In what WeightClass & Percentage of PBF career will "YOU" judge FLOYD MAYWEATHER???

i just had to get this topic back on the board again..

I think you're making it a bit more complicated than it really is. If a fighter of Floyd's caliber is continuing to fight competitively, you can't just judge him on what he did at his earlier weights regardless of how long he fought in that division. Obviously Floyd moved up for the cake, but it's not as if he were handicapped moving up in weight and he fought several fights before the inevitable Oscar fight. Hence why I say he is game at 147. I for one would definitely like to see Floyd vs Pac. You'd be crazy not to want to see that. But IMO I don't think Floyd will stop there. Regardless of his previous accolades he hasn't reached the plateau or had that pinnacle fight like a Leonard or Hagler that would propell him to the mainstream audience. The Oscar and Hatton fights made him big money, but when he announced his retirement, the general public didn't care. That's why I believe he will end up fighting Pac, Mosley, and Cotto (or 2 of the 3). To the Boxing world, people will remember his fights with Castillo & Corrales as one of his great performances. But on the big stage, he hasn't had that type of performance that would have people talking for years to come. As I said before, there have been many before Floyd and there will be many after Floyd who will capture 3,4,5 world titles in different divisions. But the legendary fighters are remembered for their actual fights on the big stage. Floyd's had 2 so far and they haven't lived up to the enormous hype. What are your expectations of Floyd Mayweather? Im curious because I dont think you realize how much he has done in boxing. HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF HIS GENERATION. You can not accomplish more than that while reminding active.! Thats the point. you can not mention who is the best fighter in the past 10 years without mentioning Mayweather. He is already an All Time great He is already first ballot hall of famer He is already Greatest of his generation He is already the only person in history to Claim 5 weight divisions and capture 6 titles while staying undefeated. PRIME EXAMPLE: Oscar Fought Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday SRL fought Hagler to Enhance his legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday Ricky Hatton fought to Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday Oscar fought Tito to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday SRL fought Hearns to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday So if Floyd fought Cotto, It would Enhance His legecy to what...? So if Floyd fought an Old Mosely it would enhance his legacy to what..? "Greatest of His Generation"....? -Guess What? He already is. IMO Floyd needs to chase history. Not Chase just 1 divison. So why not go to 140 and get the lineal title if you are floyd. So why not go to 154 and get the lineal title if you are floyd So why not go to 160 and get the lineal title if you are floyd. My expectations of Floyd is to moved forward in terms of history not backwards.

Obviously we should judge Floyd by his career as a whole, while taking into account the variables of each situation. His work at 130 and 135 is where most of his merit as a fighter comes from. The things he did at 140, 147 and his single stint at 154 shouldnt hurt him seeing as he won all of those fight and has always been impressive. What will hurt Floyd is the fact that he never hit his ceiling, making it much harder to tell exactly how "Great" he truly is. We know how great he is to a point, but thats where it ends and we can only speculate how far it might have gone. No, people who trash him completely for not dominating the WW division arent be very fair. At the same time people who give him a complete pass on that for the work he did below it arent being completely fair: there was more for him to do, he walked away during his prime. Frankly I hope he makes a return and proves a little more one way or another over the course of a couple of more fights. Good Post; smart poster. Green K.

When I think of Duran I think Lightweight and Welterweight When I think of Hearns I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Sugar Ray Leonard I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Oscar I think Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight If you go to any boxing records site and look up a past fighter they sort them out by divisions. When I think of Floyd i think of Superfeatherweight and lightweight simply because that is the divison where i have seen most of his fights. and quite frankly this is the divison where most of his fights happen at. Floyd can come back to Jr. Middleweight, Welterweight, or Junior Welterweight. because he fought in all those divisions the same amount of time for the most part except for junior middleweight. I dont care what division he comes back to, as longs as he fights the reconize champion of that division. It doesnt matter because at the end of the day he is going into the HOF Floyd should come back and fight at 175 IMO. Why not fight Zsolt Erdei for the linear title? In that way he can call himself linear champion at WW AND LHW.

