How Come Miguel Cotto Is Never On A "P4P" List?

I don't have Cotto in quite yet but a win over margarito would put him at 5-7 in my p4p list of little practical use to anyone.

cuz he aint fought a P4Per yet. Come with some correct shit, don't start no bullshit ass threads like this. He's still green. Where duz it say u gotta beat a pond for pounder to get in?

What is the most significant win of Julio's career? He's just one of a number of Latino fighters who build up their records KOing bums in their home country and then don't do shit when they face real competition in the US. Quintana must be an elite fighter since Julio was lucky to get a single round off the great Carlos Quintana... Julio is a prospect...genius. He's not been given all the chances at big fights because well....he's a prospect. He's was impressive in destroying Carlos Vilches and Hicklet Lau and as a two time National Champ...Julio deserved mention among the top prospects in the sport. ESPN Boxing named him prospect of the year...and like it's been stated he was highly touted. Quintana wrecking that train only reinforces how solid a fighter he is...and you can twist and turn the truth all you want. Floyd beating his has nothing to do with my opinion. I don't think he's a great fighter at all, but I don't choose to dismiss his big win over Judah. Like I said, Judah is better than Julio and Quintana combined. He would school them on his worst night, especially Julio. Julio and Quintana have accomplished absolutely nothing through 30ish fights in their careers. What is Julio's biggest win? The robbery over Cosme Rivera? What's Quintana's biggest win? I can name a few fighters who have perfect records fighting bums in the midwest. Would you give Cotto props for beating them too? So let me get this straight......Judah would school Quintana and Julio on his worst night but he can't beat Carlos "Tata" Baldomir in arguably his worst outing as a professional? LMFAO the same Carlos Baldomir that has 12 losses on his record is the exception right? because a once was supposed future star and the guy who de railed him don't deserve mention among a complete journeyman from Argentina? Hang Yourself. Didn't you just say earlier that it's not who you beat but how you beat them? Why are you changing your tune now? Paul Williams wins impressively. If it's about who you beat, Cotto's competition does not put him anywhere near the P4P list. Impressively is a matter of opinion. Williams has no defense and his defense is his offense throwing straight punches over and over. But nonetheless I don't know how you're comparing Williams 2 recent wins to Cotto's resume over the past 2 years. He's fought five times as many fighters and ones of better caliber....you're just reaching for shit. I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not high on Matthyse, but you would give Cotto mad props if he had Matthyse on his ledger since he's the Argentinean version of Julio... I was talking about Baldomir. But if you're going to give Williams the due credit for his ONE victory over Mathysse you'd have to do so for the numerous victories Cotto has over homers. A win is a win. Baldomir's last loss before Mayweather was like 10 years ago. If we're going to shit on fighters who lost to bums early in their careers, then Cotto beating Margarito will mean absolutely nothing since Margarito lost to bums 10 years ago too... Oh that's totally absurd. Baldomir has lost 12 times.....Tony 4. Sure it's a legitimate case where a guy is learning through time but jesus christ......having 12 losses automatically puts you in journeyman status like a Ward and Gatti. And don't bring this Augustus shit up....because he's been robbed numerous times. If amateurs meant something, then Abdullaev and Pinto would have beaten Cotto again... The Amateurs mean more to boxing than they do to you, obviously. Floyd's opposition is no worse than Cotto's, so I don't see your point. Beating Judah or Baldomir would be the most significant win in Cotto's career to date and that's a fact... No worse? how about half. He's fought five times in the past two years....whereas Cotto has fought 11 and his next two are slated. Sure Floyd is going to lose to Oscar and it's great he's taking that fight but you can't compare what he's done to what Cotto has done in the past two years. You can't compare something that doesn't exist to something that does. I still don't see how beating up on a Corley who had just lost back-to-back fights to Mayweather and Judah means anything. Cotto was just feasting on leftovers... Just to refresh your memory...he stopped them. Floyd and Judah took him the distance and looked unimpressive in doing it. I didn't say that was your argument. I'm saying if the lists were switched, you would argue that Cotto should be #1. Cotto's best win is Corley, a fighter Judah toyed with. Think about it... Toyed with sure, Unimpressive against yes. Like it's been stated Cotto dropped Corley 5 times and made him look for a way to quit. That's more impressive than going the distance with him while talking to your corner every other five seconds. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

