Winky's legacy?

There , see that's not so hard the only thing we really disagree on is that he ducked Margorito. And you understand why he's taking that Oscar fight,I know he could've took it just like Mosley could come down and fight him. But Mosley prob thinks the same that's why he's doing Vargas/Mosley 2 after the 1 fight ppv numbers did well. So I just think they're a product of today's times and money hungry, I can't hate them I would to. Nice debating with you tho,I see you and rockin get'n it on in that other thread!LOL

O I respect that opinion on the Winky fight so I probably shoulden't say robbery but I do as do others think Winky won that fight.But do you agree that PBF could get more money and fame and attention ETC. by fighting Zab? We know it's a business and that PBF cares about money and people not saying who was he .I do realize if any welter beats Margorito it's a good win but you know how some ppl(not you) would say he ducked Judah cuz he's as fast as Mayweather blah blah. And then they would say who did Margorito beat and try to discredit the win if he did win. You don't think that Oscar is a good test at 154? Besides the fact that he'd make twice as much, I'll admit PBF loves money but that doesn't mean he's ducking Margorito. What fighter would take half the money with less praise if he were to win? You know that Margorito's good but not a household name with the public. i understand mayweather taking the delahoya fight, shit i'd do the same, but im just saying....basicly floyd if he wanted to could have already fought margarito but margarito is to dangerous, and yes, to be honest delahoya is still a dangerous fighter for anybody including mayweather

I agree somewhat but he's different from somebody like Calzaghe who didn't wanna leave home,he was ducked for years because of his akward style. I just don't think he should be punished for that Sir Jose ,but agree to an extent.

When he's all done where do you think he'll rate all - time? Curious, he'll prob get judged unfairly because his style and people not fighting him for many years. But I think should get his respect when it's all said and done. Perfect example of a guy in the right place at the right time. He caught Tito and Mosley when they were well past there primes.

O I respect that opinion on the Winky fight so I probably shoulden't say robbery but I do as do others think Winky won that fight.But do you agree that PBF could get more money and fame and attention ETC. by fighting Zab? We know it's a business and that PBF cares about money and people not saying who was he .I do realize if any welter beats Margorito it's a good win but you know how some ppl(not you) would say he ducked Judah cuz he's as fast as Mayweather blah blah. And then they would say who did Margorito beat and try to discredit the win if he did win. You don't think that Oscar is a good test at 154? Besides the fact that he'd make twice as much, I'll admit PBF loves money but that doesn't mean he's ducking Margorito. What fighter would take half the money with less praise if he were to win? You know that Margorito's good but not a household name with the public. You aren't going to win. Just stop now and save yourself the time.

O I respect that opinion on the Winky fight so I probably shoulden't say robbery but I do as do others think Winky won that fight.But do you agree that PBF could get more money and fame and attention ETC. by fighting Zab? We know it's a business and that PBF cares about money and people not saying who was he .I do realize if any welter beats Margorito it's a good win but you know how some ppl(not you) would say he ducked Judah cuz he's as fast as Mayweather blah blah. And then they would say who did Margorito beat and try to discredit the win if he did win. You don't think that Oscar is a good test at 154? Besides the fact that he'd make twice as much, I'll admit PBF loves money but that doesn't mean he's ducking Margorito. What fighter would take half the money with less praise if he were to win? You know that Margorito's good but not a household name with the public.

I never stated that he was ahead of any all time great just that he would have a legacy.That's why the thread is Winky's legacy so we agree he has 1, I'm honest about it the only thing I ever looked back at was my collection of fights because you were acting like I hadn't seen many of his fights. And it should be that Vargas win but they robbed him so probaly the Bronco fights or the Hernandez bout. And I agree if PBF was to fight a bumm for less then 8 million you could say he ducked him, but until then you can't say he did. His last fight wasn't a bumm I think it challenged PBF more then Baldomir correct? I only stated that I don't think elite fighters aren't scared of him, that's not rediculous when possible opponents are making more money in their next fight's.(except Hatton)And that's because he just moved up. as i said, every fighter leaves a legacy, and i do belive mayweather ducked margarito so now he can go at delahoya and instead of judah who lost his last he could have taken on margarto but didn't, only reason they went ahead with the ppv is because they saw the number morales v. pacquiao did after moarles had a lose going into the pacquiao fight and we have a difference of opinon, i think vargas edged out the win against the vertern in winky, vargas being the youngest champion to EVER win a world title at jr. middleweight. then he went on to beat quarty which holds more water then the winky win

I never stated that he was ahead of any all time great just that he would have a legacy.That's why the thread is Winky's legacy so we agree he has 1, I'm honest about it the only thing I ever looked back at was my collection of fights because you were acting like I hadn't seen many of his fights. And it should be that Vargas win but they robbed him so probaly the Bronco fights or the Hernandez bout. And I agree if PBF was to fight a bumm for less then 8 million you could say he ducked him, but until then you can't say he did. His last fight wasn't a bumm I think it challenged PBF more then Baldomir correct? I only stated that I don't think elite fighters aren't scared of him, that's not rediculous when possible opponents are making more money in their next fight's.(except Hatton)And that's because he just moved up.