Truthfully I dont care if he fights at WW or Not. Once again: I think Floyd fans have no problem with floyd fighting Other WW's... The problem is that People saying he can ONLY fight Welterweights for it to be a legitimate fight and win, when he himself is not really a welterweight compare to the rest of the welterweights...he has had only 4 fights at WW. I Didnt see people having a problem with Middleweight Hopkins Fighting a jr.middleweight De La hoya at the time instead of a top middleweight I Didnt see people having with A jr. Middleweight Oscar De La Hoya Fighting a small welterweight in Mayweather at the time instead of a top jr.middleweight I Didnt see people having with Middleweight Marvin Hagler Fighting a jr. Middleweight in Thomas Hearns at the time instead of a top middleweight Why is that Mosely& Cotto can call out Pacquaio and Hatton but Floyd can't? (which he still havent did) Why cant Floyd fight people his own size and even smaller then him when he himself is a small dude fighting bigger dudes all the time is my point... People get mad because I apply the standards on other fighters that they apply to Floyd...but my whole thing is dont be a hypocrite. If you think it is Cool for Pacquaio to fight Hatton...Then you should think it's Cool For Pacquaio to fight Floyd... If you think It's cool for Floyd to fight Paul Williams, then you should think it's cool for Floyd to fight somebody has tremendous physical advnatages over... You get my point.... DONT MAKE SPECIAL RULES for Floyd and not everybody else. thats been my problem from day 1. DOUBLE STANDARDS I think you're making it a bit more complicated than it really is. If a fighter of Floyd's caliber is continuing to fight competitively, you can't just judge him on what he did at his earlier weights regardless of how long he fought in that division. Obviously Floyd moved up for the cake, but it's not as if he were handicapped moving up in weight and he fought several fights before the inevitable Oscar fight. Hence why I say he is game at 147. I for one would definitely like to see Floyd vs Pac. You'd be crazy not to want to see that. But IMO I don't think Floyd will stop there. Regardless of his previous accolades he hasn't reached the plateau or had that pinnacle fight like a Leonard or Hagler that would propell him to the mainstream audience. The Oscar and Hatton fights made him big money, but when he announced his retirement, the general public didn't care. That's why I believe he will end up fighting Pac, Mosley, and Cotto (or 2 of the 3). To the Boxing world, people will remember his fights with Castillo & Corrales as one of his great performances. But on the big stage, he hasn't had that type of performance that would have people talking for years to come. As I said before, there have been many before Floyd and there will be many after Floyd who will capture 3,4,5 world titles in different divisions. But the legendary fighters are remembered for their actual fights on the big stage. Floyd's had 2 so far and they haven't lived up to the enormous hype.

At the end of the day I do not require Mayweather to stay in 1 division and fight every up and comer their is ....Because he has already did that at 130. when he stayed there for 27 fights. As of Right Now. I just want to see Mayweather fight Big Names reguardless the weight class. from 140-160 i just dont care about him being in 1 division. I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history. History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154 History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140 Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in. Because at the end of the day every division has a Joshua Clottey and a Miguel Cotto. But every division does not have a Juan Manuel Marquez, or a Manny Pacquiao. and I want to see Mayweather fights with proven great fighters reguardless the weightclass.

I will judge him in his career at Superfeatherweight and Lighweight. I know he can get beat at any other weight, but in the lightweight division he was almost unbeatable. Almost, because he should've lost to Jose Luis Castillo in their first fight.

