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There's a good reason why many people think a slick counterpuncher would be the best "style" of fighter to beat pac. Can you imagine anybody beating him while going toe to toe and coming forward instead? The fact that he got outboxed by JMM in their previous fights was true. BUT, I think one thing people like to often overlook is that Pac isn't the same fighter he was when he fought JMM years ago. Just look at how much he's improved as a fighter. In the first fight against JMM all he knew was the straight left. He's become a much more complete fighter since then.

depends on Zab's mentality that given night. With his skillset, Zab should have gotten much farther in the sport and in his career. If it weren't for his lack of mental toughness who knows what heights he could have reached... I'd say Zab ends up quitting halfway through the fight like he always does.

I think the idea of streetfights ending up on the ground is overrated. How many times have you seen people get into shit at a bar or a club and lay on his back inviting the other guy into his guard? Not only that, a lot of grappling and groundwork wouldn't work on say blacktop or on hardass concrete. You'd bust your knees up on a hard floor just trying to go for many varieties of takedowns.

Pretty boy floyd, aka money, aka the creme de la creme, aka shit talker, aka jive walker aka money mayweather here. Just wanted to let all of my fans on boxingscene know that I love you all, and the haters can keep on hatin'! ~Love, Floyd.

i think there are more retards on this forum than anything else. The ones who defy logic.

an emphatic NO.

Pac was frustrated from trying to walk Cotto down in the late rounds and couldnt get to him until Cotto stopped moving, what makes you think it will be any different against Floyd. and I'm not saying that Pac will beat Floyd. The point of my original post is to pose a question that I feel has not been addressed in the other matchup threads. I see Pac and Floyd getting to the juncture that I explained. THEN I'm asking what will happen at that point. I really can't say myself.

the thing about floyd is his corner...roger knows his shit...he's been off about pacquaio...but one thing that he is good at is telling floyd what to do when readjusting...and floyd (unlike many or damn near all fighters) listens to the T...this makes it extremely hard to fight him cause for 12 rounds, you might fight 12 different fights... manny has unbelievable pressure tactics...the one thing that he will have to do to even consider knocking down floyd is to make him throw shots and leave himself open for a counter...something that mayweather barely does...but it is possible...oscar tried to throw random flurries at the beginning of their fight and got through...but he got discouraged (and rightly so due to the lack of damage)...after that...it was almost expected when he threw and mayweather was able to adjust accordingly...but manny has some serious power in his shots...he clocked the **** out of cotto...the problem is that while those shots were flush and to the lower part of cotto's head...by the neck...mayweather rarely gets hit by those types of punches...manny is going to have to figure how how to best attack him with a punch that can't be weakened by floyds body or shoulder movement and attempt to ware him down from there... if manny tries to throw long combination's...floyd will be alert after every punch...marquez and oscar threw long combos...more than 4 or 5 punches and mayweather was responsive to damn near everyone of them...if manny tries that...he runs the risk of slowing down after punch X...leaving floyd to counter at opportunity Y...and floyd won't be looking for just a random shot...he will find something that will completely disrupt manny's combo...he is going to have to find a better way to unload on floyd...cause the second he gets sloppy...the counter becomes more of a mandatory thing against him...and after last night...manny can be open for them damn near an entire fight... great point about the combinations bro. I agree that will be another thing for both of these fighters to be aware of. Even though I see combinations as Pac's initial strategy to make it harder for Floyd to time him and possibly keep Floyd out of rhythm. Floyd could just take advantage of Manny getting sloppy and discouraged if Pac can't find the mark. Another big thing that could make Pac an easy target of PBF's sharp counterpunching is that Pac often gets off balance after he throws his combinations. You often see his footwork stumbling afterwards. Possibly because he's so damn punch happy :boxing:

Horus, I've seen the video before. That still doesn't say anything about how the actual fight will pan out.

