Why do people think a slick boxer will beat Pacquiao?

Floyd Mayweather is the perfect, elusive, defensive, slick, counter puncher that can beat Pac. When you watch Pac struggle in the first round of the Cotto fight due to Cotto jabbing and boxing him then you watch the JMM fight were Pac looked confused by JMM's counter punching its easy to see why we people think a slick fighter will beat him. Also he hasnt shown us that he can beat a fighter who wont come right at him yet. LOl using 1 round Burner. If you use 1 round of the Hatton VS May fight, then you can say Floyd would have trouble with Manny. Anyway, I feel that Pac is the ebst offensive fighter at 147 right now, maybe bar Mosley. But Mosely right now may not have the legs and is possibly too rusty to do anything. Pac on the other ahnds is pretty much in prime, although his body seems to get hurt a lot more and not repair fast. As for Maywetaher, yes he can beat Pac. Most definitely, but not slick boxers. Slick boxers like Forbes will get beat. No one else out there other than Maywetaher can ebat Manny. Mayweather is not simply a slick boxer, he's fast, precise, has great legs and vision. He has very long range and one of the most physically gifted guys today. The same will go to Pac when Mayweather faces him. No one Mayweather has seen is on Pac's level either. That's why I ****ing love this fight

I can see a counter puncher but the whole advantage of being slick is having better footwork/footspeed, being quicker/more elusive and having better handspeed than your opponent. In all honesty, what fighter has any of those advantages over Manny? This is why I don't get the whole "Slick fighter" arguement. I could see if he was an Arthur Abraham or Kelly Pavlik, but Pac is fast enough to cut off the ring against anyone in boxing, and with his footwork and cordination....I cant see anyone turning him either. Floyd Mayweather will frustrate and beat Manny if the fight ever happens.

Floyd Mayweather is the perfect, elusive, defensive, slick, counter puncher that can beat Pac. When you watch Pac struggle in the first round of the Cotto fight due to Cotto jabbing and boxing him then you watch the JMM fight were Pac looked confused by JMM's counter punching its easy to see why we people think a slick fighter will beat him. Also he hasnt shown us that he can beat a fighter who wont come right at him yet. you are wrong on the first round that you are talking about. in the first round any fighter in this fine boxing needs to measure his opponent. unless your are mike tyson and you are confident you can beat the guy in 5 or less rounds. Pacman now evolves in good tactical movement. he is too mental boxer now than a brawler. pac is a offensive fighter.. he set his offense as well his defense with it. pac is getting his defense on offense. on a minimal distance thats why he is getting hit outside by an opponent who got longer reach. pac never plays inside. floyd is a full defensive fighter. floyd is a full dodger and not a tanker. floyd is distance fighter and a smart fighter a dangerous potshotter with a deadly lefthook and a slick one.

He ducked Zahir Raheem and Nate Campbell, he can't fight a slick fighter! I personally don't think it's the slick part that gives Pac trouble, it's the counter punching part. JMM did so well and fought Pac so close because he went to war with Pac counter punching, not because he ran and counter punched. Pac has obviously improved, to the point where I am very interested to see him against a counter puncher. Pac has improved his own counter punching to the point I really wonder if a slick fighter that isn't on Mayweather's level would even bother him. I just don't think an ultra defensive fighter would be able to keep Pac off anymore. Sure, they will land one good counter punch, but they will have 5 or 6 come back at them. At these point in both Mayweather and Pacquiao's careers i want to see how they deal with each others strengths and weaknesses, Pac is the top volume puncher at the moment and Mayweather is the top counterpuncher in the game.

I wouldn't pick any old slick boxer to beat Pacquiao, but I believe Mayweather's elusiveness and liquid transitioning between defense and attack would be the undoing of Pac. As much as Manny has improved his skills over the past few years he's still there to be hit, and I also think he's prone to falling short when he flurries against more mobile boxers - something a sharp counter-puncher could use to wreak havoc.

He ducked Zahir Raheem and Nate Campbell, he can't fight a slick fighter! I personally don't think it's the slick part that gives Pac trouble, it's the counter punching part. JMM did so well and fought Pac so close because he went to war with Pac counter punching, not because he ran and counter punched. Pac has obviously improved, to the point where I am very interested to see him against a counter puncher. Pac has improved his own counter punching to the point I really wonder if a slick fighter that isn't on Mayweather's level would even bother him. I just don't think an ultra defensive fighter would be able to keep Pac off anymore. Sure, they will land one good counter punch, but they will have 5 or 6 come back at them.

There's a good reason why many people think a slick counterpuncher would be the best "style" of fighter to beat pac. Can you imagine anybody beating him while going toe to toe and coming forward instead? The fact that he got outboxed by JMM in their previous fights was true. BUT, I think one thing people like to often overlook is that Pac isn't the same fighter he was when he fought JMM years ago. Just look at how much he's improved as a fighter. In the first fight against JMM all he knew was the straight left. He's become a much more complete fighter since then.

Because Manny thrives on battle, the way to defeat an opponent that thrives on combat (other than being straight up better at it) is to not oblige them in combat only engaging when it is to your advantage. Just looking at how certain fights went down when guys were not engaging Manny he appeared to get frusterated, but against the guys he was facing it didn't really matter because Manny was above them with the exception of JMM and JMM is a good boxer but he is not exactly slick he is an offensive boxer who wants to get off while limiting the other guy but he will eat some leather to get his aslong as he is not going to eat more than the other guy. A truly slick fighter that thrives on frusterating the other guy is the worst matchup for Manny, they would need to be excellent at that to win but anyone who fights that way to me is someone who will give Manny issues. Your post pretty much sums it up for me, Ray leonard V Duran comes to mind.. When Ray fought Duran the first time he got suck into the mind games and went to battle with Duran and he lost! When he made uran say NO mas it was basically out of frustration.

