Honestly this guy was better then i thought, and i would defintly consider him in my top 10 boxers of all-time, and even top 5 Heavies, his resume is baskically flawless with only two blimish that came 7 years apart and that he later OBLIVIATED, he fought a draw(HE WON)with a guy who beat TYSON twice and even won a UD over him the second time, His last five fights read 4-1 with 3 kos each one against HASIM RAHMAN, MIKE TYSON, AND TECHNICALLY VITALI KLITSCHKO HIS SECOND LOST WAS TO rahman FORMENTIONED IN THE KOed LIST, AND HE SOUNDLY BEAT DAVID TUA FOR THE 1st OF THE FIVE! FINSIHED WITH A 41(32)-2-1 RECORD and BAISCALLY OUTBOXED EACH OF HIS OPPONENTS! YEAH ITS TRUE HIS A TOP 10!
NOTABLE WINS:
TONY TUCKER
FRANK BRUNO
TOMMY MORRISON
RAY MERCER
ANDREW GOLOTA
SHANNON BRIGGS
FRANCOIS BOTHA
Lennox Lewis isn't a top 10 IMO. I don't think a top 10 would lose to Rahman and McCall by KO. He was the product of agine competition and thin refutation. If he had gotten a fight with Tyson, Holyfield, or Bowe a little earlier, he would be on this list. I have stated time and time again, Lewis would be a top 5 all time if he had been in Tokyo stopping Tyson instead of Douglas. That would've been the perfect way for his career to go. In exact order:
1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Rocky Marciano
4. Jack Dempsey
5. Larry Holmes
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Gene Tunney
8. Jersey Joe Walcott
9. George Foreman
10. Joe Frazier
Huh. Well, Fitz was a toughm hard-punching S.O.B., I'll give him that. Jeffries is greatly underated, I agree and too many people base their opionions of him on the Johnson fight, which is the same as ranking Ali based on the Holmes fight or Louis on the Marcaiano bout.
Good list...Glad to see someone giving Jeffries credit. I've got him at 13 myself; but my list is always in flux. Having Fitz at 8 is interesting. Why do you rate him so highly?
Fitz had an oustanding career and also was one of the toughest fighters ever. i give mad respect to all the old-timers who fought grueling fights with like 25 and 30 rounds is another reason.
jeffries was awesome, only beaten by jack johnson when he was past his prime.
My all-time list:
1) Joe Louis
2) James Jeffries
3) Muhammed Ali
4) Rocky Marciano
5) Jack Johnson
6) Jack Dempsey
7) George Foreman
8) Bob Fitzsimmons
9) Joe Frazier
10)Larry Holmes
Good list...Glad to see someone giving Jeffries credit. I've got him at 13 myself; but my list is always in flux. Having Fitz at 8 is interesting. Why do you rate him so highly?
Heavyweight Champs from 1980 until now:
1. Larry Holmes
2. Mike Tyson
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Tim Witherspoon
6. Riddick Bowe
7. Mike Weaver
8. Michael Dokes
9. Pinklon Thomas
10. George Foreman
All Time:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsesy
6. Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Joe Frazier
10. George Foreman
My all-time list:
1) Joe Louis
2) James Jeffries
3) Muhammed Ali
4) Rocky Marciano
5) Jack Johnson
6) Jack Dempsey
7) George Foreman
8) Bob Fitzsimmons
9) Joe Frazier
10)Larry Holmes
Lewis is not a top10 heavy. I would place him in top 15
1) He didn't dominant during his prime. Barely squeezed by Holyfield, beat soundly by McCall (twice if McCall didn't break down), and clocked cold by Rahman, hurt badly and wobbled by Klitskho, and ran against Tua when he was the bigger man by 25-30 pounds and atleast 6 inches taller.
Didn't look good jabbing and holding Holyfield. People forget Holyfield won gold medal in 84' at CRUSIERWEIGHT and was the undisputed champ around 88-89'. He didn't become a HW till the 90's. He fought lennox 10 years after winning cruiser weight belts and had 15 year career so he was old but competitive. In 21st century he was washed and way over the hill. Think about this. BOWE looked better against a prime Holyfield than Lewis did about 6-7 years later.
HW's in their prime Marciano, Louis, Ali, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, Bowe, Tyson (before Don King was in the picture), Dempsey, and Holyfield (Pre-Bowe) and a few others would've clocked Lewis's chin clean. Lewis for a big man would get knocked out cold and wouldn't make it up for the counts
I don't even have Lewis in my top 10 HW of all time, putting him in top 10 P4P is criminal.
Agreed. You could make an arguement for him towards the bottom of the top 10 heavies. But p4p, the guy doesn't break the top 50.
Lennox is surely top 15 all-time. He beat everyone he fought, something rarely accomplished in boxing. A legit hall of famer who I think would have given alot of all-time greats a VERY tough fight. And yeah, people who watched him fight over the years will remember Lennox Lewis and people years from now will read about him.
i didnt say they wouldnt remember him, i was saying that list was a very poorly thought out list full of nobodies, bums, and jokes.
lewis is great, how great is not my call to make. but that list that was displayed to give lewis more credit was ridiculous.
tony tucker? frank bruno? morrison? mercer? golota? briggs? BOTHA?! do you really think these names will stand the test of time? do you really think that these bums are worth mentioning when listing noteworthy lewis opponents?
the only remotely legendary or great or whatever names on that resume are holyfield (old), tyson (very old), rahman (undeserved), and mccall (only cuz of the upset).
nobody else mattered, and nobody will remember or care who else lewis fought.
Lennox is surely top 15 all-time. He beat everyone he fought, something rarely accomplished in boxing. A legit hall of famer who I think would have given alot of all-time greats a VERY tough fight. And yeah, people who watched him fight over the years will remember Lennox Lewis and people years from now will read about him.
