Naazim Richardson: Ward has not shown yet what he has.

I think a win over dawson at 175 is better than a win over dawson at 168. It would make ward a champion in 2 divisions. Floyd is rguably the best in 2 divisionsright now, which is what ward would be if that fight was at 175. Its not nitpicking, its comprehensive analysis So isn't saying that Floyd in the last 2 years hasn't cleaned out a weight class, while Ward has the same??:thinking:

What does a fighter have to do to surpass ya bwoy. Ward just basically cleaned out 168 & beat up the division best in Dawson. You point out that (well he didn't do it at 175). So then since you decide to nitpick that, I return your medicine then you get all mad & $h1t cause you don't like that. Isn't Abraham a newly crowned champion at 168?? I don't get what you were pulling for there. I understand how you feel bro, I really do. I hated when people bashed the Punisher lol!! But I'm big enough to not call people pathetic (especially when they hit me with the truth). Anyhow, if you're done, be easy bro!!:boxing: I think a win over dawson at 175 is better than a win over dawson at 168. It would make ward a champion in 2 divisions. Floyd is rguably the best in 2 divisionsright now, which is what ward would be if that fight was at 175. Its not nitpicking, its comprehensive analysis

Man you go from well thought to pathetic faster than a porsche goes 0-60. not give ward his due just because I said he's #2? Geez man how do you equate that to knocking him?. Hanging on to the LHW thing? If he won the LHW belt he'd be the champion in 2 different division,instead of 1, JUST AS FLOYD IS!! I'll end here, its always good to debate you when you are in the right frame of mind. But when you start using Ortiz performance after he fought floyd then its time to go. Oh yeah, how has Abraham looked after Ward? What does a fighter have to do to surpass ya bwoy. Ward just basically cleaned out 168 & beat up the division best in Dawson. You point out that (well he didn't do it at 175). So then since you decide to nitpick that, I return your medicine then you get all mad & $h1t cause you don't like that. Isn't Abraham a newly crowned champion at 168?? I don't get what you were pulling for there. I understand how you feel bro, I really do. I hated when people bashed the Punisher lol!! But I'm big enough to not call people pathetic (especially when they hit me with the truth). Anyhow, if you're done, be easy bro!!:boxing:

I'd hang on to the light heavyweight thing if I were you too. As the only logical reason to not give Ward his due. I'd also try to overlook the fact that Floyd got all he could handle against a fighter that was previously twice destroyed. Or that Floyd cheated the scales against a lightweight. Or that (I know I picked Mosley) doesn't change the fact that he was shot. Or the fact that Josesito Lopez just stopped Floyd's Ortiz for crying out loud!! But the only knock on Ward that the homey Dunn can find to not give Ward his due is that he accepted Dawson's offer to fight at 168, denial anyonelol!!:boxing: Man you go from well thought to pathetic faster than a porsche goes 0-60. not give ward his due just because I said he's #2? Geez man how do you equate that to knocking him?. Hanging on to the LHW thing? If he won the LHW belt he'd be the champion in 2 different division,instead of 1, JUST AS FLOYD IS!! I'll end here, its always good to debate you when you are in the right frame of mind. But when you start using Ortiz performance after he fought floyd then its time to go. Oh yeah, how has Abraham looked after Ward?

Bush my dude, I know why you used the different adjectives, we've been at this a while. The underdog factor is a great way to put it. The perception is Ward winning the 6 was an upset, that he beat better fighters. Not in my book. I'll give that to Froch because he surprised me, then again I know much more about ward at the time than i did froch. If ward had the LHW belt today, I might even put floyd #2. I'd hang on to the light heavyweight thing if I were you too. As the only logical reason to not give Ward his due. I'd also try to overlook the fact that Floyd got all he could handle against a fighter that was previously twice destroyed. Or that Floyd cheated the scales against a lightweight. Or that (I know I picked Mosley) doesn't change the fact that he was shot. Or the fact that Josesito Lopez just stopped Floyd's Ortiz for crying out loud!! But the only knock on Ward that the homey Dunn can find to not give Ward his due is that he accepted Dawson's offer to fight at 168, denial anyonelol!!:boxing:

You're right about 1 thing, I knew Ward would retire the side, I knew it. But the reason I said beating compared to dominating is the underdog factor. Floyd beat those guys, (as he was favored) to win. Dominated some, worked for others. Now while I'm a realist & try to always keep it real. Abraham won the early rounds against Ward & Froch won the championship rounds against him. But outside of those very few rounds Ward dominated those dudes. Bush my dude, I know why you used the different adjectives, we've been at this a while. The underdog factor is a great way to put it. The perception is Ward winning the 6 was an upset, that he beat better fighters. Not in my book. I'll give that to Froch because he surprised me, then again I know much more about ward at the time than i did froch. If ward had the LHW belt today, I might even put floyd #2.

I like that use of adjectives "beating" vs "dominating". Slick.At the time floyd beat these fighters, they were all as respected and accomplished, if not more so, than the fighters Ward beat. The difference is people underestimated Ward and foolishly favored the bigger punchers in the Super Six, not the better boxer. So Ward defied most expectations. Not mine and I don't think yours either. Ward's wins coupled with floyd's inactivity, makes a strong case for Ward being #1. You're right about 1 thing, I knew Ward would retire the side, I knew it. But the reason I said beating compared to dominating is the underdog factor. Floyd beat those guys, (as he was favored) to win. Dominated some, worked for others. Now while I'm a realist & try to always keep it real. Abraham won the early rounds against Ward & Froch won the championship rounds against him. But outside of those very few rounds Ward dominated those dudes.

