Who had it tougher J ''Quietman'' Ruiz or T ''Gypsy King'' Fury ?

So you continue to embrace this ridiculous take that Wilder turning into a straight right is a "rabbit punch"? Loving eyes.........

Obviously quiet man. He was starched in his pro debut vs Tua! Just to have the balls to comeback from that is amazing. John was always a hard worker as a kid to an adult still is as he trains kids at the local gym. He used to get up at 6 in the morning and run 5 miles then come home shower then go to school. It was like that every day. He would come home from school and do his homework then go straight to the boxing gym. He missed a lot of his youth. Plus he wasn't gifted like fury was. He was thin wily and he thrived off of heart. Not to mention loyal to his handlers. After he recomposed himself he became a grappler. Why not? Holding is in the rules! He had to deal with all the bull**** from the fans calling him a man hugger. But guess what? He's a winner in life never ducked anybody even wanted Lennox that girl Lewis he called him. He was invited to the whitehouse and had a parade in Puerto Rico! His victory as Latino heavyweight he could finally taste it as first champ He was endearing to the suits at hbo asking them if he should change his style? That's what I love about the guy, he did everything the public asked him to do. In return he lost to James Toney by boxing. Bummer. He didn't care about being a primadonna either. He used to run into the ring with no shirt and a burly beard. Chris Byrd said it right: he keeps winning but everybody keeps disrespecting him. In the holy fights they were nip and tuck. 2 instances of bravado 1) knocking holy to the canvas 2) bleeding in the nose with a broken nose while blood dripped into his lungs. The one thing you can't knock him for is that he always found a way to survive opposition.

Ruiz is in many ways underrated IMO and did fight tough opposition, won some, lost some, fouled some (to this day I shall claim that Golota should have been given the nod that night! :P ). "Huggybear", haha :D Did he have it tougher than Fury, opposition-wise? Probably. He also did have far more fights (to the tune of... 55? That's quite a bit, especially compared to the current "one or two fights per year at the top level max" thing) but we know all this only because he's retired by now. Fury did beat the two toughest outs he had and did it not in only employing different styles, but also dominantly so (saying that Wlad lost because he did not want to win is bull****. Fury simply eliminated all the moves Wlad typically used to get his opponents out of there; poor Wlad looked so frustrated at one point in the late rounds that I kinda felt bad for him). So whilst he had not fought as many top-level fighters as Ruiz, I'd say he's the better fighter.

This is all that I'm saying. Too much credit given. Fury clobbered Wilder in the rematch when I predicted Wilder would have had no problems ending him. I was wrong 2x (I'm not a Wilder fan or a fan of anyone these HW clowns) In the rematch, I feel Fury was allowed to use some shady tactics. Regardless, Wilder was worse than an amateur and not because Fury did anything particularly well. He leaned down on Wilders back every chance he got. Rabbit punched every time he got (LoadWraps has a perfect gif proving my point). Fury fans credit him for winning by the way he said he going to win. Props for that. Fury ended the fight on his terms. But it wasn't some clinic, imho. Both guys were sloppy, Wilder more so. Fury vs Wlad was more of a blinking contest, 1st one who blinks loses. Not much action. I doubt Fury would be considered more than a journeyman if he had to go through who Ruiz did. So you continue to embrace this ridiculous take that Wilder turning into a straight right is a "rabbit punch"? :lol1: God I love casuals. And tell us more how beating a decade + reigning undisputed and lineal champion and ATG isn't....one of the best wins of any current fighter in any division. But his resume is so awful doe. :lol1:

By the way, Fury fans, Fury did no have it harder than Ruiz. Fury is usually the bigger man in the ring.

All of it, Fury put on a masterclass. You listen to Snow Patrol & Coldplay lol. I'd rather be accused of being a Coldplay fan than to say I love watching Fury vs Wlad

Besides the 12th round, what round of Fury vs Wlad did you enjoy watching most ? My musical tastes stands the test of time All of it, Fury put on a masterclass. You listen to Snow Patrol & Coldplay lol.

