Sir_Jose

I had it 115-113 for Taylor. But all you need to know about who really won the fight was in the post fight interviews. Taylor: "I'll fight anyone anywhere anytime and if he wants to fight again lets do it. Winky: "I dont want no rematch"

Would it be a good time to put these two in the ring now? They were talking all this crap a while ago before each suffered losses. I think this would be an interesting matchup. Both have enormous talent, but the also lack mental strength. Huh. I never even thought about this, but yeah it makes perfect sense now. I'd tip Harris due to the fact Judah sucks ass when he's fighting someone who can actually fight him back.

Like when he fought Maussa? No, wait. That was Harris. My bad. :rolleyes: What about when Harris shit the bed against Carlos Baldimior?...Oh wait

At least Baldomir didn't lose a fight in seven years. against who? Please at least Maussa had been fighting on a world class level and people had actually heard of him.

Lewis KO Tyson......or when he won the rematch with Rahman. :boxing: Right on. I was such a big Lewis fan and you just knew his entire legacy would be undon eih he had lost to Tyson.

Manny has the longer track record so I go with him, but Roach is the furture

Geat video. I have said from day 1 that people wouldn't apricate him until he was gone. Now look at the joke this division is. Its gonna be a long long time before we see a Heavyweight come around with that kind of skill and staying power. as far as the people whjo talk about the 90's being a weak era look at this one. The 90's were probably the 2nd best era in the history of the division.

Hatton IS NOT a top 10 fighter. He beat up an old Tszyu thats doesn't mean much to me.

Doesn't matter what he took he was still gonna catch an asswhoopin.

When he's all done where do you think he'll rate all - time? Curious, he'll prob get judged unfairly because his style and people not fighting him for many years. But I think should get his respect when it's all said and done. Perfect example of a guy in the right place at the right time. He caught Tito and Mosley when they were well past there primes.

Easy fight for Margarito. Way to big for Ruiz...errrr Hatton

Tito has nothing to prove especially to Ken. Likes its been said they already fought and Tito ABUSED his ass with ease.

I have notice lately that Goldenboy promotions charges PPV fees for many of their fights which have little appeal and it is making ppl pay just to watch them. Barrera vs. Peden Barrera vs. Fana Ricky Qules vs. Julio Diaz Vargas vs. Mosley 2 These fights already happene dor are scheduled to and they all are PPV. Golden boy is adding to the garbage HBO use to put out on PPV, in my opinion. Yes DLH is clearly whats wrong with Boxing these days.

This may be old news and rather trivial but I want to see if anyone else agrees with me here because the issue has come up at my gym a lot and tend to argue about this with my fellow stablemates. Had Ricardo Mayorga fought Oscar Delahoya before fighting Felix Trinidad he might have been able to put on a better fight rather than the onesided beating OScar gave him. My question is, How does Mayorga stick his chin out at Tito and get hit... not once but twice and does not flinch , continues to take a beating for 8 rounds before getting TKO'd ? Then he fights Oscar who doesnt hit half as hard as Felix Trinidad who floors him with his first left hook that connects , and continues a one sided beating that looked more impressive than Tito's for 6 rounds. I dont give a flying fuck about Ricardo Mayorga. I just want to know if some of you agree with me when I say he wasn't the same fighter coming into this fight with Delahoya than he did with Trinidad. We all know that after a war with Trinidad you dont come out the same ( eg: Vargas , David Reid ). Again, I dont give a flying fuck ass about Mayorga but I was really hoping he would be the first guy to at least have Delahoya seriously hurt on the canvas but after wathching that fight and seeing how every Delahoya punch wobbled him leads me to believe that Mayorgas chin wasn't quite the same entering that fight. Hey , we all know that Oscar doesnt carry the power at 154 than he did at 147 but Mayorga is a thick guy who is well suited at Junior Middle. What ruined his chances against putting on a better show against DLH is the fact he is a highly unskilled journeyman. The sticking your chin out thing is pure BS. Mayroga and any fighter will tell when you can see the punch coming from miles away its gonna be much easier to take it. Thisis what happend with the Tito fight. He never saw DLH's punches.

He's not done for you retard, he lost one fight, I guess his career is over. actually he's gotten worked by Cory Spinks, tito and now DLH...so yeah he basically hasn't won an important fight in 4 years

im one of those guys that believes once you achieve a legacy/legend status, nothing can take it from you. RJJ, Holyfield, Hopkins are all legends and regardless if they lose 5 in a row, it wont matter. Agree 100%. How many legends have we seen stick around to long? Who cares that Ali lost to Berbick does anyone think that takes away from what he did or what kind of fighter he was in his prime? If anyone does they should just stop watching Boxing. Oh and Lennox was past it and he still BEAT Vitali. SCOREBOARD.

