The man lost 6 rounds in a row to Ortiz and was set to lose the 7th too. Thats got to be seen as bad. That is a schooling, that is seriously losing the fight. If he has an off night, pulls a muscle in his arm, hurts his shoulder or hand or just cant seem to land a clean one he is up sheet creek without a paddle.
BUT.
Wilder didnt even try to win any rounds, just stalked and stalked with that sledgehammer ****ed and ready to go and even 6 rounds down out of 6 he remained calm and BANG. Another opponent down looking like hes just been hit by a train.
So how do you look at it? I certainly look at is a a very risky game plan. But i think we are all in agreement Wilder is not a technically sound Boxer so its tough to win rounds when your getting out boxed so why not play to your advantages which in Wilders case is fast and sickening right hands.
Do we have to say it was bad and good at the same time?
It certainly not good for his fight with Fury, I hope he atleast tries to win the fight with Fury without just relying on one punch. To be fair on Wilder Fury could have lost that last fight with Braun Strowman, he got lucky.
The man lost 6 rounds in a row to Ortiz and was set to lose the 7th too. Thats got to be seen as bad. That is a schooling, that is seriously losing the fight. If he has an off night, pulls a muscle in his arm, hurts his shoulder or hand or just cant seem to land a clean one he is up sheet creek without a paddle.
BUT.
Wilder didnt even try to win any rounds, just stalked and stalked with that sledgehammer ****ed and ready to go and even 6 rounds down out of 6 he remained calm and BANG. Another opponent down looking like hes just been hit by a train.
So how do you look at it? I certainly look at is a a very risky game plan. But i think we are all in agreement Wilder is not a technically sound Boxer so its tough to win rounds when your getting out boxed so why not play to your advantages which in Wilders case is fast and sickening right hands.
Do we have to say it was bad and good at the same time?
Good and bad, you’re right.
I’d have to lean on the good side though. The truth is Wilder can’t outbox guys like Ortiz or Fury, so why even try to box with them and leave yourself open more? - Wilder doesn’t need to do that because of his equalising power. His style v Ortiz actually keeps him out of danger for the most part.
So i’d say it was a smart performance, he played to his strengths, as limited as they might be.
It’s risky of course, it would be a very risky gameplan against a fully fit Fury that can move for 12 rounds. It’s easier to get away with it against Ortiz who slows after 5 rounds. But really, that’s why Wilder v Fury is an intriguing fight isn’t it?
Yes, he was losing rounds.
Yes, Ortiz fought well.
But, a schooling?
Nah.
You wanna say Wilder was cautious and was thinking a fight ahead, do that.
You wanna say Wilder was content to allow Ortiz to work and expend energy, that's fine too.
The truth is, Wilder did turn things up a little in the 7th and that's coincidentally when he stopped Ortiz.
Make of it what you will.
Wilder is still undefeated and has still put every man he's ever faced on the canvas.
this ^^
When you say he is inexperienced are you talking about 43 fight Deontay Wilder?
I am talking about the 30-fight version mentioned earlier
as well as this version
the dude is obviously still adapting/refining his game
I thought his performance was superb. He made several adjustments from the first time he fought Luis Ortiz like avoiding the exchanges while playing the role of counter puncher.
He allowed Ortiz to lead in order to open him up, build King Kong's confidence and make him vulnerable while setting him up for the knockout victory.
Moreover, he didn't absorb anywhere near the amount of punishment he absorbed in their first bout in which he was nearly stopped in the seventh round.
Yes, he was losing rounds.
Yes, Ortiz fought well.
But, a schooling?
Nah.
You wanna say Wilder was cautious and was thinking a fight ahead, do that.
You wanna say Wilder was content to allow Ortiz to work and expend energy, that's fine too.
The truth is, Wilder did turn things up a little in the 7th and that's coincidentally when he stopped Ortiz.
Make of it what you will.
Wilder is still undefeated and has still put every man he's ever faced on the canvas.
Seemed to me that the fight went exactly like Wilder planned. Patient for a few rounds, launch the missile, game over. Exactly like I predicted, even down to 10 seconds before Ortiz got KOd, I told my wife he was done and then boom .
Wilder didn't really look good, but he rarely does in fights that go longer than a round. But, he did what he does best and executed his plan perfectly.
Wilder did 100% what he wanted to do. He set up Ortiz.
Good performance.
Yeah, probably this. It's just subjective.
Wilder did 100% what he wanted to do.
or
Wilder did 100% the ONLY thing he can do.
Either way, he got the KO. Did anyone really think it was going to be different?
Ortiz's movement leading up to the KO was terrible or Wilder made the adjustment? I'm not sure. Either way, Wilder saw the opportunity when Ortiz inadvertently closed the distance on the side of the ring.
Considering the surface area that Wilder had (Ortiz had been keeping the left high up protecting) to hit, it was great (or lucky) accuracy :rofl:
Sorry but I dont subscribe to that nonsense that he is intentionally losing rounds. He already fought someone who survived his power and if not for a biased decision would have rightfully lost.
Yes he has power but if he is consistently being outboxed then it also means he is taking more punishment than he needs to, in the long ru somebody with real power will out-box him and will ko him (he has been paired so far with relatively safe opponents).
Imagine a young prime Vlad fighting Wilder, he would control the fight and break down Wilder.
I said that 2 years ago when everyone was going nuts over AJ, insisting that he was on a different level to Wilder... some of the replies I got were hilarious, in light of what happened to AJ
my issue is... Fury got caught TWICE
the rematch will be very interesting
to critics of that fight... the dude is inexperienced, period... learning on the job, AND adapting to top level opponents... and, yet.... stayed calm as ice, did not panic once... stuck to the gameplan, and delivered
that is extremely difficult, and shows good mental strength and faith/self belief
if Wilder has his mental game in check... and lets face it, the top 2 inches is what counts in boxing... then everyone is on serious notice
verdict: thats a killer right there
in saying that... it is waaaaay too early to start mentioning Wilder among the greats, that talk is just stupid at this point
the ATG killers at the top of that list faced PLENTY of guys with a right hand... they were a lot tougher than Ortiz, and they were very well-rounded... but Wilder is live against anyone
my pick is... King Fury for the win, possibly after another trip to the canvas... but yea, not as confident as I was last time
one... little... mistake... lose focus for... one... second... BANG !
When you say he is inexperienced are you talking about 43 fight Deontay Wilder?
ggg lost one round against brook before ko'ing him and was criticized by same people who think it was a good performance by wilder. you really can't make this up.
I think it was a good performance.
He didn't take any damage really and he got the knock out victory.
Ortiz's style as a southpaw Cuban with power is gonna be murder for anybody, which is why Wilder's the only guy who's fought him so far, so I don't expect him to look that badly against anybody else (save Fury).
Everyone else in the heavyweight division is pretty easy to hit and with his athleticism, he will hit them.
Boxing has always been the ultimate outcome based sport. You used to get credit for winning. Nowadays we have a bunch of "fans" that put more emphasis on everything but the outcome. Then if the outcome is different than what they hoped for, they question the legitimacy of the fight.
Wilder was getting outboxed, he was down on the cards, and BOOM, ended the fight. His performance was outstanding because he managed to win a fight by KO that he was clearly losing. If you know Wilder and Ortiz, the fight played out as expected given Ortiz is the more technically skilled fighter.
this, here ^^
great points
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