I don't know what's worse, your boxing knowledge or your music taste. Besides the 12th round, what round of Fury vs Wlad did you enjoy watching most ? My musical tastes stands the test of time

Fury didn't so much beat Wlad....Wlad just didn't want to win. I don't know what's worse, your boxing knowledge or your music taste.

ruiz was boring as fuk and everyone on boxing boards called him "john huggybear ruiz" guy just held excessively and fouled his way to wins. beating ancient holyfield whoop de do. guy was boring in the ring and out. he was so talentless roy jones hand picked him with high confidence to get a belt because he knew if he just pop shots him and moves Ruiz has no chance because all he does is tie people up. ruiz had no fans at all fury has tons of fans and is exciting, has a slick style, very athletic for his size, master strategist. very charismatic outside the ring Huggybear :lol1: He was the least of the HW champs that RJJ could have fought. But who could blame RJJ ? If we are judging fighters on entertainment value, it's not close. My point is, if Fury were to get in the ring with the guys Ruiz did, it might not end so well for him.

ruiz was boring as fuk and everyone on boxing boards called him "john huggybear ruiz" guy just held excessively and fouled his way to wins. beating ancient holyfield whoop de do. guy was boring in the ring and out. he was so talentless roy jones hand picked him with high confidence to get a belt because he knew if he just pop shots him and moves Ruiz has no chance because all he does is tie people up. ruiz had no fans at all fury has tons of fans and is exciting, has a slick style, very athletic for his size, master strategist. very charismatic outside the ring

if fury didn't have skills he could not get a decision in germany v vlad who was getting on in age but still the champ and he couldn't beat wilder either Fury didn't so much beat Wlad....Wlad just didn't want to win. Fury vs Wlad cannot be watched twice (if a Fury fan says they have, they are lying). I can't see even the most ravenous Fury fan withstanding a second viewing of the shlt. Fury wins but in sloppy fashion. His resume is super thin. John Ruiz would beat everyone Fury has (when he fought them). Fury did not beat prime Wlad.

If he beats them both, he's the best of his era because he beat the top dogs. However, beating some of the other guys would help make a better case for him for sure, history wise. No question Fury would reign supreme if he cleans out this putrid HW era (not sure how you rate this era compared to others). If I were to place him all time....remember, not talking about head to head battles, just strength of resume......it gets tricky.

if fury didn't have skills he could not get a decision in germany v vlad who was getting on in age but still the champ and he couldn't beat wilder either

I don't think Fury is the greatest of all time but I think he is a good heavyweight who does not suck. In his last fight grossly fat Ruiz did suck. He was good in other fights though.

The question is "who had it tougher" not who is better. It's too late at night (3 a.m).to go into many details of my position on this, but how do you compare the prowess of a 6'9" fighter with an 86" reach and a 40-50 lb weight advantage and not much opposition, with a 6'2" guy with a 76 " reach and lots of opposition. Two very different time periods.. Ruiz never dodged any fighter, not played politics. Ruiz fought and beat some very good fighters at their peak, like Holyfield twice for the WBA title, and Rahman. He beat Golota. He got some raw decisions in split losses that most thought he's won. He very narrowly lost to Ruslan Chagaev , 21-0 which could have been a draw. He had 2 questionable losses against Valuev, and, after he'd retired, was brought out again, unfit, at 38 to be a name on Haye's record. Haye should have been DQ 5-6 times over, the most egregious fouling and rabbit punching I have ever seen, having spun the hapless Ruiz around and pushed him forward over the ropes to hammer away at the back of his head. I thought a tragedy was about to happen. He was actually a forward fighter in his earlier fights up to Tua, always looking for the KO. After the Tua wipe-out he reinvented himself with the punch and clinch style that didn't bring him any love but brought him the WBA etc, more than once. He was a champion for much of the 9-10 years he was around the top level, and fought 10-12 WBA title fights.most of which he won. Compared to Fury, he was much more limited, another reason for him having had it tougher. Absolutely.....

