Groves is the better "boxer" no doubt. Better jab, movement and technical ability than both Froch and Jack.
However! The things he was lacking in the Froch fights were experience and stamina. I thought the first fight was a boxing lesson for Froch, helped out big time by Howard Foster and the rematch was rightly ordered. He was boxing well until the Ko punch but no excuses there.
People seem to forget that Groves was green as **** for the Froch fights and had changed trainers. He needed more experience before a fight like Froch who is one of the toughest and fittest boxers around. You need to be special to beat him like Ward did, but even Froch was coming on strong in those last rounds and could have went longer.
Groves is world class and always has been. He just needed the right environement and trainer to shine. He took the Froch fight too early as he thought he could outbox him, which he did in both fights Imo. That doesn't always win fights though.
When people say he's the best in the world or one of the best then yes, he is overrated. When people say he's top 10 I would agree. He is exciting in much the same way as Wilder is and that's why fans overrate them. They are good at ko'ing cans, have a good physique and they get carried away thinking that translates to world level when it doesn't
I know people are defending him but the case was in court, he was charged and released on bond but the victim accepted an "apology". Statements are available online from officers. They were called to a hotel on the Las Vegas Strip at 07:30am and he was found detained by security officers with a woman with injury's including swollen eyebrows, a possible broken nose, a bust lip and red marks on her neck. Lets not beat around the bush, he was sleeping with a hooker behind his wifes back, they had sex all night and in the morning he thought she stole from him so he beat her up. After contacting the victim during the court process they settled out of court and she didn't press charges, this allowed him to escape jail and continue his career
why do people on this forum act like they are some righteous, do-gooder, perfect MFers.
Everybody on this site has sinned, and made mistakes one time or another in their life's. The only difference is, is that we are not public figures
the same fools condemning fighters for domestic violence, gambling, drinking, over-eating and homo remarks have done the same things in their life's.
This is a boxing forum, not Dr. Phil
hahahahahaha hilarious!
I was at the casino last Saturday, got pretty damn drunk until 4am, went to a kebab shop and over ate while I waited on a taxi and yeah, I'm pretty sure I made a homophobic comment at some point in the night........I didn't go home and beat on my girlfriend though.....
well, maybe a little :spankme:
Agreed. Fury defending his titles versus bum Klitschko, Frampton defending against bum Quigg, McDonnell travelling to defending against bum Kameda (twice) and Selby going to America to beat Montiel. Classic tea drinkers always fighting bums at home.
Lets not forget DeGale and his bum fights at home. Crolla has an easy defence against that bum Barroso as well. Shocking!
I see a big left hook landing on Wilder while he's off balance and going backwards with his arms up. Povetkin will get up close and personal, be too strong in the clinch and Wilder's defence will let him down
1 .- Alexander Povetkin (Russia)
2 .- Bermane Stiverne (Haiti/Canada)
3 .- Kubrat Pulev (Bulgaria) EBU
4 .- Johann Duhaupas (France) SILVER
5 .- Carlos Takam (Cameroon)
6 .- Joseph Parker (New Zealand) OPBF
7 .- Andy Ruiz (Mexico) NABF
8 .- David Haye (GB)
9 .- Bryant Jennings (US)
10 .- Malik Scott (US)
11 .- Artur Szpilka (Poland)
12 .- Eric Molina (US)
13 .- Dereck Chisora (GB)
14 .- Ruslan Chagaev (Uzbekistan/Germany)
15 .- Gerald Washington (US)
How the hell did he get in there? I haven't checked rankings in a while but I assumed he too De Mori's WBA ranking, how is he ranked by the WBC after 1 fight in 3 years?
It's a bit strange how quickly they flew home and started saying the fight was off and they wanted their money. The fact is, this case is under investigation with the outcome still to be determined. The WBC will have to get the scientific evidence and prove that he took meldonium after Jan 1st to call this fight off. If Povetkin can prove he hasn't used after that date and just had traces in his system 5/6 months later (which is likely after reading about the drug and what the manufacturer has said) then it will be a postponement and the fight goes on.
They have already gave passes to other athletes testing positive, Sharapova's hearing is in London today I believe? I could be wrong but it will be interesting to see what precedent they set with her case...
Still doesn't sit well with me knowing these people are using PED's whether they are "legal" or not. I was going with Povetkin but I hope the fight goes ahead ext couple months and Wilder decapitates him
I'd love to go through one of these threads without seeing American racial ****. It's tiring already and I've only been a member 2 weeks! seriously, it comes across like you are all racists, black or white. **** all of you that bring it up
Well no...but to be fair Americans dont jump on Hype Jobs like Connor McGregggggooooor , Anthony Joshua or/namely Tyson Fury ; you got to be certified round hur.
I'll agree with Joshua but Mcgregor wiped out the 145lb division and Fury didn't have any hype behind him and still doesn't after the Klitschko fight. You're only a hype job if the media or fans are hyping you as the best before you have beaten the best. Fury and Mcgregor both beat champions undefeated for a decade so, regardless if they were hyped before, they cannot be called hype jobs after doing the deed
Great post, thanks for this assessment. I need to go watch more fights of both fighters as well. I already was both favoring, and rooting for Martin, but now this confirms my choice a little bit more.
Martin is no mug. Joshua fans that have watched his last 15 fights have got used to seeing him just plod forward and smashing guys and so they think it's going to happen again, they think he's unbeatable. Martin is a big dude with good timing and reflexes and he'll catch Joshua if he just plods forward trying to land his jab with no head movement or feints like in his previous fights.