Yo Horus, I didn't need to see that word document you call a post. You probably had it saved up for a moment like this huh? Secondly, all the information that you have in there has nothing to do with my post so I can't even really consider it a response. It's more of a wikipedia article or a page out of "floyd mayweather for dummys" than it is in any way a coherent post. My question is, "in the pocket" will Manny be effective against Floyd? Because I'm assuming that is where the fight will end up. That is where the problem lies. Everyone who has got in the pocket against Floyd seems to have had no effect despite being within half an arm reach away. Will Pac suffer the same fate? I would normally say yes. But the odd variables that Pac has going for him that the others didn't have are: 1) Manny is a southpaw 2) Manny has power in both hands AND can throw bombs from all extreme twisting, turning, and contorting angles

If you just watch the first round of Marquez/Pac II, every time Pac tries to throw a punch Marquez steps back, leaving Pac off balanced and then counters, the right hand lands all night too, Marquez does this every single round, thats how he fights, Floyd fights like this also and is faster, smarter and with better feet, and thats just one way to beat Pac. What you say is true, but I think everyone on nsb will agree Pac isn't the same fighter he was the last time he fought Marquez. He's improved on himself and expanded his skillset within the span of those fights. Even just a handful of fights ago, the dude was basically a one handed fighter and look at him now. Balance has never been a strength for Manny either but we'll see how the gameplan is that him and Roach come up with. I'm pretty sure it won't include bullcharging in "every single round".

accomplishments and career: Pacquiao just talent and skillset: Roy Jones

I wanna say Pacman will take this one, but at the same time I think Pac's been overachieving at the higher weights to begin with. Like many posters already said, Pac hasn't really been tested above 130 yet, and Hatton is a beast in terms of speed and power himself. While Pac is the more skilled fighter, Hatton would be the first truly bigger, stronger, and game fighter he's fought that will actually put up a challenge.

pffft.... pwill wouldn't have a chance against most of the people on that list. And with really no explanation needed.

I actually think Floyd would beat Pea. Even on a skillset level, I think Floyd holds every advantage over Pea if you really wanna break it down.

PBF's counterpunching will keep Manny at bay moreso than any fighter that has faced him. Anything JMM does, PBF does it better, so think about that. But theres one other thing we can't overlook, Manny will be definitely the fastest fighter PBF has ever faced as well. (besides Zab Judah, but he doesn't throw in 6 shot lightning fast combinations like Pac does). You can't counterpunch between a combination like that. And Manny moves his head more than a bobblehead, so he won't be a stationary target for PBF's lead right.

Theres too much speculation that could go on with this fight. The only thing you can really say is that Pac has never fought a technically brilliant fighter like PBF before, and PBF has never faced someone as physically gifted with speed and power like Manny before. We can talk about whether Floyd could counterpunch Manny, or that Mannys volume could eventually crack Floyd's defense. But who knows? Neither has faced a beast like the other.

For sure, it would be a close fight. To answer the question? No, Pac won't be able to hit Floyd too consistently. If Pac wins, he would win by punch output, and most likely decision. I just can't see Floyd getting hit with anything big like Hatton did. But also, I don't see Floyd being able to potshot Manny like he does against everybody else. Pac has great head movement and he's also just as quick as Floyd. Plus the fact that he always throws in lightning fast combinations, you can't counterpunch in between those combinations. When Manny throws like that, a few will get in. Plus the fact that Manny's not only a volume puncher, but an accurate volume puncher.

Manny's 2 greatest wins are sloppy second left overs from Floyd. If Floyd comes back and beats JMM he becomes p4p #1 again by default. Yeah, who cares about those bums, Barrera, Morales, and JMM. I'll admit the fact that DLH was still game when he fought PBF, but was a corpse when he fought Pac. But Hatton was just as game since the time PBF beat him. Only Manny did it better.

Don't remember exactly what I scored it, but I had Calzaghe ahead by 2 or 3 rounds. I thought it was ugly but pretty clear cut.

I don't always agree with horus, but I have to admit this was a pretty good post.

He shouldn't have to fight any more great fighters. He should just be titled p4p greatest ever and just take money fights from now on until whenever he feels like retiring. Because that's whats so great about the sport of boxing, you make a name for yourself and rest on your laurels. The present and future is overrated.

AA will have to work if he doesn't want to let Pwill take all the rounds just by sheer activity. However I think if AA punches Pwill in the chest, his lungs might collapse.