I think Aj's more limited than Fury. Fury is much smarter in there and has improved immansely since his punching himself in the face days. I've seen no imrpovement from AJ. He got beat by Ruiz and came back and jabbed and moved and played survival mode and won the rematch against the buffet warrior. That's definitely not a sign of greatness. I think Fury would easily outbox Ruiz and it wouldn't even be close. But, we shall see in time. Either way, Fury is easily better than Ruiz, along with 99% of past champions. That guy was terrible. For God's sake, why do you think Roy Jones picked him to win a heavy title from? Easiest by far. Even Chris Byrd posed more of a threat. Ok You see in Fury skills I don't. I don't think he would be very successful back in the day. Everyone had Andy repeating his win. AJ, to his credit, fought a different way. I would have liked to have seen him exact revenge like Lennox did. AJ showed he can box for 12 rds. Hopefully we will see just how good Fury is. I hope he doesn't retire If he beats Wilder and AJ. If he does, how would you rank him ?

The question is "who had it tougher" not who is better. It's too late at night (3 a.m).to go into many details of my position on this, but how do you compare the prowess of a 6'9" fighter with an 86" reach and a 40-50 lb weight advantage and not much opposition, with a 6'2" guy with a 76 " reach and lots of opposition. Two very different time periods.. Ruiz never dodged any fighter, not played politics. Ruiz fought and beat some very good fighters at their peak, like Holyfield twice for the WBA title, and Rahman. He beat Golota. He got some raw decisions in split losses that most thought he's won. He very narrowly lost to Ruslan Chagaev , 21-0 which could have been a draw. He had 2 questionable losses against Valuev, and, after he'd retired, was brought out again, unfit, at 38 to be a name on Haye's record. Haye should have been DQ 5-6 times over, the most egregious fouling and rabbit punching I have ever seen, having spun the hapless Ruiz around and pushed him forward over the ropes to hammer away at the back of his head. I thought a tragedy was about to happen. He was actually a forward fighter in his earlier fights up to Tua, always looking for the KO. After the Tua wipe-out he reinvented himself with the punch and clinch style that didn't bring him any love but brought him the WBA etc, more than once. He was a champion for much of the 9-10 years he was around the top level, and fought 10-12 WBA title fights.most of which he won. Compared to Fury, he was much more limited, another reason for him having had it tougher.

TBH I doubt it. Bowe had a big right hand but nothing else. He couldn't throw a straight right hand to save his life. No good left hook. Holyfield had him out on his feet but he trained stupidly and had no gas to finish him. Bowe beat Larry Donald. I'm positive Fury beats him. He beat Jorge Luis Gonzalez. I'm betting Fury beats him. He beat Golota by DQ but got the hell beat out of him. I see Fury beating Golota too, as did most top heavies at the time. Bowe was okay but not great. He had one great win- the first Holyfield fight. He was lucky to beat Holyfield in the third fight and we're talking about him beating a natural cruiserweight when Bowe was a big heavyweight. I agree that excitement over heavyweight boxing was way bigger in America in the 90s but Fury would be way better in that era than you think. He's shown the ring IQ and moves and he's bigger than any of them were along with the speed and endurance and ring IQ. It wouldn't be easy for any of them. Fury is for real and so is Wilder. He would have been dangerous in any era. AJ? Not sure about that. He's a big stiff colossus. Lots of guys would have flattened him. Old Wlad about had him out of there. Old Wlad barely touched Fury. Big difference. Fair enough. For me, I don't se Fury as being a tactician as much as just using his size. He is not very fluid. He's lanky and all over the place trying to be a greatest showman in the ring. There is no sample sizes to compare how Fury would do vs HW's I mentioned. Who is his Bowe ? Holy ? Valuev ? Golota ? Tua ? Mercer ? Which of Fury's opponents can we compare to past HW's ? Are we to say Ruiz wouldn't figure out (hug) guys Fury beat ? AJ got blasted by Ruiz, but, like Ruiz and Wlad before him, figured out if you have some boxing skills, use them. I'm not sold on him but he's not the worst.

Fury's way smarter than Ruiz imo. And he's beating the guys of his era. That's all a man can do. Going off of guys Fury fought, how smart did he have to be ? It's true, you can't fight guys who don't exist. That doesn't mean he gets the ultimate pass. To be considered the best of the best. As painful as it might be for his fans, for any fan base, they should call it like it is. Prime Bowe would probably beat Fury