I used to think these same things at the start of the Pacquiao hype, post-the-Delahoya-beatdown. I still believed this after he Ko'd Hatton. The Cotto fight did a little to change that as that video in the other thread shows, landing solid lefts and moving to Cotto's side, out of danger. But then he goes in against Clottey and shows the complete opposite of what's he's done in the Delahoya, Hatton, Cotto fights, and that's the ability to stay busy non-stop if you give him a defensive target. Simply put, Mayweather better be on his best, better not be relaxed like he was against JMM, styles make fights and JMM's counterpunching ways weren't the answer. Because Pac will put the same type of pressure that Hatton put on Floyd, minus the vulnerabilty to get as easly countered as Hatton was, because unlike Hatton, who had great footspeed BUT terrible hand-coordination.....Pacquiao won't be LUNGING in like Hatton. But he sure will put a job on Floyd if Money relaxes up against the ropes too many times during the 3 minture span, and will steal many, many rounds. The way Floyd handles Mosley will tell us a bit about he would do against Pac, because this is his first fast-handed fighter in a while. Judah was years ago, and Judah's stamina sucked down the stretch, something that MOsley & Pacquiao don't have a problem with. good post. the thing about the Clottey fight i noticed was that when Clottey decided to throw, he was connecting. i realize Manny wanted him to open up a bit more, but theres really no excuse for getting tagged with right hands. i imagine Mayweathers movement and shoulder roll can be just as effective as Clottey's guard, but with better timed shots and quicker counters. Clottey had no countering ability. still, Manny was busy enough to overwhelm him, and its possible he can do the same to Floyd. cant wait to see Floyd in action May 1. he will answers a lot of our questions.

Cause he avoids slick black American fighters like the plague, check his record he's never faced a slick AMERICAN BLACK BOXER ever, ever ever ever eve EVER, not even once. And Floyd's never got in the ring with a filipino southpaw ever ever ever ever ever ever.... :sigh1:

like duran vs leonard but leonard is more active than floyd. That is kind of it but the fight would be different then Leonard-Duran II.

Because Manny thrives on battle, the way to defeat an opponent that thrives on combat (other than being straight up better at it) is to not oblige them in combat only engaging when it is to your advantage. Just looking at how certain fights went down when guys were not engaging Manny he appeared to get frusterated, but against the guys he was facing it didn't really matter because Manny was above them with the exception of JMM and JMM is a good boxer but he is not exactly slick he is an offensive boxer who wants to get off while limiting the other guy but he will eat some leather to get his aslong as he is not going to eat more than the other guy. A truly slick fighter that thrives on frusterating the other guy is the worst matchup for Manny, they would need to be excellent at that to win but anyone who fights that way to me is someone who will give Manny issues. like duran vs leonard but leonard is more active than floyd.

Why are a lot of people think that Pac himself is avoiding guys like Raheem & Guzman? Aren't his team the ones the choose that's for him? I guess trainer ducking another fighter is the same as fighter ducking another fighter.

I would also add that slick fighters cause problems for most fighters since their style hinges on making it hard for the other guy. The bull does not beat the matador to often.

Well if the lower divisions where Pac spent most of his career are dominated by mexicans and asians, why would he fight slick black american boxers? jeez, its like asking the klitskos to fight a good heavyweight- there are none at the moment. That is pretty true, boxing is very much a sport of what have you done for me lately though.

Cause he avoids slick black American fighters like the plague, check his record he's never faced a slick AMERICAN BLACK BOXER ever, ever ever ever eve EVER, not even once. Well if the lower divisions where Pac spent most of his career are dominated by mexicans and asians, why would he fight slick black american boxers? jeez, its like asking the klitskos to fight a good heavyweight- there are none at the moment.

Because a skilled slick boxer named Juan Manuel Marquez looked very good against pac in 2 close fights. LOL no, JMM gets hit too much to be called slick, he's just a very very good counterpuncher, not slick.

Honestly, I'm gonna keep it 100 and tell you that I think that's bullsh1t that Floyd gets all the blame. I have always said that I blame a lot of people for this fight and anyone blaming one person or one side is just being biased. I mean I'm glad you get it though, cuz most floyd fans argue with me up and down that the media won't. People need to realize that we live in a "Spin" society were everyone twist things to fit an agenda. Media hates Floyd....so he will recieve all the blame. That is true but Floyd is still the one that is always spitting his message, the media does not hate Floyd there are peopel that talk shit about Floyd but he gets on all sorts of media outlets and is able to get his message out there since his message is something most sports fans in the US understand I fail to see where you are comming from. You are over simplfying the situation, and to think the media will not be on Manny's if a fight with Margarito goes through, you act as if the media is not a fickle crature that turns on what they love in a heartbeat.

wont happen, watch and see. pac will not get anymore passes OK...don't say I didn't warn you. BTW once it happens, feel free to PM if you need someone to vent and complain to about it....lol

Cause he avoids slick black American fighters like the plague, check his record he's never faced a slick AMERICAN BLACK BOXER ever, ever ever ever eve EVER, not even once.