Hate to say it but a 24/7 would be watered down with Clottey in it. He's a nice guy an all but he isn't a big name. Furthermore, I don't see how anything about him would be interesting enough to call for a 24/7 series.
You could have said the same thing about Pacquiao, Cotto, Hatton, or even Mayweather. Floyd wasn't a mainstream star until the De La Hoya-Mayweather 24/7 series. 24/7 is about turning relative unknowns into big names.
A big part of why the series is popular is learning about the different personalities, different cultures, and different families of each of the fighters. We don't know about Clottey but that doesn't mean there's nothing interesting about him.
The difference is, people were given little chance to clear their name once they were branded by Joe.
Pac has that chance... but just didn't take it
People were given a chance to clear their name by submitting to McCarthy's subpoena. There were people, who were non-Communists, who felt Joe was full of shit and acting Un-American and refused to comply with McCarthy's witch hunt. They were unfairly branded as Communists and blacklisted.
The point is, why should Pacquiao have to clear his name in the first place? He's never tested positive and has never show any signs of being on PEDs other than being good.
Is Pacquiao acting suspicious? Sure. Does being suspicious mean he's guilty? No.
Mosley will agree to all his terms and both guys are backed by Golden Boy Promotions, so there's no Bob Arum involved to beef with. The only way it doesn't happen is if Floyd says upfront "I don't want to fight Shane Mosley", which he would never do. He has no other excuses to turn to.
It will happen.
Pacquiao-Clottey would be an incredibly boring 24/7. But it's effective at hyping up a fight and making each fighter look like one of the best in the world. There were people who actually thought Hatton was a threat against Pacquiao or Mayweather.
They should do it if they want to maximize PPV numbers, just be prepared for 1 long episode explaining why Manny is clean.
yes but the whole hearing and court process was a farce. Whether they were accused or not was basically by Joe's whim.
The tests Pac would undergo are not whim, they are scientific and exact.
Any athlete at the top of any sport is gonna catch these kinds of accusations and has to clear their name. Look at baseball, football, basketball... top Olympic Athletes. Hell, anything. Its not fair, boo hoo..but clear your fukking name and get on with it
Sure, but every athlete at the top of the sport follows the laws and regulations of the governing body they compete under. Kobe and LeBron take the tests the NBA requires them to take. When they compete in the Olympics, they take the tests that are required to compete there. It's not like Kobe says "I won't play against LeBron in the NBA Finals unless he decides to take blood tests before each game."
I agree that the current testing system is flawed, but the system won't get fixed by accusing fighters and using a certain testing protocol for certain fights/fighters. Floyd does have the right idea, but he's not doing the sport a service by antagonizing people (not just Pacquiao, the NSAC as well).
If he sat down and gave an interview articulating his thoughts and educating the public about why blood testing is necessary, he would get a lot of people on his side. And he would also put effective pressure on Pacquiao.
Pacquiao is coached for these interviews. Anyone who's seen a Manny Pacquiao interview knows that always starts off his answer by saying "Uhhhhh..." and always talks in platitudes.
It's the same reason why Freddie talks to Buboy in the corner during fights. Manny understands English and speaks English, but isn't fluent in the language.
what is happening to him is utterly repugnant. a clean fighter who has passed all tests & no evidence of steroid use is being branded a cheater.
This is the very essence of McCarthyism.
Good luck finding someone here who knows what McCarthyism is.
His excuses are lame, but the broken English shouldn't be held against him. Anyone who watches his interviews after any of his fights knows he always does the whole "Uhhhhhh..." before he answers.
isn't that the Red scare guy?
Yep. Joe McCarthy.
Basically, McCarthyism is the practice of accusing someone of a crime without any evidence to their guilt. In McCarthy's case, he accused people of being Communists, and used his position as Senator to subpoena individuals into testifying under oath about their "Communist activities."
The practice was ultimately declared unconstitutional and Un-American.
I really don't see the point in arguing about this over and over again. People aren't changing their minds or how they feel about Pacquiao or Mayweather.
At this point I feel like everyone should just move onto Pacquiao-Clottey and Mayweather-Mosley. But that's obviously not going to happen. Everyone here just loves rehashing the same arguments over and over.
This is what SOME Pac fans refuse to understand from most reasonable boxing fans...He's NOT GUILTY...He's very very very SUSPECT.
Sure, I think that's fair to say. And if Mayweather fans articulated that more "Pacquiao may or may not be guilty but he does look suspicious" then I'd have no problem with that. My only problem is the whole "Read/Watch this! This means Manny is guilty!" BS.
He made himself look bad in this one and the fact that he signed a fight with Clottey so soon and the fact that the whole way thru negotiations his team kept mentioning names other than Mayweather leads me to think someone in that camp didn't want the fight.
I think anyone with an unbiased view who followed what was happening realizes that the fight was doomed once Golden Boy refused to go to Dallas.
My theory: Arum promised to deliver a Pacquiao fight to Cowboys Stadium behind the scenes with Jones without Schaefer's knowledge. Once it was clear Golden Boy/Mayweather wanted the fight in Dallas, Arum was looking for ways to get out of the fight. Every day, even when there were reports that Pacquiao and Roach were willing to compromise on the blood tests, Arum was busy giving deadlines and ultimatums and talking about how the fight was dead. It also explains why they were able to put together a deal for Pacquiao-Clottey so quickly. He was the only person involved who looked like he didn't want the fight to take place.
Bob Arum killed the fight.
That is the weakest excuse of all time. You don't want to fight the guy because you don't want him to get rich off you? Who cares what the other guy makes! Mayweather is in line to get a giant payday and the lion's share of the purse.