Honestly this guy was better then i thought, and i would defintly consider him in my top 10 boxers of all-time, and even top 5 Heavies, his resume is baskically flawless with only two blimish that came 7 years apart and that he later OBLIVIATED, he fought a draw(HE WON)with a guy who beat TYSON twice and even won a UD over him the second time, His last five fights read 4-1 with 3 kos each one against HASIM RAHMAN, MIKE TYSON, AND TECHNICALLY VITALI KLITSCHKO HIS SECOND LOST WAS TO rahman FORMENTIONED IN THE KOed LIST, AND HE SOUNDLY BEAT DAVID TUA FOR THE 1st OF THE FIVE! FINSIHED WITH A 41(32)-2-1 RECORD and BAISCALLY OUTBOXED EACH OF HIS OPPONENTS! YEAH ITS TRUE HIS A TOP 10! NOTABLE WINS: TONY TUCKER FRANK BRUNO TOMMY MORRISON RAY MERCER ANDREW GOLOTA SHANNON BRIGGS FRANCOIS BOTHA Not a top 10 Boxer, but no doubt a top 10/5 Heavyweight. I have said time and time again that people wont apricate him until he's been gone awhile. Look at the garbage your putting up with today at Heavyweight. Those who say he wfought in a weak era are just showing how little they know about the sport. The 90's was the second deepest Heavyweight era in history.

Yeah I'm sure James Toney was eating at burger king when he has the biggest fight of his damn life coming up in a week and a half. :rolleyes: Ya know I just don't see it... wouldn't be the first time *cough*Roy Jones*cough*

anyone who questions a guy like Erik Morales' career losses all credability. im sorry did someone in this thread actually have the balls to say he ducked Daniel Seda? are you fucking kidding me?

Dude.. Leonard wouldn't run, he'd hit and move, he was the best fighter we'd had since Ali. Yeah uh no. Marvin Hagler: Stop running like a bitch Sugar Ray: Noooo That title would go to Pernell Whitaker

http://www.ufcfightnews.com/04-swornenemies/images/8-mayweather-judah5213.jpg haha...Nice

From a post (Fight Night 2005) in Cottos webpage FELIX TRINIDAD VS MIGUEL COTTO Note: The comparison based on 29 fights is not to degrade Felix Trinidad in anyway; the study is to show the progress of Miguel Cotto and the similarities between the two. FELIX TRINIDAD Height: 5'11 Reach: 72.5" Began career: 17 at the end of 29 fights was 23 Record: 29 WINS and 0 losses 25 by KO in a six year time span. Opponents overall record: 543-113 Opponents with losing records: 5 Opponents with undefeated records: 3 Opponents who held world titles: 4 Notable opponents: Freddie Pendleton, Larry Barnes, Oba Carr, Luis Campos, Maurice Blocker, Hector Camacho. Titles: IBF Felix Trinidad defended the IBF title nine times during a six year time span. MIGUEL COTTO Height: 5’7 Reach: 67" Began career: 20 at the end of 29 fights; he is now 26. Record: 29 WINS and 0 losses 24 by KO in a six year time span. Opponents overall record: 649-135 Opponents with losing records: 2 Opponents with undefeated records: 5 Opponents who held world titles: 6 Notable opponents: Paulie Malignaggi, Ricardo Torres, Demarcus Corley, Randal Bailey, Lovemore Ndou, Kelson Pinto, Carlos Maussa, Victoriano Sosa. Carlos Quintana. Titles: 140 WBO light welter weight 147 WBA Welter weight Miguel Cotto defended WBO at Jr. Welterweight six times and the WBA at welterweight one time during a six year time span. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Needless to say, I found this very interesting. Cottos taken a lot of heat based on his opponents (not without merit), but he is stepping up starting with Judah and this may put things in perspective.The only significant difference I see is the 3 year difference in age between the two after 29 fights. Uh thats a pretty big fucking differance. Tito turned pro when he was 17 for Christ sakes while Cotto had that great mature carrer and went to the Olympics. I thinks its funny how you include some of those guys in Cotto's notible win catagory. Man Oba Car and Yori Boy Campas were 10x better in the early 90's than anyone Cotto has faced and its not even up for debate.

