Does Rocky Marciano's 50th victory, KO of Muhammad Ali, make him the GOAT?

I make prosthetics for a living. Understanding the flow of kinetic energy through the body is part of my job. When Dempsey talks about powerline what he's getting at in physics is kinematic chains. I was pretty floored by his understanding of physics. The words are different but the ideas are there. It's very Newtonian, but, people even now struggle to follow Newton. You probably know this, but the exercise Dempsey uses to explain this "powerline", how it passes from the sole of the foot to the 4th and 5th knuckle with the fist pressed against a wall, is pretty much identical to a basic Tai Chi exercise that's supposed to explain the principle of "grounding" - with the only difference being that Tai Chi practitioners tend to use an open palm instead of a fist. :D It's fascinating stuff, really.

If NSB had an ''All Time Stupid Thread'' category....This ranks #1. Probably. I truly worry about the mental health of the OP. This is some far-out kind of stuff.

TS is ''smart''....didnt make this a poll :lol1: The only ones taking poles are your mom and sister. phew.....good thing i typed poll :) :lol1: .....

Yeah Marciano should of fought him huh, when Ali was 11 years old or younger when Marciano was champ. Dumb thread, two totally different eras and two very unorthodox styles. If you put it in terms of a fantasy style match up, Ali is a nightmare for any heavyweight in history, it's hard seeing Ali (as clay vs Liston first fight) getting caught with anything and his hands cut up people.

I think in Tyson's case the belief is he has plenty of natural power due to his size so it's better for him to focus on defense. That's also true. I don't think there's a heavyweight right now capable of actually walking through his "pitty-pat" (lol) punches even when he's not going all out on them; they apparently sting enough to give even the toughest guys pause. Up to him to add a couple of nice KTFO shots to his arsenal, with his skill-set it shouldn't take him long to do so. Dempsey's book is pretty great, after reading it I can't get over how some crappy trainers insist on adding rotation to their jabs, lol. "It's a straight punch, keep it straight!" :D

--- Boxing is fought with rules not always enforced, a sorta simulation of a real fight with no rules. Rock and Ali fought with simulated rules designed to make it look like a fight for the rubes to eat their shorts over while protecting the integrity of Rocky and Ali. Definitely more honorable than the TUE 50-0 Japanese fight against a Banty making his boxing debut.

You must be joking. Nobody would seriously call that a fight. A fight is when both fighters do their very best to win. The Rocky vs Ali fight was completely stagged and the boxers did as the director told them to do. First punch that Ali threw, moved the wig of Marciano :D. I am a big fan of Marciano, but I think Ali had speed, stamina and chin to keep Marciano away and win a UD.

Maybe Tyson Fury could hit like a goddamn anti tank rifle if he punched like Marciano. There's a very good chance it would be so. Fury's huge and strong like an ox, just seems to throw his punches in a flicking manner, does something weird with his wrists at times (definitely more concerned with speed and not hurting his arms than with power, almost as if he were fighting bare-knuckle. Maybe it's a Gypsy thing). Maybe he should read this before the Wilder rematch: https://openlibrary.org/works/OL17803914W/Rocky_Marciano%27s_Book_of_Boxing_and_Bodybuilding :D (BTW., to anyone who's read it - is that book any good? There's also supposedly "On the Use of the Body" co-written by Marciano, Mike Mollo cites it as an inspiration in his wikipedia article)

Oh it's true, people do hate Marciano, but, it isn't racism it's boxing bias. Marciano is a shining example of how so much of boxing is unfounded bull**** people just repeat unchallenged. In order to retain certain stances that are popular in boxing circles fans must make excuses for the anomaly that is Marciano. I like your post but trimmed it a bit because I don't want to quote the whole thing. It is boxing bias but I think it's different than you think. Marciano is seen as the last great pre-modern HW. I'm not saying he is but there's definitely a bias that Ali (and therefore Liston before him) is the start of the modern HW era. Ali (Frazier/Foreman) begot Holmes begot Tyson begot Holyfield/Bowe/Lewis...and so on. That's also the reason that Floyd Patterson isn't even considered a great HW at all (and I'm not arguing he should). But in my experience those guys are considered from a different era - smaller, shorter, slower and not as skilled. I think that's not necessarily correct but that's how Rocky is seen because that's how all pre-modern HWs are seen. It also has to do with the minimum number of title defenses. Rock got his start late for boxing - 24 - and therefore wasn't even hitting the bigger fights until he was about 30. Thus he only defended his title 6 times and then walked away at 32. So I agree with you in the way he is seen but I believe it's due to a different cause. I'm not saying it's right.

:lol1: bring back the GOAT lou cipher!

Just noticed this guy hasn’t posted in over a year. Thank you he was a fuking moron

Even if there was a shred of truth to that, which is a reach, does it matter if the person directing the outcome is labeled a "Director" or a "Promoter" or a "Casino Mogul" or and "Investor" or an "Al Haymon" or anything else? Back in Rocky and Muhammad's day it certainly doesn't count. But by todays standards, this would have done 5 million PPV and there would have been a WBC belt on the line. I dare you to deny that. --- What grade you in? It was part of the first ever computer tourney and was broadcast via radio around the world. The final featured ali and Rock who agreed to sparring sessions to create a fight film. Both had mad rrespect for each other based on the sparring. Film distributed around the world with two different endings made mad $$$$.

