HBO ratings flop for Ortiz-Thompson

In his defense, he posts numbers from ratings websites and not pulling it out of his ass like OP. OP may or may not be right, but I sure as hell don't believe him right now Like I said... 800k > Ortiz-Thompson 735k

jesus you think pigeons is a good poster......ow lord In his defense, he posts numbers from ratings websites and not pulling it out of his ass like OP. OP may or may not be right, but I sure as hell don't believe him right now

Neither HBO nor Showtime ever "makes a profit" on a non-PPV boxing telecast. The only way they can make a "profit" off a telecast if it's PPV. Maybe not always but the model is pretty apparent.

It just had upsets that's all. No one was saying it was going to be one of the most exciting, so a mass amount of people didn't just buy because they knew. In hindsight it was exciting because the unexpected happened. If a popular boxing card would have had upsets in both the main event and co main event, boxing fans would be saying that 'boxing is alive again', and 'that's what boxing is all about', and 'this is the best fighting the best', 'no divas', 'we won'. Boxing rules allow for the favorite to win, more times than not. Boxing is all about who follows the rules to their styles advantage. This is just a knee jerk reaction. In boxing if you relatively suck at the top level, you suck 9 out of 10 times, with one big upset your whole life. In MMA if you relatively suck at the top level, good news you're in luck, you're one punch away, or a choke away from winning that title. Being washed up and out of shape in boxing is way worse than being washed up and out of shape in MMA. There's no such thing as a similarly sized fighter getting off the couch with 10 days notice and beating Andre Ward, Sergey Kovalev, Roman Gonzalez, Guillermo Rigondeaux or Gennady Golovkin in boxing. No such luck, no matter who you are. It still did a lot of buys. Not as much as before the injury/replacement but it's McGregor, so a lot of people would have bought.

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It's coming back? Larry David is busy running for president.

I'd love to go through one of these threads without seeing American racial ****. It's tiring already and I've only been a member 2 weeks! seriously, it comes across like you are all racists, black or white. **** all of you that bring it up

Pigeons have to wait for his official numbers jesus you think pigeons is a good poster......ow lord

yeah and both of you hate whitey basing this off of????

Considering what it was headed up against, who can be surprised? Also did anyone actually think Thompson had a chance? This was another mismatch main event. Boxing has had several of them recently. exactly Thompson seems like a good guy but should never have a license to fight. Ortiz shoulda refused the fight

if you want to see a movie wrote and directed by Larry, watch sour grapes, funny movie ala Larry David/Sienfeld style... larry david is a demonic jew who pissed on a picture of Jesus. I am not no religious nut at all but they is way out of line even for the descendants of the Christ killers who write and act in that show

He doesn't hate it, only the guys affiliated with the evil black man haymon :lol1: yeah and both of you hate whitey

Considering what it was headed up against, who can be surprised? Also did anyone actually think Thompson had a chance? This was another mismatch main event. Boxing has had several of them recently.

BAD averaged 730k viewers last year according to Dan Rafael, so a number below 800k isn't necessarily surprising. Ortiz's last fight, against Bryant Jennings, only averaged 616k with a 735k peak. It's possible these numbers are better than that card, and if so, part of the difference might've been having what I assume was a better ratings opener with Vargas-Ali.

That's not really a bad number imo. There was also a Showtime card, a UFC PPV, and a NBA game on last night. 800K is a terrible number for HBO. In 2011, HBO's boxing telecasts averaged over 1.2 million viewers...800K is almost a 30% drop. In 2014, HBO's boxing telecasts averaged 1 million viewers...800K is a 20% decrease. HBO has 32 million U.S. subscribers, up 2.7 million from the start of last year. Declining viewer totals with rising subscriber totals isn't a good thing.

UFC put Holm and McGregor on the same card. Everything else on that night was sure to do badly. I'm sure no one at HBO is surprised.

Why would that be? Just because they did less than 800K views doesn't mean they didn't make a profit. If they are making profits, then it'd be dumb to expect a budget cut. Neither HBO nor Showtime ever "makes a profit" on a non-PPV boxing telecast. The only way they can make a "profit" off a telecast if it's PPV.

It's not boxing shooting itself in the foot. First class venues are hard to get this time of year; boxing is competing with NBA, NCAA and NHL. There are limited venues available, so the networks can't always move the cards to more favorable TV dates. Friday is a terrible idea. Lowest HUT (homes using television) night of the entire week. Nothing gets viewership on Friday. That's where network series go to die. True on both points. That said, A Tuesday or Friday card for fights of this caliber would not have lost so many fans to the MMA card.

Boxing has shot itself in the foot the past 2 weekends. Putting on simultaneous cards is bad enough, but then two minor cards up against MacGregor wasn't the best idea. Maybe I'm wrong but I think cards like this would do much better on a Tuesday or Friday. It's not boxing shooting itself in the foot. First class venues are hard to get this time of year; boxing is competing with NBA, NCAA and NHL. There are limited venues available, so the networks can't always move the cards to more favorable TV dates. Friday is a terrible idea. Lowest HUT (homes using television) night of the entire week. Nothing gets viewership on Friday. That's where network series go to die.

I watched it, mainly for Vargas-Ali. I can see why it didn't do big numbers though.