He did let him off the hook. But that was true to his usually strategy so I can't hold that against him too much in that overall performance.
Actually, I've been thinking about this recently and yes, the performance was admirable and a great way to end a career, but... I think what cost Wlad the fight was the fact he went in as if he had something to prove after the Fury fight (and no wonder, seeing as Fury won through frustrating him tremendously and made him look like "he didn't want to win", lol) whilst there's a chance he might have had more success if he had boxed a bit more cautiously in the early going and let AJ tire a bit and slow down (he usually, quite understandably of course, paces himself in longer fights and has "lulls" in activity for a couple of rounds every 4 rounds or so. They had a graph outlining this on one of the British boxing sites I used to follow for a while, haha). It looked to me more like he simply did not have the energy necessary to go for the finish after going to war and having to get up after a KD.
Deserves, yes. Has an actual shot at winning - I doubt it. Simply too much wear and tear. It would be an interesting fight while it would last, though.
Yes, Wilder`s fans now say Povetkin doesn`t deserve a shot. Amazing.
But Arreola, Duhaupas, Szpilka deserved it.
Oy, Szpilka totally stepped in for Wawrzyk (doping) at short notice! (By way of a Twitter post, hahaha). He does deserve a bit of respect for that.
Considered giving it a spin for a moment, but figured since I started out relatively late (in my 20s), being a natural fatso (I mean heavyweight) and relatively short given the current trends as far as height goes I'd have to be really damn good to compete at any sensible level, I kinda decided to treat it more as a hobby. Still, slugging it out a bit every now and again is good fun.
The only tactic AJ has is to not be mentally shaken when the bell rings & to throw the kitchen sink at Fury.
Fury will step to AJ, AJ has to step to him in return. Not sit at range and let Fury dictate the pace of the fight.
Employ Wallin's gameplan and not let Fury gain any momentum.
This fight is won on Stamina, AJ hasn't got the stamina to match or handle Fury. Wlad didn't either which is why he didn't risk throwing shots he knew he'd miss.
I agree that Team Wallin's gameplan was good and could be harvested for ideas. AJ's more massive than Wallin, I think, so size-bullying him would not be as easy for Fury. But AJ's stamina could give out sooner. Trying to catch Fury up against the ropes and then working the body + some uppercuts, mid- or close-range. Kinda what Frazier did vs Ali, or what Mike Tyson would try to do. I don't think that's AJ's style, tho.
Were I Fury, I'd box AJ for some rounds, try to catch the moment AJ slows down and then go in with that pressuring style he used against Wilder.
Ruiz is in many ways underrated IMO and did fight tough opposition, won some, lost some, fouled some (to this day I shall claim that Golota should have been given the nod that night! :P ). "Huggybear", haha :D
Did he have it tougher than Fury, opposition-wise? Probably. He also did have far more fights (to the tune of... 55? That's quite a bit, especially compared to the current "one or two fights per year at the top level max" thing) but we know all this only because he's retired by now.
Fury did beat the two toughest outs he had and did it not in only employing different styles, but also dominantly so (saying that Wlad lost because he did not want to win is bull****. Fury simply eliminated all the moves Wlad typically used to get his opponents out of there; poor Wlad looked so frustrated at one point in the late rounds that I kinda felt bad for him). So whilst he had not fought as many top-level fighters as Ruiz, I'd say he's the better fighter.
A win over a top dog
Scared of does not equate to definitely would have. He could have, you know, protected his eye and won.
Could have, sure. Did not have the defensive skill to do so, tho.
Fury fooled Al Hayman, he rang him up begging for the Wilder fight claiming that he was broke and finished and just wanted a cash out.
Haymon and Wilder saw Fury as a stepping stone to Joshua, he would've been a big name on the resume and Wilder could start calling himself the lineal champ and use that to gain a better percentage.
Of course, Fury had different ideas lol.
That would be absolutely hilarious if true. :D :D :D
"Dude, I'm broke, desperate and hapless, lemme fight yo champ for some monies, he'll gain fame and a name on his record!"
"Sure, mate!"
...two fights later...
"Ooopsie, sorry, I know I was supposed to lose, but I got carried away, haha! **** happens."
Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, Fury likes to spin a yarn. :D A most amusing notion, though. I'm quite certain Team Wilder wanted to fight Fury because he's name and they thought he'd be most beatable after his lay-off, give them more leverage to get a better deal out of Hearn and AJ for the unification fight.
I doubt it. He'd had his belt for nearly 4 years without ever making huge money or becoming a global star. He got a big payday and profile boost in the first fight, and he lost the second fight. It happens. He probably regrets the way he fought or the way he trained, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to regret taking a huge international fight just because he lost.
Honestly, from what I've observed of Wilder's personality, I do believe he really resents having lost it (because financially, marketing-wise, potential-AJ-fight-wise etc. it was a sound move); "He spoke it, he believed it, but he sure as hell did not receive it". :D
I've got Foreman (especially prime Foreman). Too aggressive, too heavy-handed, and an extremely intimidating individual (you gotta take this into account as well). Only way I could see AJ winning is staying up until late rounds and getting George to gas - and for that you need some really good dancing movement or a whole lot of cleverness and a chin out of this world.
Would be a fun fight though.
