Why is this kid not a star like Tyson and Holyfield were back in the day? You'd think he'd be all over ESPN every time he fought like Tyson used to be...
He's an Olympic medal winner, and has the highest KO % in boxing I'm guessing amongst guys with 30+ fights...
Is it because boxing is just a niche sport these days? Wilder has the personality to draw people in like Tyson did yet he's a virtual nobody outside of big fans of the sport..
What has to change to bring back the days where an American Heavyweight Champ is a household name? Everyone knew who Ali,Frazier,Foreman,Holmes,Tyson,Holyfield were....now people couldn't pick Wilder out of a lineup...
He only started fighting live bodies when he fought stiverne. Give him time. If he gets past Povetkin many more will take notice, and so on.
imagine the state of boxing and the fans to where a guy becomes heavyweight champ THEN starts to learn to fight???
KOed bums towards the titld shots.
Defended against mediocrd opponents. How can he be a star?
Even in KO wins, he looked bad.
if dou-slap-us made wilder look like a gargoyle he will be in trouble with povetkin
I think Deontay Wilder now has the best heavyweight resume in boxing. After yesterday's fights, BoxRec has elevated both Molina and Duhaupas into their top 20. So Wilder has 4 wins vs. top 20 heavyweights.
and after Povetkin, he will have the best resume in the heavyweight division :boxing: BOOOOMB SQUUUUUAAAD
Wladimir Klitschko has the best resume in boxing by a million miles.
I think Deontay Wilder now has the best heavyweight resume in boxing. After yesterday's fights, BoxRec has elevated both Molina and Duhaupas into their top 20. So Wilder has 4 wins vs. top 20 heavyweights.
and after Povetkin, he will have the best resume in the heavyweight division :boxing: BOOOOMB SQUUUUUAAAD
Wilder didn't draw 13,000 fans, they were all Poles out supporting Szpilka. Wilder has no fans.
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He won the Poles! they are in the Squad now!
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On the surface, 36-0 with 35 ko's is impressive but when we take a deeper look Wilder's resume is lacking. Wilder is a title holder and a top five HW but the American audience hasn't bought into him yet. It also doesn't help that the best fighter he faced was the fighter he couldn't knockout. Wilder did answer some questions about himself in that fight, however. Many people thought he would lose.
The other top fighters in the division are not American. Wilder may have to travel for most of his biggest fights. Defeating Povetkin and then the Fury/Klitschko winner will legitimize him as a champion and should also make him a star. It would help his cause if there was a popular heavyweight for him to challenge though.
It would've been better if Wilder built his resume fighting better American heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson.
Wilder-Szpilka drew 13,000 people to Barclays Center. The number of fighters who can sell 13,000 tickets in the U.S. can be counted on one hand (or at most 7 fingers). He's not a star? By current standards he definitely is.
"...better heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson"????? You're joking, right?
- Cunningham lost to every decent heavyweight he faced. People would have said Wilder cherrypicked a smaller guy had he fought Cunningham.
- Thompson? The 44-year-old guy who lost on Bounce TV his last time out? Yeah, great resume-builder.
Wilder didn't draw 13,000 fans, they were all Poles out supporting Szpilka. Wilder has no fans.
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I dont get why fans hate on wilder. He knocks out everyone they put in front of him and has only been boxing since like 18 or 19. Dude is learning on the job and still never fails to put on an exciting fight.
I like Wilder more with every fight that he has. His last fight against Szpilka impressed me. He was fighting an awkward and difficult fighter but Deontay showed the smarts to use his height and reach advantage. Sure, he made some mistakes but he did very well that night. Also, I think Wilder has shown he's got a lot of heart so far. That's really important. If he keeps fighting like this and he shows a classy attitude then I'm going to be a big fan of his.
Sure, like Holyfield and Lennox were playing the bad guy role, right?
If you want to play the victim role you'd better find better excuses than that. Stop crying.
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Holywho? Oh the guy that got his ear bitten off by Mike Tyson, ok. Lennox had European backing.:wave:
Wilder has a great resume. He has 5 wins (4 by KO) vs. top 50 heavyweights.
http://boxrec.com/records?reset=1&sex=m&division=Heavyweight&status=
Top 10:
Malik Scott #9
Top 20:
Bermane Stiverne #18
Top 30:
Artur Szpilka #27
Top 40:
Johann Duhaupas #38
Top 50:
Eric Molina #43
Stiverne was in the top ten when Wilder beat him. I believe around five or six.
When casuals think of Heavyweight boxing they think Ali, Tyson, Lewis, Foreman all intimidating as hell and built, proportionately.
Ain't nobody interested in some NBA reject who appears to have rickets.