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So you think Cosme Rivera is a great fighter too, since he was robbed of a win over Julio right after the Quintana fight? So yeah, that's the case where a guy is coming off a hard loss. You're actually comparing the post Quintana Julio to the Julio riding the emotional undefeated high going into their fight? get real jr. You talk so much shit about Baldomir, while ignoring the fact that Quintana has never beaten a fighter as good as Baldomir. You can call it a fluke or whatever, but a win is a win and Baldomir beat Judah. Judah is better than Quintana and Julio combined. Julio is a better fighter than Baldomir. Carlos is a nobody, who like I have to repeat won a decision over an unfocused Judah. I'm supposed to forget about all the losses to cab drivers in Argentina? The only reason you think he's a good fighter is because Floyd beat him. That means he's the best. Let's make Paul Williams P4P then since he beat Walter Matthyse who was knocking out bums in Argentina even more impressively than Torres. Matthyse had never been past 4 rounds until he fought Williams. LOL Williams has 1 victory over Matthysse and 1 victory over Mitchell. I'd like to see you delve and find better victories or even ones that compare to Cotto. Now you're just reaching because only a braindead moron could compare Williams pro record to Miguel Cotto's. How about we throw Valero in the #1 spot since he has only been past the first round twice in his career? I should ask you a similar question....because you're the one who is so high on a guy who made his career fighting bums in Argentina. KOs don't mean shit. It's all about who you beat and Torres is lucky Arnaoutis has no killer instinct or he wouldn't have a single notable win... Don't mean shit? I think they mean more than winning on technical decisions against guys who are 3-78-5 on average...and never fought out of their home country....in fact. What about the losses Baldomir has? The amateurs and pros are so different, that avenging those losses is meaningless. The fact is Pinto is a fighter who will never even win a paper title in his career. He's a joke... If the case of Amateur victories was meaningless....then nobody would ever have the right to point to accomplishments by people in the Olympics right? Hell let's just get rid of the entire system. Nobody will talk about how Lennox Lewis knocked Bowe out in the Amatuers....or how Pryor stopped Hearns. Hush. Gatti would beat any jr. welterweight on your list. I won't even comment on that stupidity. So in order to be P4P you have to fight prospects? Floyd should forget about DLH and go fight one of the Peterson brothers... No...you have to fight actively against solid opposition. And why is Floyd going to fight the petersons when he's going to make big time money fighting Oscar? Now you're just typing shit to look cool. How is a Mitchell win any less impressive than a win over Corley? Once again....Mitchell was out of his initial weight class, he was washed up and struggling with a career deblitating injury. You even listing him as credible in counter to fresh prospects is retarded. If the resumes were flipflopped, you would be saying Cotto should be #1 P4P... You're just an idiot that is typing what you want now. Nowhere in this thread did I say Cotto deserves to be ranked ahead of Floyd. That's just the Floyd nuthuggerism in you jumping out. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

I dont think it is, but Run's argument goes far beyond that. He is claiming he has beat better opposition than the number 1 p4p fighter in the game of late. Only a total moron would argue that Floyd has done more in the last 2 years. Plus....I don't take anything you type seriously on this subject. When it comes to Floyd, you're a subjective nuthugger. That's been established. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

I had him in the top 8 after the Quintana fight and everyone on here got mad at me. Now less than 2 months later (and zero fights later for Cotto) everyone suddenly agrees with me? Wack Not me player, i remember u saying that too. He was in mine berfore the Quintana fight , but beating an undefeated hot prospect, southpaw stylist with a good Ko percentage, at a new weight in such devastating fashion pushed him up a notch or 2!

To get back on the topic at hand, I dont see why having him at number 10 is a problem. Especially when people have the likes of Oscar De La Hoya in there after a win over Mayorga. I dont think it is, but Run's argument goes far beyond that. He is claiming he has beat better opposition than the number 1 p4p fighter in the game of late.

To get back on the topic at hand, I dont see why having him at number 10 is a problem. Especially when people have the likes of Oscar De La Hoya in there after a win over Mayorga.

You can disregard the facts all you want. Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter. Cotto obliterated him As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter. Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL. Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not. Gatti? you dont' really think Gatti would beat Quintana do you? That's retarded....he's a club fighter at best and his biggest outings were his ass whippings by DLH and Floyd. Gatti lost to King Soliman and Iran Barkley....that's pretty sad. In fact....he was an exciting fighter but let's leave it at that. Cotto has been fighting up and comers the past two years....whereas Floyd has been fighting 1 unprdictable fighter in Judah, 1 nobody, 1 hasbeen, 1 club fighter. We don't have to keep discussing the Mitchell situation because it's ridiculous. He's washed up, fights with a bad knee, and north of the weight he originated from. Williams beating Mitchell was as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory is impressive after watching Tszyu finish him with 1 punch. Man your making absolutly laughable comments. Floyd has faced better opposition no matter how you look at that.

hate to break it you, but um...those guys are'nt really that good. Gianluca Branco? are you kidding me? Kelson Pinto? Lovemore Ndou? I mean who has any of these guys actually beaten in there career to be considered "Good"there is a big difference bettween good and a durable guy. same with Magliwhateverfuck, who has he actually beaten? didn't ChopChop rock the shit out of him? getting rocked by a non power punching cross dresser is not a good thing. and didn't he struggle badly with Torres? Zab and Baldomir are 10x the fighters than any guy on that list you mentioned. He didnt struggle badly with Torres at all. That fight gets blown out of proportion so bad its not even funny. He dropped him 4 or 5 times and was destroying his body. Corley rocked him with a punch that viewers at home could barely see it was so fast and compact. He rocked Mayweather too, the best fighter in the world.