The comeback Big George would be a fun fight as well. The man was an immovable object in the ring with tremendous punching power. :D
Eh, he wasn't doing half-bad landing straight rights coming forward aggressively, IIRC, and they were effective. So he could try to build on this and add some more power through clubbing hooks and such, not going for precision but more like battery. He's gonna need volume for that to work, though. I mean, you can do a boxer-puncher type of thing whilst still being the aggressor, obviously.
Still, in their fight Usyk would start getting more aggressive in return and upping his feint game (his right-hand feints are excellent) to land precise lefts, increasing their power as the fight progressed. AJ's boxing ain't all that bad, really, but it's a bit of a simple-yet-effective type of thing while Usyk's style is more layered and thus more difficult to counteract, I think. So a pure boxing match favors Usyk.
Mike Tyson's fame is nothing compared to Joshua's? :D :D :D
In the UK, maybe. And even then, I'd have my doubts. *Everybody* knows Iron Mike, even people who aren't into boxing at all, lol.
I mean, sure, he earned his fame by becoming the youngest heavyweight champ in history, and later on by being an angry, crazy person who turned into a fountain of chillaxed wisdom in his later years, heh. So that's your beef with big guys? They get credit just for being big? :D How about Valuev? I mean, nobody ever really liked the poor SOB.
I make prosthetics for a living. Understanding the flow of kinetic energy through the body is part of my job.
When Dempsey talks about powerline what he's getting at in physics is kinematic chains. I was pretty floored by his understanding of physics. The words are different but the ideas are there. It's very Newtonian, but, people even now struggle to follow Newton.
You probably know this, but the exercise Dempsey uses to explain this "powerline", how it passes from the sole of the foot to the 4th and 5th knuckle with the fist pressed against a wall, is pretty much identical to a basic Tai Chi exercise that's supposed to explain the principle of "grounding" - with the only difference being that Tai Chi practitioners tend to use an open palm instead of a fist. :D
It's fascinating stuff, really.
Maybe Tyson Fury could hit like a goddamn anti tank rifle if he punched like Marciano.
There's a very good chance it would be so. Fury's huge and strong like an ox, just seems to throw his punches in a flicking manner, does something weird with his wrists at times (definitely more concerned with speed and not hurting his arms than with power, almost as if he were fighting bare-knuckle. Maybe it's a Gypsy thing).
Maybe he should read this before the Wilder rematch: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL17803914W/Rocky_Marciano%27s_Book_of_Boxing_and_Bodybuilding :D
(BTW., to anyone who's read it - is that book any good? There's also supposedly "On the Use of the Body" co-written by Marciano, Mike Mollo cites it as an inspiration in his wikipedia article)
I think in Tyson's case the belief is he has plenty of natural power due to his size so it's better for him to focus on defense.
That's also true. I don't think there's a heavyweight right now capable of actually walking through his "pitty-pat" (lol) punches even when he's not going all out on them; they apparently sting enough to give even the toughest guys pause.
Up to him to add a couple of nice KTFO shots to his arsenal, with his skill-set it shouldn't take him long to do so.
Dempsey's book is pretty great, after reading it I can't get over how some crappy trainers insist on adding rotation to their jabs, lol. "It's a straight punch, keep it straight!" :D
It isn’t a smear campaign. It’s a couple of morons making threads and YouTube videos.
Hopefully. I opened these here lovely forums today and noticed ~10 threads "GloveGate, Fury's cheating history" etc. and it just rubbed me the wrong way. :D
You make a thread bhitching on a stupid topic about people bhitching on a stupid topic...........��
It's a boxing forum. If you're looking for intellectual discussion, you're in the wrong place, lol.
True enough. I don't blame the fans though, they're fans. What I dislike is "youtube experts" going on about this stuff, giving fuel to this crap.
Were there anything truly actionable, Wilder's handlers would have taken it to court by now, lol.
Ike Ibeabuchi. He could've been a really serious heavy but his mental issues got the better of him.
James Butler is now in prison, fortunately. He is clinically insane.
Golota actually "got a grip" with age and maturity, it would seem. Unfortunately he kept "losing it" during important fights in his prime.
Mike Tyson definitely had mental issues in his youth.
Fury has anxiety problems but he does not lose it in the ring. Staying active actually helps him ward them off, it would appear.
That Broner guy should be institutionalized IMHO.
Kovalov could use AA and "anger managment" classes. :D
Deontay Wilder is extremely labile and seems emotionally unstable at times. Like he can explode at any given moment.
Off the top of my head. Many fighters are crazy; punching/getting punched in the face for a living could do this to you. It's kinda like that thing Mike Tyson was talking about: when he got in the ring, he wasn't Mike Tyson the dude, but Iron Mike the angry killer who's going to eat your babies and so forth. He admits that this persona would sometimes take him over in private life as well.
I've got Fury by TKO/corner stoppage. Pov's good and tough, but he's taken enough blows by now; a fit Fury would overwhelm him unless he got Cunnighamed alluva sudden. :D
Difficult call. It depends on whether Fury would have the foreknowledge how to Buster Douglas Iron Mike (so that he'd assume it's possible :D). I don't think leaning onto Mike would work exactly due to the size difference - he'd be leaving his body open, and perhaps even his chin open to uppercuts.
Because Mike sure as hell would manage to get into range. He was extremely fast on his feet.
Fury dislikes fighting skilled opponents who are way shorter than him, I think.
I can see both guys possibly getting a UD going their way.
What I actually respect the most about Wilder is how much he's achieved based on natural punching talent, stubbornness, killer instinct and athleticism whilst having such a terrible, utterly ****e head coach through all these years.