Hasn't fought anybody even Stevie Wonder could see he just isn't much good you don't have too know boxing to see he is flawed as hell. There is no sense of invincibility and his awkward physique probably does him no favours.
Tyson & Holy looked mean as f*ck and were built like juggernauts. Ain't nobody taking somebody with legs like that seriously.
If that guy gets hit with a good shot his scrawny ass legs will snap and shoot up his ar5e.
Wilder-Szpilka drew 13,000 people to Barclays Center. The number of fighters who can sell 13,000 tickets in the U.S. can be counted on one hand (or at most 7 fingers). He's not a star? By current standards he definitely is.
"...better heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson"????? You're joking, right?
- Cunningham lost to every decent heavyweight he faced. People would have said Wilder cherrypicked a smaller guy had he fought Cunningham.
- Thompson? The 44-year-old guy who lost on Bounce TV his last time out? Yeah, great resume-builder.
Wilder is not a star yet. That is a fact whether you look at it by current standards or not. He is the biggest heavyweight name in the US at the moment and will gain more popularity with each fight as long as he keeps winning.
I'm not talking about Wilder fighting those names in 2016 or even 2015 but those would've been good names to fight 3 or four years ago when Wilder was building his resume and hadn't won a title yet. Wilder facing Thompson after Thompson ko'd Price twice would've been a solid fight for him at the time and he would've had a common opponent with Wlad. A fight with Jennings would've been good too a few years ago. Two undefeated American heavyweights facing off would've definitely been good for the division. Jennings also beat Szpilka as well so I wouldn't talk down on him as an opponent. My main point was these three fighters are more recognizable names and better fighters than guys like Firtha, Liakovich and Gavern.
On the surface, 36-0 with 35 ko's is impressive but when we take a deeper look Wilder's resume is lacking. Wilder is a title holder and a top five HW but the American audience hasn't bought into him yet. It also doesn't help that the best fighter he faced was the fighter he couldn't knockout. Wilder did answer some questions about himself in that fight, however. Many people thought he would lose.
The other top fighters in the division are not American. Wilder may have to travel for most of his biggest fights. Defeating Povetkin and then the Fury/Klitschko winner will legitimize him as a champion and should also make him a star. It would help his cause if there was a popular heavyweight for him to challenge though.
It would've been better if Wilder built his resume fighting better American heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson.
Wilder-Szpilka drew 13,000 people to Barclays Center. The number of fighters who can sell 13,000 tickets in the U.S. can be counted on one hand (or at most 7 fingers). He's not a star? By current standards he definitely is.
"...better heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson"????? You're joking, right?
- Cunningham lost to every decent heavyweight he faced. People would have said Wilder cherrypicked a smaller guy had he fought Cunningham.
- Thompson? The 44-year-old guy who lost on Bounce TV his last time out? Yeah, great resume-builder.
This is so true! Watching the Frampton-Quigg fight on TV was awesome... I can't imagine how it would be to actually be there! The closest I've seen are the MLS games we have here in the States. The crowd was chanting and beating their drums the entire time. It was pretty great. You rarely get that here.
Oh man, soccer is crazy. I went to the World Cup years ago with a girl I was dating who was Bolivian...Bolivia vs South Korea and it was absolutely insane with the crowd chanting and the drums and flags..best atmosphere at a sporting event I've ever encountered....
Boxing in the US in general is suffering. Wilder is not the only American boxer suffering from a drop in ratings. I think it's because fans still haven't gotten acclimated to PBC, it will complete it's 1 year mark next month. I think that as HBO starts declining, people will start seeing PBC as the new head of boxing. And that's when the PBC fighters will get more popular.
PBC could put on a fight between the ghost of Arturo Gatti vs present day Mickey Ward tomorrow and it would still look like a local public access show that I would struggle mightily to sit through.
On the surface, 36-0 with 35 ko's is impressive but when we take a deeper look Wilder's resume is lacking. Wilder is a title holder and a top five HW but the American audience hasn't bought into him yet. It also doesn't help that the best fighter he faced was the fighter he couldn't knockout. Wilder did answer some questions about himself in that fight, however. Many people thought he would lose.
The other top fighters in the division are not American. Wilder may have to travel for most of his biggest fights. Defeating Povetkin and then the Fury/Klitschko winner will legitimize him as a champion and should also make him a star. It would help his cause if there was a popular heavyweight for him to challenge though.
It would've been better if Wilder built his resume fighting better American heavyweights like Cunningham, Jennings and Thompson.
Boxing in the US in general is suffering. Wilder is not the only American boxer suffering from a drop in ratings. I think it's because fans still haven't gotten acclimated to PBC, it will complete it's 1 year mark next month. I think that as HBO starts declining, people will start seeing PBC as the new head of boxing. And that's when the PBC fighters will get more popular.