Ok, Soliman landed more punches, puffed Winky's face up like a cream puff, took the fight to him yet Winky lands because he landed sharper blows yet he's a feather duster and couldn't even stop Soliman in his tracks. Yeah, right. Dude what fight were you watching? Winky didin't swell up that bad...and he only had a couple marks above his eyes. Oh and he beat the daylights out of Soliman. Every punch landed on his gaurd...and he returned fire with hard body punches that had Soliman making facial expressions. He fought an excellent, and smart fight. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

I have the frazier fight and stated that to you it was on ESPN 2 if I'm not mistaken if you would debate with me and stop thinking I'm scamming you. I also have that Vargas fight that's how IMO Winky won even tho Vargas ended strong. And I didn't say you had to put him higher then an all time great or any outrageous claim,just that he should have a legacy when he is done especially if he beats Taylor. Come on Ferocity I got love for my brown brothers LOL, you think ppl on this thread are overrating him by saying he'll have a legacy? I actually like alot of the ppl I see that you support (vargas,Margorito,)I just said I disagree that the elite fighters are scared of him at 147(pbf,hatton,mosley if he comes back down, judah etc.) Is that crazy for thinking that? look, i think every fighter leaves a legacy, every fighter leaves their impresion in the minds of boxing fans, i think highly of antonio diaz, but im sure you probaby don't but i won't say he is an all-time great but did he leave a legacy yes, will winky yes. and in my opinion if a fighter that is dangerous and is asking you for a fight and you have nothing schedulaed then to me then you are ducking a fighter and yes, the frazier fight was on espn2 but it took you a long while to answer, maybe you checked the website to find the answer i don't know but let me ask you, besides mosley and trindad who is winkys biggest win?

I have the frazier fight and stated that to you it was on ESPN 2 if I'm not mistaken if you would debate with me and stop thinking I'm scamming you. I also have that Vargas fight that's how IMO Winky won even tho Vargas ended strong. And I didn't say you had to put him higher then an all time great or any outrageous claim,just that he should have a legacy when he is done especially if he beats Taylor. Come on Ferocity I got love for my brown brothers LOL, you think ppl on this thread are overrating him by saying he'll have a legacy? I actually like alot of the ppl I see that you support (vargas,Margorito,)I just said I disagree that the elite fighters are scared of him at 147(pbf,hatton,mosley if he comes back down, judah etc.) Is that crazy for thinking that?

I said that all his fights weren't probably on showtime I also stated that I didn't see every single fight but I've seen the majority of his fight's and that's the truth. I never tried to act like I never missed a fight ii's hard not to have missed one. Most of his earlier fight's weren't in this country and he's not the most celebrated fighter. I know I've seen just as many as you or more and don't lie and say you have because you even admitted that you thought they were boring and cut it off etc. of course i've seen winky fight from years back too, to many he was an unknown against vargas i already knew what he brought to the table. and because i know winkys career i can state my opinion and call it when someone is over-rating him, as you are as i said the winky-frazier fight was on tv and you can't even tell me who broadcasted his fight...see as i said....and as i've known and suspectd, winky gained many of his fans with his win over trinidad and of course when he beat mosley too

I said that all his fights weren't probably on showtime I also stated that I didn't see every single fight but I've seen the majority of his fight's and that's the truth. I never tried to act like I never missed a fight ii's hard not to have missed one. Most of his earlier fight's weren't in this country and he's not the most celebrated fighter. I know I've seen just as many as you or more and don't lie and say you have because you even admitted that you thought they were boring and cut it off etc.

My bad ferocity yea we'll stay on this thread. But you had said that Leonard was dominated by camacho. I was saying that's not the same comparison as to when Tito got dominated. i only compare it because they were not in their prime

My bad ferocity yea we'll stay on this thread. But you had said that Leonard was dominated by camacho. I was saying that's not the same comparison as to when Tito got dominated.

I know there are a couple more fights I have you want me to talk about him leaving his promoter or something. lol Like Winky's a bandwagon person to jump on cut it out! The fight's I have of Winky there on SHOWTIME but maybe his fights before he could get fights in the US might not have been . EXPOSED! not all of his fights were on SHOWTIME.

Exposed what are you talking about I been liking Winky for years I also got that Soliman fight . I stated to you in a earlier post about the Vazquez fight and that Winky got knocked down numerous times etc. and showed great heart but lost. I said the candelo because it was a fight in my collection, I told you I have the Frazier fight where he got the vacant belt. That's not getting exposed I noticed your biased towards Latino fighters. The difference is that I don't ignore hispnic fighters achievments and legacy. That's what your doing to Winky but yey making excuses for Margorito having no big wins yet and Tito getting exposed. Don't be biased like that I'm not towards latin fighters. LISTEN and ANSWER should be easy, who broadcasted the FRAZIER FIGHT? And, before MOSLEY, who was winkys biggest win?

I know there are a couple more fights I have you want me to talk about him leaving his promoter or something. lol Like Winky's a bandwagon person to jump on cut it out! The fight's I have of Winky there on SHOWTIME but maybe his fights before he could get fights in the US might not have been .

Exposed what are you talking about I been liking Winky for years I also got that Soliman fight . I stated to you in a earlier post about the Vazquez fight and that Winky got knocked down numerous times etc. and showed great heart but lost. I said the candelo because it was a fight in my collection, I told you I have the Frazier fight where he got the vacant belt. That's not getting exposed I noticed your biased towards Latino fighters. The difference is that I don't ignore hispnic fighters achievments and legacy. That's what your doing to Winky but yey making excuses for Margorito having no big wins yet and Tito getting exposed. Don't be biased like that I'm not towards latin fighters.

You prove to me you saw some of his fight's , what did I say about Winky that is incorrect? He and Margorito arent in the same breath and you know that but I'll leave it at that. The thread speaks for itself about Winky and his resumee as well, you putting Magorito in the same breath as him is crazy. And again I like Margorito and think he could have a good future, but I don't hink everybody is scared of him. That's my opinion I respect yours but Margorito has to do more before you can put him in the same as elite fighters past or present. LOL, but to be honest a fight between margarito v. winky would be interesting you know why? because winky will come forward, margarito would allow this lean up against him and pound away or margarito could lean back and wait till winky opens up and as relaxed as margarito can be just wait and through immedite bombs to a high guard winky, who would be very,very tentative against margarito for fear of exposing his chin