Maybe that's the issue, fighters shouldn't be tied down to what weight division they fought at the most when mentioning their status in the HOF if they're continuing their career on a competitive level. So in the end, its a little premature to judge Floyd's entire career when he's not finished. Who's to say he won't fight at WW for another 3-4 yrs? Truthfully I dont care if he fights at WW or Not. Once again: I think Floyd fans have no problem with floyd fighting Other WW's... The problem is that People saying he can ONLY fight Welterweights for it to be a legitimate fight and win, when he himself is not really a welterweight compare to the rest of the welterweights...he has had only 4 fights at WW. I Didnt see people having a problem with Middleweight Hopkins Fighting a jr.middleweight De La hoya at the time instead of a top middleweight I Didnt see people having with A jr. Middleweight Oscar De La Hoya Fighting a small welterweight in Mayweather at the time instead of a top jr.middleweight I Didnt see people having with Middleweight Marvin Hagler Fighting a jr. Middleweight in Thomas Hearns at the time instead of a top middleweight Why is that Mosely& Cotto can call out Pacquaio and Hatton but Floyd can't? (which he still havent did) Why cant Floyd fight people his own size and even smaller then him when he himself is a small dude fighting bigger dudes all the time is my point... People get mad because I apply the standards on other fighters that they apply to Floyd...but my whole thing is dont be a hypocrite. If you think it is Cool for Pacquaio to fight Hatton...Then you should think it's Cool For Pacquaio to fight Floyd... If you think It's cool for Floyd to fight Paul Williams, then you should think it's cool for Floyd to fight somebody has tremendous physical advnatages over... You get my point.... DONT MAKE SPECIAL RULES for Floyd and not everybody else. thats been my problem from day 1. DOUBLE STANDARDS

When I think of Duran I think Lightweight and Welterweight When I think of Hearns I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Sugar Ray Leonard I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Oscar I think Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight If you go to any boxing records site and look up a past fighter they sort them out by divisions. When I think of Floyd i think of Superfeatherweight and lightweight simply because that is the divison where i have seen most of his fights. and quite frankly this is the divison where most of his fights happen at. Floyd can come back to Jr. Middleweight, Welterweight, or Junior Welterweight. because he fought in all those divisions the same amount of time for the most part except for junior middleweight. I dont care what division he comes back to, as longs as he fights the reconize champion of that division. It doesnt matter because at the end of the day he is going into the HOF Maybe that's the issue, fighters shouldn't be tied down to what weight division they fought at the most when mentioning their status in the HOF if they're continuing their career on a competitive level. So in the end, its a little premature to judge Floyd's entire career when he's not finished. Who's to say he won't fight at WW for another 3-4 yrs?

F-ck HOF.........with Floyd's ability and flashiness he should have aimed higher in the mythical ATG.... Mythical is to subjective. What else can he accomplish in real life, not in fanasty. like it or not it's the truth. Floyd is going into the HOF. Great Career Floyd. If he comes back Welcome Back Floyd. I say pick a divison and go become the man of that division and retire. i dont care if it is 160,154,147, or 140. I just want him to enhance his legacy by making history. History would be if he went and got himself a middleweight title History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 154 History would be if he went and became a lineal champion @ 140 Those are the kind of fights i want to see him in. History defining fights. like I said before Floyd is already Greatest of His Generation What is the point of fighting Non-Status Enhancing Fights, If they dont bring you A Lucrative Payday or If he cant become the greatest fighter ever fighting these guys...?? He was already recognized as the P4P BEST since 2005 He was already recognized as the undisputed Lineal Champion He was and still is already recognized around the world the best boxer alive. He was already accomplish what no other fighter in history has never done The only thing he has left to accomplish is to be call the The Greatest of All Time Some people Comments About him not fighting "true challengers" is completely ignorant. Kevin Idle said it best: 1. Victories over 13 current, former or future world champions – Mayweather is frequently criticized for the level of his opposition, but he fought 13 men who were either champions at the time he fought them, were a world champion in the past or would go on to win a belt. And by saying world champion, I’m only referencing the IBF, WBA, WBC and WBO title belts. His victories were over, chronologically, Genaro Hernandez, Goyo Vargas, Corrales, Carlos Hernandez, Jesus Chavez, Jose Luis Castillo (back-to-back), DeMarcus Corley, Arturo Gatti, Sharmba Mitchell, Zab Judah, Carlos Baldomir, Oscar De La Hoya and Ricky Hatton. 2.Total domination – In his last six fights, Mayweather was amazingly dominant. There were a combined 168 scored rounds in those bouts, of which Mayweather won 141, meaning he won 83.9 percent of the rounds against men who were current or former champions. If you add in for the three rounds scored by three judges in his three knockouts, that goes up to 84.7 percent. HE IS THE GREATEST FIGHTER OF HIS GENERATION. You can not accomplish more than that while reminding active.! Thats the point. No one fight can make him the greatest of all time No one fight can make he better than SRR,SRL,Hearns,Hagler,Ali, etc. No one fight can change history.! Fighters are Judge on their entire Career, and how they dominated the generation they fought in. Floyd dominated his generation. No matter how much you Mainstream Hardcore Fans like to think. Beating Miguel Cotto will not overnight change history. Miguel Cotto is not a great fighter...! He is on the cusp of greatness.., and that is a huge difference. Floyd has only one thing left to accomplish in his career that is not cemented already. and that is to be called "The greatest Fighter ever" He is already an All Time great He is already first ballot hall of famer He is already Greatest of his generation He is already the only person in history to Claim 5 weight divisions and capture 6 titles while staying undefeated. He has already left his mark on boxing..! The only thing left is to be called the greatest fighter ever... If he cant accomplish the status of Greatest Fighter Ever Fighting Guys Like Margarito at this point of his career, or Make 20-30 million like he did against Hatton.. Why fight these guys, if they dont Enhance his legacy past what it already is... It is obvious people will never give him that status so why continue fighting for something he already has... And that is the recognition as the best boxer alive and P4P best.... Oscar Fought Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday SRL fought Hagler to Enhance his legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday Ricky Hatton fought to Floyd to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday Oscar fought Tito to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday SRL fought Hearns to Enhance his Legacy And Get a Lucrative Payday So if Floyd fought Cotto, It would Enhance His legecy to what...? "Greatest of His Generation"....? -Guess What? He already is So why should Floyd listen to guys like Margarito,Williams,Cotto calling him out, if they dont Enhance his Legacy And Get him Lucrative Payday ..? Like Floyd did for Oscar