Are you fucking joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents: Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers. Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight. Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did. Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced. Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather. Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done shit as a pro. Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto. Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power. Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove. Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke... You can disregard the facts all you want. Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter. Cotto obliterated him As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter. Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL. Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not. Gatti? you dont' really think Gatti would beat Quintana do you? That's retarded....he's a club fighter at best and his biggest outings were his ass whippings by DLH and Floyd. Gatti lost to King Soliman and Iran Barkley....that's pretty sad. In fact....he was an exciting fighter but let's leave it at that. Cotto has been fighting up and comers the past two years....whereas Floyd has been fighting 1 unprdictable fighter in Judah, 1 nobody, 1 hasbeen, 1 club fighter. We don't have to keep discussing the Mitchell situation because it's ridiculous. He's washed up, fights with a bad knee, and north of the weight he originated from. Williams beating Mitchell was as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory is impressive after watching Tszyu finish him with 1 punch. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Are you fucking joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents: Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers. Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight. Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did. Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced. Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather. Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done shit as a pro. Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto. Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power. Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove. Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke... You can disregard the facts all you want. Carlos Quintana beat one of the most highly respected prospects in Julio....making him the WBA #1 ranked fighter. As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter. Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL. Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not. If that wasn't the case I don't want to hear you talking about how great Lennox Lewis' Amateur career was, and how he held a victory over Bowe. That's the norm when in discussion of a prospect fight between those two. As far as I am concerned.....beating Quintana is much more impressive than beating Baldomir. Baldomir the fluke doesn't compare to a guy who was riding that impressive of a win...over that fresh of a fighter. Torres might have not faced that great of opposition coming from Columbia...but he did what he was supposed to....he knocked virtually everyone out. 27 knockout wins in 31 fights and most of them in the early rounds. That's much more impressive than once again "Baldomir the fluke" who was winning on points and technical decisions against guys with losing records or no fights at all...LOL. Kelson Pinto was once again a respected Olympian prospect who held a victory over Cotto. It's impressive when you avenge losses against guys who beat you, amateurs or not. Gatti? LOL. Arturo Gatti lost to Iran Barkley, "king" Soliman, and was blown out of the water by every elite fighter he ever faced. Oscar disposed of him in less time than it took Floyd to....and you trying to make it seem like he was superior at the time to all of those guys is ridiculous. As it stands....are you going to favor Gatti over Quintana at Welterweight? That's ridiculous and you can't point to "Gatti being finished or washed up because of something Floyd did". How many times do we have to discuss how Mitchell was Old, washed up, had a bum knee and was fighting in a weight class he shouldn't have been in. His only weapon is mobility and he had none ie him getting hammered by Kostya Tszyu. Like I said Paul Williams beating Sharmba Mitchell is as impressive as Floyd beating him....and neither victory means dick. He's a stepping stone. Cotto has faced tough up and comers in the past two years.....Floyd has faced 1 up and comer, 1 nobody, 1 has been club fighter, and 1 unpredictable fighter in Judah...where I'd say Floyd deserves credit. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Are you fucking joking? Gatti would beat most of the guys you listed for Cotto and he's not that great. Mitchell would probably do the same and those are two of PBF worst opponents on that list. Here is a breakdown of Cotto's opponents: Victoriano Sosa - He's trash. Mayweather leftovers. Lovemore Ndou - Solid fighter, but never did much at the world class level. Count on him to lose to Ben Rabah in his next fight. Kelson Pinto - Prospect who has beaten absolutely no one. I think old ass Vince Phillips knocked his ass out after Cotto did. Randall Bailey - He's lost to every decent fighter he's faced. Chop Chop Corley - This is a solid win for Cotto, but Corley was coming off back-to-back losses to Judah and Mayweather. Muhammed Abdulaev - Good amateur fighter, hasn't done shit as a pro. Ricardo Torres - Solid win, but Torres is a one dimensional fighter who was facing his first real test when he fought Cotto. Gianluca Branco - Bum. This guy got schooled by Gatti, but you're trying to say it's a good win for Cotto and destroying Gatti is meaningless for Mayweather? lol Paul Malignaggi - Who has he beat? He was too small to threaten Cotto and he had no power. Carlos Quintana - All he has is a win over Joel Julio, who is more suspect than prospect. I think Quintana is an OK fighter, but he has more to prove. Talk about overhyping Cotto. What a joke... Its also important to note that Floyd beat several of those fighters before Cotto faced them.