Heavyweight Champs from 1980 until now:
1. Larry Holmes
2. Mike Tyson
3. Lennox Lewis
4. Evander Holyfield
5. Tim Witherspoon
6. Riddick Bowe
7. Mike Weaver
8. Michael Dokes
9. Pinklon Thomas
10. George Foreman
All Time:
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. Larry Holmes
4. Jack Johnson
5. Jack Dempsesy
6. Mike Tyson
7. Lennox Lewis
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Joe Frazier
10. George Foreman
Out of the HW legends of our time (late 80's to now), I have it like this....
1. Mike Tyson
2. Evander Holyfield
3. Lennox Lewis
Tyson and Holyfield are both top 10, but Lennox is top 15 in my opinion.
Honestly this guy was better then i thought, and i would defintly consider him in my top 10 boxers of all-time, and even top 5 Heavies, his resume is baskically flawless with only two blimish that came 7 years apart and that he later OBLIVIATED, he fought a draw(HE WON)with a guy who beat TYSON twice and even won a UD over him the second time, His last five fights read 4-1 with 3 kos each one against HASIM RAHMAN, MIKE TYSON, AND TECHNICALLY VITALI KLITSCHKO HIS SECOND LOST WAS TO rahman FORMENTIONED IN THE KOed LIST, AND HE SOUNDLY BEAT DAVID TUA FOR THE 1st OF THE FIVE! FINSIHED WITH A 41(32)-2-1 RECORD and BAISCALLY OUTBOXED EACH OF HIS OPPONENTS! YEAH ITS TRUE HIS A TOP 10!
NOTABLE WINS:
TONY TUCKER
FRANK BRUNO
TOMMY MORRISON
RAY MERCER
ANDREW GOLOTA
SHANNON BRIGGS
FRANCOIS BOTHA
tony tucker? frank bruno? morrison? mercer? golota? briggs? BOTHA?! do you really think these names will stand the test of time? do you really think that these bums are worth mentioning when listing noteworthy lewis opponents?
the only remotely legendary or great or whatever names on that resume are holyfield (old), tyson (very old), rahman (undeserved), and mccall (only cuz of the upset).
nobody else mattered, and nobody will remember or care who else lewis fought.
i lost all respect for the man, personally. sure, i'm partial to the klitschko brothers, but i'm also a believer in pride and honor. firstly, no way should someone even whisper ko when talking about lennox versus vitaly. lennox was LOSING and looking pathetic when the fight got called against vitaly's wishes for a cut that needed what, 60 some stiches around his eye? also, he get's introduced as beating every man he's ever faced. so it's general knowledge that he was down on points vs. klitschko, everyone in the world wanted a rematch, he promised one to vitaly, and he ducks out and retires "on top with nothing left to prove." excuse me??? until he actually "beats" vitaly, not a win, but beats the man, whatever. he should've retired before vitaly. that was just sad going out like that. in my opinion.
this post is hilarious. a kilitchko sac rider is criticising lennox lewis for retireing with his titles. :eek: thats really ironic considering that vitali was GIVEN his title and was so afraid of losing it that rahman forced him into retirement.
and this shit about vitali wining on the cards against lennox. maybe he was but lennox tore his fucking face apart. if that fight wouldnt have been stopped vitalis naked gay modeling career and his boxing career would be over.
vitali=one of the five WORST paper champions (the word champion should never be used in reference to this turd) in any division in any time.
im one of those guys that believes once you achieve a legacy/legend status, nothing can take it from you. RJJ, Holyfield, Hopkins are all legends and regardless if they lose 5 in a row, it wont matter.
Agree 100%. How many legends have we seen stick around to long? Who cares that Ali lost to Berbick does anyone think that takes away from what he did or what kind of fighter he was in his prime? If anyone does they should just stop watching Boxing.
Oh and Lennox was past it and he still BEAT Vitali. SCOREBOARD.
Agree with u their Totally LEWIS is a smart man he knew after the Klitchko fight that his time had come, i just wish HOLYFIELD would do the same :D cause Holyfeild is killing his Lagacy doing this shit u think a old friend or trainer would have the BALLs to tell him he should stop fighting :boxing:
im one of those guys that believes once you achieve a legacy/legend status, nothing can take it from you. RJJ, Holyfield, Hopkins are all legends and regardless if they lose 5 in a row, it wont matter.
Honestly this guy was better then i thought, and i would defintly consider him in my top 10 boxers of all-time, and even top 5 Heavies, his resume is baskically flawless with only two blimish that came 7 years apart and that he later OBLIVIATED, he fought a draw(HE WON)with a guy who beat TYSON twice and even won a UD over him the second time, His last five fights read 4-1 with 3 kos each one against HASIM RAHMAN, MIKE TYSON, AND TECHNICALLY VITALI KLITSCHKO HIS SECOND LOST WAS TO rahman FORMENTIONED IN THE KOed LIST, AND HE SOUNDLY BEAT DAVID TUA FOR THE 1st OF THE FIVE! FINSIHED WITH A 41(32)-2-1 RECORD and BAISCALLY OUTBOXED EACH OF HIS OPPONENTS! YEAH ITS TRUE HIS A TOP 10!
NOTABLE WINS:
TONY TUCKER
FRANK BRUNO
TOMMY MORRISON
RAY MERCER
ANDREW GOLOTA
SHANNON BRIGGS
FRANCOIS BOTHA
Not a top 10 Boxer, but no doubt a top 10/5 Heavyweight. I have said time and time again that people wont apricate him until he's been gone awhile. Look at the garbage your putting up with today at Heavyweight.
Those who say he wfought in a weak era are just showing how little they know about the sport. The 90's was the second deepest Heavyweight era in history.