Mayweather might like to think he's the new Oscar but he isn't the new Oscar. De La Hoya could fight a 14 year old girl and it'd draw 1 million PPVs. People are interested in Mayweather because they want to see him get beaten, so the guy he's fighting as to be a credible opponent or be able to be built up into a credible opponent for the fight to get Oscar-type numbers.
as I have asked others in this thread, if that is the case, why didn't they fight BEFORE Manny fought Cotto?
Because Bob Arum promotes both fighters and Manny defers to him.
Mayweather talks a lot of smack, but one thing I definitely agree with him on is that Arum doesn't like to share the pot with other promoters and if there's an option to put on a fight between two fighters under his control, he's going to do it.
I don't think Manny really cares who he fights, but Roach would want a catchweight for Shane.
Either way, after the Mayweather negotiations turned into a disaster I doubt Arum would have made a deal with any GBP fighter unless Manny was getting a 95-5 split.
If it's an HBO PPV with a full run of 24/7 episodes, then it will do 600K+. That show pushes PPVs to another level and is great at building awareness among people who don't follow the sport closely. Clottey isn't a big name, but people are familiar with Pacquiao and he's drawn a lot of new fans over the past 13 months because of his style.
It also depends how closely the Cowboys and Jerry Jones work with the publicity campaign for this fight. Are they just involved on a local level to sell tickets or will they work on a national level to draw in PPV buyers? If the Cowboys make the Super Bowl, and Bob works with Jerry to spread awareness of the fight at such a high profile event, that probably pushes it to another level.
There's the fall out from the whole blood testing controversy and the Mayweather deal falling apart. I think everyone is disappointed, but there isn't as much outrage among casual fans as there is among hardcore boxing fans. It'll be a small percentage, but there will be people who tune-in out of "Is this guy on steroids?" curiosity.
If Pacquaio is the biggest draw in boxing as his fans on this site believe he is, then the Pac-Clottey fight should draw at least one million PPV. After all, Mayweather drew one million in a figth against a guy who has never drawn on PPV (Marquez), so Pac should be able to do the same type of number since he is sooooo much more popular than Mayweather (and that applies even if Mayweather fights on the same night). However, I agree with yo. I think this fight will do poorly and his fans will have five excuses already made beforehand (ex: not enough time to promote the fight; conflicting PPV with Mayweather, bad date, fallout from the Mayweather/Pac debacle, etc...)
It all depends on the circumstances. If HBO puts on Pacquiao-Clottey 24/7 and they/Top Rank spend $10-20 million in advertising/promotions. Then we'll be able to compare it to Pacquiao/Cotto or Mayweather/Marquez. Both events had the full force of the HBO marketing machine behind them.
I'm not expecting HBO to pull out all the stops for either fight, no matter which fight they choose.
People can't just pretend that all fights are marketed similarly. If HBO picks the Pacquiao fight and Golden Boy has to stage Mayweather on their own, Pacquiao fans can't claim victory over Mayweather when the buy rates are higher because Manny has the HBO machine behind him and Floyd didn't. And vice versa.
If he's serious about cleaning up the system, he would petition the Nevada State Athletic Commission to impose stricter drug tests for all fights, and if they don't comply, he won't fight there until they do. And he could do this for every state interested in staging a Floyd Mayweather fight. If he was serious about blood testing beyond trying to embarass Manny Pacquiao. He would do this.
Forget this "leading by example" stuff. Floyd may have good intentions, but he has never said or done anything for people to make the assumption that he's interested in anything beyond what's good for Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd is a legitimate star in the sport. His fights are big events that pump millions into a city's economy. If he made this power play, he would force the State Commissions to consider his requests.
I think both sides should get blamed, but neither side will ever admit to it.
If Mayweather was serious about drug testing. He actually had more to worry about with Marquez because Juan Manuel was coming up from lightweight to welterweight in the span of 7 months. Why wasn't he worried about Marquez possibily cheating to make the weight? How come he didn't find it suspicious that Ricky Hatton could consistently slim down from around a fat 200 lb to a 140-147 fighting machine? I'm not saying any of those guys are on anything but Pacquiao is hardly the first fighter Floyd has faced you could voice suspicion about taking PEDs.
On the flip side, Pacquiao's team ultimately walked away from the fight over a difference of 10 days for blood testing. He did make a compromise by agreeing to the tests, but 30 days and 24 days and 14 days shouldn't have been a hold up to makig the biggest fight ever. Arum didn't take the negotiations seriously once Cowboys Stadium was out of the picture and seemed to actively look for ways to stop negotiations instead of trying to save the fight.
I think if everyone here turned off their blinders they would see that both sides were idiotic during this whole thing.
He's not a PPV draw.
Being on WCB shouldn't be something to be ashamed about. HBO did the right thing by only putting the biggest events on PPV last year.
Such a wild situation. My jaw dropped when I heard that death count. Staggering. Really does put things in perspective - and makes you wonder what's next.
I hate when people say it puts things into perspective, but this really does put things into perspective.
Best wishes to the entire Berto family.
The compromise was that Pacquiao agreed to three blood testing in the first place. Blood tests are not mandated by the NSAC. Floyd wanted unlimited drug testing up until the day of the fight.
I agree that the 14 days should not have been a deterrent to making the fight and Pacquiao should get blame for not taking those terms because ultimately, quabbling over 24 and 14 days is silly. But saying that 14 days was a compromise is moving the goal posts. In an all or nothing negotiation, Pacquiao was the one who actually made the concession.
I think Floyd is being silent because he's waiting until the Mosley/Berto aftermath before deciding on an opponent.
I would be shocked if he fights on March 13 at this point. It wouldn't be an issue for him because he trains non-stop regardless of whether he has a fight coming up, but GBP has two months to put together a fight and promotion for whoever he's fighting and to go up against Top Rank/Pacquiao/Clottey. I don't think it's realistic.