Cotto: Victoriano Sosa Lovemore Ndou Kelson Pinto Randall Bailey Chop Chop Corley Muhammed Abdulaev Ricardo Torres Gianluca Branco Paul Malignaggi Carlos Quintana u namin off his past 2 yrs doesnt legitimaize him he def beat them impressively but really now who are they? all prospects that never were just becuz they gave him a tought fight doesnt mean theyre that good its means hes not that good cottos one of my favorite active fighters but that doesnt mean i throwem in the p4p list yet...... have a feelin this next yr is his yr

Yes struggled badly meaning was rocked several time and was in a life and death struggle, but yeah great win. Again jr. undefeated against who? yeah thats right, none of those actually had many quality wins. Sorry for not being impressed with Paulie beating up club fighters from Boston on FNF. *sighs* ok do any of those guys have the resume of a Gatti or Mitchell? again no, but yeah since they were undefeated fighting turds in alleys and people backyards they have to be much much better right. Dante Graig was an olympion so he must be awsome to...oh what about Ricardo Williams? or how about Bojado cause you know everyone who fights in the Olympics make an awsome pro. As far as Malignaggi is concerned...nobody was talking about "Who he beat" or "comparing fighter's resumes". People were simply pointing out that Malignaggi had a style that Cotto had never faced....a pure boxer that was undefeated. Ok so you've yet to explain why Baldomir is such a good fighter. Was it all the great victories and losses he had against taco venders in Argentina? Again.......Baldomir is a fluke, and held on to a win over an unfocused Judah and a beatdown of a washed up, never was, club fighter. Floyd exposed that in their last outing, because that's the extent of Baldomir. Judah? sure he's an A class fighter....but collectively the guys Cotto has beat as a whole supercede two wins of that caliber. And Just to let you know....Floyd was actually dropped by Judah, that should have been ruled a knockdown,but anyways. You're still missing the point. Resume or not...Mitchell was totally shot and out of his weight class at the time he fought Floyd. Let's not even get started about the leg injuries he faced that eventually led to his career demise. Beating him was about as impressive as Williams beating Mitchell....it means dick because he's way past his prime. Never pay again for live sex! | Hot girls doing naughty stuff for free! | Chat for free!

Cotto has a solid resume. Nothing more, nothing less. He has been smart though because he has fought guys who have presented several styles. Sluggers, boxer-punchers, slick boxers, tough aggressors, defensive fighters, etc. From Quintana to N'Dou to Bailey to Malignaggi to Corley. They all gave him a different look and he can adapt to a lot of things in the ring as a result. Just look at him switching southpaw on Quintana and landing those crazy ass straight lefts. Bernstein was even surprised by dem shits.

Miguel Cotto KO1 All Mexican Fighters in history and thats the truth.

Stick to the lounge and NBA thread, you're out of your element. in 28 fights you can't name a fighter who's faced the kind of opposition he has...outside of a washed up Vargas and other flash in the pan stars and Floyd himself. He is right though. Yeah I suppose Cotto has the best opposition out there for guys with 28 fights, but thats not what p4p is based upon at all.

If by "Struggle badly" you mean finish them both in less than 7 rounds...I guess you could make the case for that. Malignaggi was undefeated and many boxing experts picked him to beat Cotto using his boxing skill. Manny Steward was one of them Carlos Baldomir? Lol the guy from Argentina with like 12 losses? who did he beat? Oh that's right....a washed up Gatti as well as unfocused Judah. Dont give me that linear Welterweight bullshit arguement because it's just sad. Pinto was a highly touted prospect that beat Cotto in the Olympics like I stated. It was a highly anticipated matchup because of this....and Cotto shined just like he did against Abdulaev. I don't remember Floyd avenging his loss to that Russian douchebag or whatever. You know what else is funny.....you left off with the "Baldomir and Judah are 10x better than those guys" because it sounds catchy. I suppose you're forgetting Mitchell, Bruseles and Gatti right? Only a total moron could make the case that a 30 something year old has been club fighter, a nobody from Argentina, and a washed up slickster who should have never fought at 147 to begin with......are better than Olympians and undefeated prospects. Yes struggled badly meaning was rocked several time and was in a life and death struggle, but yeah great win. Again jr. undefeated against who? yeah thats right, none of those actually had many quality wins. Sorry for not being impressed with Paulie beating up club fighters from Boston on FNF. *sighs* ok do any of those guys have the resume of a Gatti or Mitchell? again no, but yeah since they were undefeated fighting turds in alleys and people backyards they have to be much much better right. Dante Graig was an olympion so he must be awsome to...oh what about Ricardo Williams? or how about Bojado cause you know everyone who fights in the Olympics make an awsome pro.