Jim Gray is a fucking assclown who knows nothing about sports thats any sport not just Boxing. AS already mentioned that Pete Rose thing. When Toney knocked the mic out of his hand I laughed my ass off. I used to hate Roy Jones early on but he really develop into a great comentator in my opnion 10x better than Lennox Lewis is or ever will be and I was ahuge Lennox fan and a Roy hater during there careers. Talk shit about Larry Merchant all you want but your gonna miss him when he's gone. The best that ever did it. He tells it like it is and the guys has been covering this sport since before my parents were alive. He knows his shit.

Pac is the only other guy you can put in the conversation. I will give you that.

Yep. The knock on Marquez was that he was just sitting in his weight class, beating a bunch of solid mandatories, avoiding the top level fighters in higher weight classes. Funny how when he goes up and beats the top dog in the next division, there is little praise (like you said) because people were hung up on the way the fight was ended. Eh, a stoppage is a stoppage. Vazquez doesn't stop there and he gets decapitated somewhere in the next few rounds. He had nothing for that right hand. Marquez hasn't lost in 6 years or so. He has beaten and STOPPED just about every dangerous opponent around the bantamweight limit. It's crazy that this kid can't get more love. You said it. Even though thats not really a knock, I mean someone who doesn't know what the fuck tehre talking about would consider it a knock, but he's been fighting very tough guys and blowing them out. He can box and he's the biggest p4p puncher in the sport What can his haters say now?

Stick to the lounge and NBA thread, you're out of your element. in 28 fights you can't name a fighter who's faced the kind of opposition he has...outside of a washed up Vargas and other flash in the pan stars. *Cracks knuckles* Ok Miguel Cotto was suppossed to be the next big thing and he came out of the 2000 Olympic class and signed with Top Rank and Bob Arum, now the thing is Arum had also singed the 2 best fighters from the 1996 and 1992 Olympic classes DLH and Floyd Mayweather. Floyd 28 fights in had already 2 LEGIT WORLD TITLES not belts but he was reconized as hands down the man in his divisions 28 fights in Floyd had already fought Genaro Hernandez Angel Manfredy Goyo Vargas Emanuel Augustus Diego Corrales Carlos Hernandez Jesus Chavez Jose Luis Castillo Castillo, Corrales, Hernandez and Chavez would all go on to win belts after there fights with Floyd, but yeah Miguel has fought the much better competion 28 fights in. DLH 28 fights in had already fought and beaten John John Molina Rafeal Ruelas Genaro Hernandez Jesse James Leija Miguel Angel Gonzlez Pernell Whitaker and DLH by this time was already considered a 3 TIME LEGIT WORLD CHAMPION but uh yeah Miguel has beaten up Paul Malignaggi so I mean you know it kind of evens out, I can see how you see it as the same if not better for Miguel.

Opposition over the past 2 years: Floyd: Henry Bruseles Arturo Gatti Sharmba Mitchell Zab Judah Carlos Baldomir Cotto: Victoriano Sosa Lovemore Ndou Kelson Pinto Randall Bailey Chop Chop Corley Muhammed Abdulaev Ricardo Torres Gianluca Branco Paul Malignaggi Carlos Quintana Lmfao....and if you include him fighting Maussa and knocking him out at the end of 2003....you'd have More than twice the number of fights against even more solid opposition. Fucking no contest. hate to break it you, but um...those guys are'nt really that good. Gianluca Branco? are you kidding me? Kelson Pinto? Lovemore Ndou? I mean who has any of these guys actually beaten in there career to be considered "Good"there is a big difference bettween good and a durable guy. same with Magliwhateverfuck, who has he actually beaten? didn't ChopChop rock the shit out of him? getting rocked by a non power punching cross dresser is not a good thing. and didn't he struggle badly with Torres? Zab and Baldomir are 10x the fighters than any guy on that list you mentioned.

If im not kistaken King and the Spinks camp really got into it thats why King is pretty much gonna kill his career.

No Sandy Saddler? Naz was freakish in his day his KO of Tom Johnson was something else and I remeber him sending Wilfredo Vasquez air born

Man I just saw this fight all over and I couldn't believe how sluggish, out of shape and unprepared Trinidad looked. I heard Don King and Trinidad tried to get a rematch after Tito's fight with Cherifi, but instead of taking the much bigger money, Hopkins fought guys like Carl Daniels, Morrade Hakkar and William Joppy. I heard Hopkins had "legal problems" with DK and therefore never made the fight because of that reason. Turned down a huge pay day for "legal problems"? Does anyone know what really happened? I mean, a guy as smart as Hopkins is doesn't seem to pass up on that opportunity for stupid reasons. Yeah...no He was'nt sluggish he just wasn't as good as Hopkins and Tito never wanted anything to do with Hopkins after that fight.