I cant remember Joe Calzaghe's first 3 defences of his SPMW World Title being in the calibre of : Pascal , Taylor & Dirrell . (I know Pascal was for the vacant title but still) The guy is 3 & 0 against all of the above love him or hate him respect is deserved !!!!!!! Calzaghe's wins over Eubank, Kessler and Bhop are all better wins than those. Froch struggling with Dirrell? Calzaghe would have mopped the floor with all of those guys including Froch. Calzaghe could probably hit training camp now after being inactive all this time and still win every round against Froch.

Yeah, it was the tenth that he was penalized, but landed a series of counters that wobbled Froch in waning seconds of the round. Oh ok. I figured you would've had it 10-10 for an even round. I gave it to Froch as IMO, he won it when he landed a left hook that stunned Dirrell. Other than that nothing really happened that round. Who did you have winning the fight?

Quick question though; is the 8th a typo? You have it 9-9. I actually had both the 8th and 10th rounds tied at 9-9. One of those rounds (I forget which one) Dirrell got penalised for "leaning in" but I had Dirrell winning that round as he hurt Froch a little before the bell rang. The other 9-9 round, I just called it a tie because neither fighter did much of anything. If I picked one or the other It really would have been a coinflip for me because I didnt think either had the advantage over the other. I should rewatch that round though maybe I'd be able to pick a winner after a second viewing.

I just watched the fight for the first time on youtube. I scored it: 1. Dirrell 2. Dirrell 3. Dirrell 4. Dirrell 5. Dirrell 6. Froch 7. Froch 8. 9-9 even 9. Froch 10. 9-0 even 11. Dirrell 12. Dirrell 115-111 Dirrell. I agree that Dirrell should have been penalized a point for excessive holding, but the referee didn't. I guess the "leaning in" penalty made up for it. Froch on the other hand couldn't really be penalized for hitting in the back of the head because Dirrell kept ducking below the belt line and what other target did he have? All in all, Dirrell was the MUCH cleaner, crisper puncher. He had way more pop in his shots. Froch rarely ever hit Dirrell cleanly. Froch's technique behind his punches looked horrible all fight and he really needs to learn how to throw a left hook. His balance was bad as usual also. I'm starting to think after watching Froch fights that he could really benefit from keeping his left hand up. Not only because it would keep a tighter guard, but more importantly it would help with his handspeed. His left jab and hook aren't quick enough for him to be holding it at waist level. It's cocky but its really not functional for him. Fighters who hold their left low at least have some handspeed. For those of you who gave Froch the win due to him coming forward: I love an aggressive fighter that comes forward, but the question is what he does when he finally gets inside. Froch didn't throw good enough combinations when he did get in. I had Calzaghe ahead by a good margin against Bhop in their fight. Calzaghe's pressure though was a LOT more effective than Froch's. Froch rarely threw combinations, and when he did they were very poor technique. Also he always looked like the one who was off balance, even after the combinations. I expect Froch to get knocked the **** out by Kessler next fight. Kessler's gonna catch him and catch him GOOD. Pretty sure it'll be Kessler vs. Abraham in the finals. Kessler to take home the trophy.

The problem is, I didn't agree with Dirrell's style of fighting either, but he still made clean contact whereas Froch didn't. Dirrell really should have lost at least a point earlier in the fight for excessive holding and/or falling on the floor on purpose to avoid close exchanges after he threw a combination. That was blatant and very pu$$y. Even with all of Dirrell's antics though, he still landed and he landed often. Honestly, this was the first Dirrell fight I've seen. Although this fight didn't make me a fan of Dirrell, this was DEFINITELY the absolute worst I've ever seen of Froch. He looked like a flat out bum plodding forward with his off balance and terrible punching technique. He is really going to get destroyed by Kessler. If he thinks Kessler's come forward style is going to suit him any better, he is even more ignorant to his own flaws than his fans.

I agree with everything you said. Kessler-Froch should be renamed Kessler-Andrade II. However, Froch cannot take and roll shots like Andrade can. He won't last the twelve. I agree, Kessler's putting him down.

How is Taylor a light puncher? He may not have one punch knockout type power, but he's definitely got some power in his punches. His combinations are solid when he wants to be. It's just a problem with his stamina and heart that he stops punching and fades late into his fights. (kind of like zab judah)