For what it’s worth Marciano at that point in time could probably beat Ali then, Marciano was all muscle while Ali was fat and out of shape due to his ban.

That husk of a man wimped out in anticipation of a hellacious beatdown at the hands of you. I think you broke his pysche. And amen to that Real talk the strange part is that I really thought you guys would have fun with all this. I wasn't gonna hurt the guy. I figured it would be a good time for you guys. A total of 3 people from this board showed up today/tonight and one of them doesn't even have an account anymore. I also honestly expected Floyd to send some goons. Just a normal night. All good though.

Fuk sake there's a thing called clean competitive sport I guess Malcolm X can't beat you unaided and needs a chemical crutch. Is there a reschedule date sorted yet maybe first quarter of 2018? Looks like he retired. Sucks because Lou Cipher is the only juice free athlete in Boxing aside from Manny Pacquiao

lou bro I got a bit of a dilemma geezermate. I would like to watch cotto vs ali tommorow. But at the same time I'd like to watch your one sided magnificent beatdown of that larryxxx bloke. You shouldn't bash the dyslexic too bad. Not his fault he can't spell larynx properly. also I live near london and can't attend the fight in person but, could you organise a mobile compatible live stream exclusive. I know your in peak condition mentally, physically take this rat poison marinated parsnip out of the game. The fight has been called off my friend. Sorry for all the hype and then it not happen. I got a call from vada and apparently Larry has been buying steroids under the name Laurence X.

Goats don’t get embarrassed and dropped by lamon brewster and Corey Saunders during their prime like wlad.. Lewis would of made wlad his b1tch , came in out of shape and beat up on the better brother. Right! However, GOAT have accomplishments that no other previous boxers have. This is the case with Wladimir Klitschko. Out of 69 bouts, with the accomplishments that Wlad has. Those few losses in his record mean very little to nothing. Lennox Lewis and Wladimir Klitschko are evenly matched. The winner of that bout is going to be decided by who's corner Emmanuel Steward stays in as far as I'm concerned. However, accomplishment wise, Wlad is the greater heavyweight champion between the two.

These are all ancient heavyweights by modern standards. By modern standards, they are sub-heavyweights (cruiserweights / light heavyweights). Rocky Marciano would be too small by today's standards to be even considered a real heavyweight. The Klitschko brothers would destroy him. Wladimir Klitschko is the heavyweight GOAT and this is an indisputable fact! Goats don’t get embarrassed and dropped by lamon brewster and Corey Saunders during their prime like wlad.. Lewis would of made wlad his b1tch , came in out of shape and beat up on the better brother.

Cant believe I disrespected the legacy of Rocky Marciano by not knowing he had gone undefeated in other professional fights under assumed names and it as the bare minimum 54-0 as well as being undefeated as an amateur since all his amateur fights are now voided. TODAY IS THE GREATEST DAY IN BOXING HISTORY!!!

Perhaps, because Marciano rarely ever fought opponents as heavy and as tough as Ross Purrity. However, I can assure you that the likes of Samuel Peter, Eddie Chambers, Chris Byrd and Ruslan Chagaev will all be favored to destroy or outclass Rocky Marciano. All of whom Wlad had beaten convincingly. Wlad has the following distinctive / unique feats matched by nobody at modern heavyweight (when two boxers weigh 200 pounds): 1) the highest knockout percentage in the heavyweight division's history in world championship fights. 2) the highest knockout quantity against previously unbeaten / never knocked out opponents. 3) The highest quantity of wins + knockouts against most styles of opponents (southpaws, counter punchers, pressure fighters and etc.). 4) Average knockout victims, heavier than any other past heavyweight in history. 5) More OVERALL wins + knockouts than any other past heavyweight in history. 6) Lost fewer rounds than any other past heavyweight in history (excluding his brother Vitali Klitschko). 7) Has arguably, the best win / loss ratio in his career record, out of the number of fights he has had. 8) Excluding Mike Tyson, knocked out / defeated more heavier than self opponents than any other past heavyweight. So if that makes him a 'trash', then that's a remarkable thing! Ignore that homo. He's just mad because Rocky Marciano KO’d Archie Moore KO’d Bert Whitehurst KO’d Joe Shelton KO’d Sonny Banks KO’d Lee Batts KO’d Johnny Gause KO’d Jeff Merritt KO’d Ron Standard KO’d Ernie Shavers KO’d Jimmy Young KO’d George Foreman KO’d Pierre Coetzer KO’d Johnny Du Plooy KO’d David Bey KO’d James “Buster” Douglas KO’d Mike Tyson KO’d Larry Holmes therefor Larry Holmes Couldn't Carry Rocky's Jockstrap.