I have already put £50 on Martin to win at 7/1. I personally want Martin to win as well just from his personality, he seems like a cool guy, speaks his mind and I can support someone like him that takes chances like this. If he beats Joshua he has a fan in me....even though I'm British I'd like to see the Joshua hype train derailed and It would be good to have 1 serious American HW champion as Wilder is going to lose his next fight Imo.
I wouldnt know I dont follow that sh*t sport , but I do enjoy the hillbilly type violence...speaking of that that Gypsy over there in UK has been getting press coverage up the ass ; I would think he had his own channel..so maybe Im wrong.
I suspect you're wrong about a lot of things...
It looked like it took a good 6 rounds for Wilder to figure out the range and distance in the Spzilka fight. He made a lot of mistakes as well, missing punches and putting himself off balance in the first 3 rounds especially. He can't do that with Povetkin. If it takes Wilder 6 rounds to warm up against Povetkin it means he is finished early. Povetkin will get inside and he WILL land, Wilders balance and footwork is not the best and he has never shown an ability to tie up on the inside, he tries to jump backwards with his hands raised and keep distance as defence, Povetkin will be far more aggressive than Spzilka was and will pressure him early and have him out of there.
Wilder will have to box better than he has ever done and not make the mistakes I've seen in his last 3 fights. The pressure and crowd could play a part. Will his boxing and composure go out the window once he gets hit and the crowd get excited?
In 30+ fights he hasn't fought any body most boxing fans have in their personal top 10. I hadn't heard about Stiverne honestly, the fact Wilder beat him means nothing to me. I checked Boxrec after seeing his ko % and it's quite obvious why he has that record. He's been learning on the job, beat a weak champion for the belt and has fought nothing but bums in his defences. That's the reason why he's not a star. He hasn't been in a BIG fight yet.
Now that he's a champion with a belt and is away to fight a genuine top 5 opponent this could change very quickly. If he wins in Russia I'll regard him as a genuine champion. Also, If he wins that he's 1 fight away from being the genuine undisputed number 1 in the division. By the end of this year, if he wins his next 2 fights he will be a star Imo. I just don't see him beating Povetkin or Fury/Klitschko but fair play if he does
I've watched all the fights I could dig up on Martin, I've also watched Joshua's last 5 fights and a couple others. I can't really make a call on this but I can make a case for both fighters winning.
Martin has went the distance a few times and has a good % of ko's in the later rounds, I haven't seen him lose many rounds in any of the fights I've seen and he looks sharp in the later rounds, doesn't appear to tire at any point in his fights. He seems to work on reflexes and counter punch, he just reads guys well and tries to throw sharp and accurate punches with both hands. I think Martin is a bigger, slower David Haye in style at distance but that is where the similarity ends.
Joshua has rushed out and pummelled guys and hasn't really sharpened any boxing skills or learned to pace himself like Martin has. His sheer size and power have been enough to get the job done very much like Wilder in most of his fights. After landing a stiff jab he just closes in and opens up, most of the guys haven't been good enough or big enough to cope with this and have been finished early. Joshua has very plodding footwork and no head or lateral movement, he doesn't box on his toes like Martin or Klitschko either or hasn't shown it as of yet, his reflexes and timing are not as good as a result, he doesn't look as sharp.
I think if Martin can use his size and lateral movement as a defence, and time Joshua whenever he is in distance, he can outbox him in the early rounds and take Joshua into deep water. I believe him when he said he gets stronger as I've seen him still looking good or better in the later rounds. If it goes past 6 I think Martin will Ko him in the later rounds. If Joshua catches him and backs Martin up into the corner or the ropes then we know what will happen, Joshua will let go and could finish him, Martin needs to survive these exchanges and counter to stop Joshua trying this, preferably not get caught or hurt to begin with. Joshua's best chance is to finish him early because he won't beat Martin with the jab or relying on boxing from distance.
I heard David Haye saying that he was told from trusted sources that Martin doesn't lose rounds in sparring, I don't think Joshua will outbox him and win rounds from what I've seen.
I'm going to go for Martin by Ko around round 9.....But I'll hold my hands up if joshua does manage to Ko him early. It's his only chance and 1 punch could turn it around at any tiime
Haye just wants that payday at this stage in his career. I don't believe he has any intention of getting mandatory for the belts or even cares about being the best. He wants to fight a novice and get a huge payday and that's it. I'm sick of his social media push and turning up at every fight and event to promote himself, it's so ****ing obvious what he's doing. Why don't you fight Ortiz or Browne seeing you're top 15 with the WBA and get your own belt. If Joshua wins I hope he makes Haye wait and fight some decent opposition as there are fighters out there more deserving than him
I've never rated him as a great boxer but there's no denying his amateur and pro record. For someone of his height and reach his record is damn good at HW. I see him as World level with Klitschko being elite. Will be a good victory for Wilder and put him right up there
Povetkin does everything well and carries power. He's got a ton of experience fighting in big fights against all manner of styles. Wilder could be gone if he ****s up
Bit early for this talk. I have no idea if Fury can be arsed getting out of bed never mind get himself up for fighting all these bums after the Klitschko fight.
It always is unless big money is involved. You know he is guaranteed a fight with Brook within a year any way. I can't see the other champs gifting him a shot and the other contenders will likely avoid him. It's the same story in a lot of divisions. If Brook can't get a big name then Spence is the next big fight out there so I hope he doesn't wait for the mandatory to be called and just gives him a shot if he can't unify