The HOF isn't based on what division the fighter fought in more than them just having a respectable body of work. Henry Armstrong is a Hall of Famer who fought simultaneously at Featherweight and Welterweight. Nobody looks at him at being in any specific weight because he performed equally as good in each of them. Floyd has great accolades at 130-135, but he didn't become a name to the public until he reached the higher weight classes. Besides, Floyd hasn't fought at 130-135 in qite a long time. Is the HOF supposed to ignore what he's done post his days at 135? He's gone on to fight Baldomir, Zab, Gatti, De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. Two of those names are bigger than any name he's beaten prior (regardless if Oscar was past his prime and Hatton was a blown up WW). Floyd's career isn't over and when he returns you better believe it'll be at 147. When I think of Duran I think Lightweight and Welterweight When I think of Hearns I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Sugar Ray Leonard I think Welterweight and Middleweight When I think of Oscar I think Welterweight and Jr. Middleweight If you go to any boxing records site and look up a past fighter they sort them out by divisions. When I think of Floyd i think of Superfeatherweight and lightweight simply because that is the divison where i have seen most of his fights. and quite frankly this is the divison where most of his fights happen at. Floyd can come back to Jr. Middleweight, Welterweight, or Junior Welterweight. because he fought in all those divisions the same amount of time for the most part except for junior middleweight. I dont care what division he comes back to, as longs as he fights the reconize champion of that division. It doesnt matter because at the end of the day he is going into the HOF

in the division his fan will claim he can and did dominate which is the WW division. not really... floyd only went to WW to get a fight w/ dlh

Where's the whole career option?

in the division his fan will claim he can and did dominate which is the WW division.

Before I leave i wanted to bump this thread. Floyd @ Jr. Middle Weight = 1 Fight (WBC Champion) P4P#1 Floyd @ WW = 4 Fights (WBC,WBO, IBO Champion) P4P#1 Floyd @ Jr WW = 3 fights (WBC Champion)P4P#1 Floyd @ Lightweight = 4 Fights (WBC Champion) P4P#2 Floyd @ Jr. Lightweight = 27 Fights (WBC Champion) TOP 5 P4P Ummm I wonder what Division floyd will be place in when he goes into the HOF? I am pretty sure it will not be Welterweight. Floyd can come back to Jr. Middleweight, Welterweight, or Junior Welterweight. It doesnt matter because at the end of the day he is going into the HOF as a Jr. Lightweight/Superfeatherweight be back later. The HOF isn't based on what division the fighter fought in more than them just having a respectable body of work. Henry Armstrong is a Hall of Famer who fought simultaneously at Featherweight and Welterweight. Nobody looks at him at being in any specific weight because he performed equally as good in each of them. Floyd has great accolades at 130-135, but he didn't become a name to the public until he reached the higher weight classes. Besides, Floyd hasn't fought at 130-135 in qite a long time. Is the HOF supposed to ignore what he's done post his days at 135? He's gone on to fight Baldomir, Zab, Gatti, De La Hoya, and Ricky Hatton. Two of those names are bigger than any name he's beaten prior (regardless if Oscar was past his prime and Hatton was a blown up WW). Floyd's career isn't over and when he returns you better believe it'll be at 147.

