People thought Cotto was fighting everyone because he fought Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Antonio Margarito 2007-2008. Judah hadn't won in 2 years when Cotto fought him. Winless in his 3 previous fights. Mosley was 36 yrs. old and people thought he was washed up after going 1W-4L-1NC 2002-2004. Margarito had just lost the previous year to Paul Williams and let's be honest Cotto and handlers thought Margarito was too slow and unskilled. Lol murder! 187!

See this is the problem. Never said he wasn't hof. Never said he wasn't a big draw. Nothing to do with his money. This is about cotto but not toward cotto. We are talking resume, legacy in the sport. It doesn't take much energy to talk cotto resume. Maybe difficult if you try to portray him as some all time great though. He doesn't have the accomplishments. Then we're probably not as far apart as I thought. IMO, Trinidad, Gomez, Benitez were all better and more accomplished than Cotto. Where we differ is on the resume itself. Go back through Cotto's early fights. If you know the names, you'll see Cotto very early on, took on some difficult names early in his career. 180-degree difference from someone like Canelo, who gets hyped for his record. Now THERE'S a soft resume with holes all over it. You dismiss Judah and Mosley. I don't. I already posted how they went on to significant victories after losing to Cotto.