Before Pacman & Floyd came along & watered down the pfp ranking with popularity contests, that ***** used to change all-thee-time. You had to keep on beating quality guys to stay on top. But for the past what 3, 4 years these dudes been hounding the #1 spot while doing nothing worthy of those accolades. How the fvck is Pacman still top 5 in most respectable pfp list right now is amazing. But like I said Ward has done more for me in the last 2 years than Floyd's done, therefore as of right now, Ward is #1. Can you even argue that?? Or are you just gonna hold on to Floyd's popularity & resume as your last straw?? I like that use of adjectives "beating" vs "dominating". Slick.At the time floyd beat these fighters, they were all as respected and accomplished, if not more so, than the fighters Ward beat. The difference is people underestimated Ward and foolishly favored the bigger punchers in the Super Six, not the better boxer. So Ward defied most expectations. Not mine and I don't think yours either. Ward's wins coupled with floyd's inactivity, makes a strong case for Ward being #1.

Thanks for nothing. Floyd beating Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz & Cotto is not currently greater than Ward dominating Kessler, Abraham, Froch & just recently Dawson, in this universe or any other. Therefore IMO as of right now, Ward is clearly without a doubt the better fighter. True words

Your welcome. I don't think you can simply parse the last few fights and put ward ahead of floyd. I mean floyd's fought almost as many championship fights as ward has fought in total. But inactivity should be factored in.I was very impressed with Ward and if the dawson fight was at 175, maybe I'd agree with you. Before Pacman & Floyd came along & watered down the pfp ranking with popularity contests, that ***** used to change all-thee-time. You had to keep on beating quality guys to stay on top. But for the past what 3, 4 years these dudes been hounding the #1 spot while doing nothing worthy of those accolades. How the fvck is Pacman still top 5 in most respectable pfp list right now is amazing. But like I said Ward has done more for me in the last 2 years than Floyd's done, therefore as of right now, Ward is #1. Can you even argue that?? Or are you just gonna hold on to Floyd's popularity & resume as your last straw??

Nazadamus :lol1: that Tim Duncan comparison was so on point!!!

Thanks for nothing. Floyd beating Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz & Cotto is not currently greater than Ward dominating Kessler, Abraham, Froch & just recently Dawson, in this universe or any other. Therefore IMO as of right now, Ward is clearly without a doubt the better fighter. Your welcome. I don't think you can simply parse the last few fights and put ward ahead of floyd. I mean floyd's fought almost as many championship fights as ward has fought in total. But inactivity should be factored in.I was very impressed with Ward and if the dawson fight was at 175, maybe I'd agree with you.

The Tim Duncan comparison is amazing. I could not think of a better athlete in another sport to compare Ward to.

unfortunately for trainers, you're only seen as being as good as whatever your fighters can produce. richardson really knows boxing, and american boxers. he's been watching all of these guys since they were kids through his own involvement with his family in amateur boxing. he's biased in the sense that he feels like he identifies with these american fighters, but he's a great source to go to for knowledge. If I could ask him 1 question right now, I'd ask him what he thinks about Cotto/Trout.

You can make the case that ward is the best fighter in the world. I'd still place floyd ahead of him. Thanks for nothing. Floyd beating Marquez, Mosley, Ortiz & Cotto is not currently greater than Ward dominating Kessler, Abraham, Froch & just recently Dawson, in this universe or any other. Therefore IMO as of right now, Ward is clearly without a doubt the better fighter.

the next step for andre ward will be hurting guys and putting them away consistently. it's nice to see him recognize that he's missing a huge part of the game if he's not able to finish, or at least introduce the possibility of finishing. good point. only thing that keeps ward out of the top spot is sergio beating chavez and floyd.

the next step for andre ward will be hurting guys and putting them away consistently. it's nice to see him recognize that he's missing a huge part of the game if he's not able to finish, or at least introduce the possibility of finishing.

Man, the main guy brother Naz telling the future. Ward is the #1 fighter in the world. Said it before Dawson, will continue post Dawson. It's time to usher in the new breed of fighter. Ward carries the torch!! Came into the super 6 an underdog, destroyed the favorite walked away the undefeated unified champ, after dominating all except 1 in boxing's deepest division. And brother Naz called it. You can make the case that ward is the best fighter in the world. I'd still place floyd ahead of him.

Man, the main guy brother Naz telling the future. Ward is the #1 fighter in the world. Said it before Dawson, will continue post Dawson. It's time to usher in the new breed of fighter. Ward carries the torch!! Came into the super 6 an underdog, destroyed the favorite walked away the undefeated unified champ, after dominating all except 1 in boxing's deepest division. And brother Naz called it. unfortunately for trainers, you're only seen as being as good as whatever your fighters can produce. richardson really knows boxing, and american boxers. he's been watching all of these guys since they were kids through his own involvement with his family in amateur boxing. he's biased in the sense that he feels like he identifies with these american fighters, but he's a great source to go to for knowledge.

Man, the main guy brother Naz telling the future. Ward is the #1 fighter in the world. Said it before Dawson, will continue post Dawson. It's time to usher in the new breed of fighter. Ward carries the torch!! Came into the super 6 an underdog, destroyed the favorite walked away the undefeated unified champ, after dominating all except 1 in boxing's deepest division. And brother Naz called it.