at the end of the day you have to judge him based on his work at 130 cause that's where he spent most of his career

Before I leave i wanted to bump this thread. Floyd @ Jr. Middle Weight = 1 Fight (WBC Champion) P4P#1 Floyd @ WW = 4 Fights (WBC,WBO, IBO Champion) P4P#1 Floyd @ Jr WW = 3 fights (WBC Champion)P4P#1 Floyd @ Lightweight = 4 Fights (WBC Champion) P4P#2 Floyd @ Jr. Lightweight = 27 Fights (WBC Champion) TOP 5 P4P Ummm I wonder what Division floyd will be place in when he goes into the HOF? I am pretty sure it will not be Welterweight. Floyd can come back to Jr. Middleweight, Welterweight, or Junior Welterweight. It doesnt matter because at the end of the day he is going into the HOF as a Jr. Lightweight/Superfeatherweight be back later.

Obviously we should judge Floyd by his career as a whole, while taking into account the variables of each situation. His work at 130 and 135 is where most of his merit as a fighter comes from. The things he did at 140, 147 and his single stint at 154 shouldnt hurt him seeing as he won all of those fight and has always been impressive. What will hurt Floyd is the fact that he never hit his ceiling, making it much harder to tell exactly how "Great" he truly is. We know how great he is to a point, but thats where it ends and we can only speculate how far it might have gone. No, people who trash him completely for not dominating the WW division arent be very fair. At the same time people who give him a complete pass on that for the work he did below it arent being completely fair: there was more for him to do, he walked away during his prime. Frankly I hope he makes a return and proves a little more one way or another over the course of a couple of more fights. That's pretty much my opinion on Floyd. I never discredit what he's done, but in my eyes he didn't reach his Pinnacle just yet regardless of how many titles he's won. The names on your resume in total are what careers are remembered by mostly.

Obviously we should judge Floyd by his career as a whole, while taking into account the variables of each situation. His work at 130 and 135 is where most of his merit as a fighter comes from. The things he did at 140, 147 and his single stint at 154 shouldnt hurt him seeing as he won all of those fight and has always been impressive. What will hurt Floyd is the fact that he never hit his ceiling, making it much harder to tell exactly how "Great" he truly is. We know how great he is to a point, but thats where it ends and we can only speculate how far it might have gone. No, people who trash him completely for not dominating the WW division arent be very fair. At the same time people who give him a complete pass on that for the work he did below it arent being completely fair: there was more for him to do, he walked away during his prime. Frankly I hope he makes a return and proves a little more one way or another over the course of a couple of more fights. :boxing: great post.... although i dont agree with everything you said...Great post

Obviously we should judge Floyd by his career as a whole, while taking into account the variables of each situation. His work at 130 and 135 is where most of his merit as a fighter comes from. The things he did at 140, 147 and his single stint at 154 shouldnt hurt him seeing as he won all of those fight and has always been impressive. What will hurt Floyd is the fact that he never hit his ceiling, making it much harder to tell exactly how "Great" he truly is. We know how great he is to a point, but thats where it ends and we can only speculate how far it might have gone. No, people who trash him completely for not dominating the WW division arent be very fair. At the same time people who give him a complete pass on that for the work he did below it arent being completely fair: there was more for him to do, he walked away during his prime. Frankly I hope he makes a return and proves a little more one way or another over the course of a couple of more fights.