Oscar was at his absolute best when he had Jesus Rivero as his trainer. Once he left him, he became less technical and chose to brawl it out in fights more often. His first fight with JCC is an absolute masterpiece.
Cotto. He dished out so much punishment Floyd seriously considered retirement after that fight. Maidana put some punches on him too but I dont think he is as strong as Cotto.
I don't remember Margarito getting his eye injured by 1 punch against Pacquiao, I think it was the accumulation of punches that did it. I don't recall one punch/moment like Matthysse Postol where 1 punch really damaged Kell's eye. Nobody knows what happened behind close doors and that's why there's no need to speculate, we will probably never know, the fight was meaningless and unfortunatley a huge talent is now possibly damaged goods, can't bounce back from such an injury so easily. I hope I'm wrong though.
I'm almost 100% positive it was this punch in round 4 that broke his orbital bone.......
Fast forward to 1:07 and then see that left uppercut at 1:11 that caught him as he leaned in. Margarito immediately paws at his right eye and the welt appears seconds later.
I remember at the time, I really hated Oscar and was becoming more of a Tito fan after watching him beat up Whitaker. My whole family is Mexican and we were all rooting for Tito to win. Oscar was definitely whooping his ass but it was clear to anyone he didn't do **** and gave away the last three or four rounds. Considering that tito may have won a couple of the first 8 rounds, I agreed with Letterman's score which was a draw.
When the decision was announced I was happy to see Oscar lose and in a way tried to justify it. But ultimately, I always knew in my heart that it was bull****. If Oscar would have been able to keep it up for the championship rounds we would all look back at this fight as being his best performance and greatest victory. He seemed to have problems with stamina since that fight onward.
I think by the end of 2019 this will still be a heavy contender for fight of the decade. It's the perfect ending to one of the greatest rivalries in history. Their fights have everything there is to love in boxing.
The greatest sports moment I've ever witnessed in my crap life! I got to share it with my dad and brother, so that was cool. Up until that fight I would watch the first 3 fights religiously and get into it with Pacquiao fans online all the time. After my boy put him to sleep I was able to let it go and be at peace with it.
I honestly think Pacquiao would have beat him cleanly if Mayweather wasn't allowed to use spoiling tactics for the entire fight. You don't "outbox" a guy by holding, pushing, using your forearm on their face, pulling down behind the head and putting your opponent in a headlock to offset their attacks. That's not a masterful boxing performance that's just dirty tactics. You beat them with good defense and effective punches. Bayless should have warned and penalized Floyd for it. Wlad vs Jennings is a good example of how different a fight can look when a fighter isn't allowed to hold on every exchange anymore and is threatened with points being taken away. Wlad still won but he had to work harder for it and took a lot more punches in the process. There are great fighters who never clinch or only do so when they are hurt. The type of stuff you saw from Floyd late in his career especially Madiana 2 is just down right excessive and only in Vegas can he get away with that crap.
After Manny got his timing and started slipping Floyd's 1 and 2 punch attacks Floyd has no answers for what was coming in return other than to hold the shit out of him so the ref can come in and save him. I think if he were warned against the spoiling tactics he would have been open for some good punches or serious exchanges and things would have been tougher for him. The type of situation you want to see great fighters in to see what they are made of.
Floyd doesn't fight fire with fire like Marquez does. Most of his counter punching is on the front end of his opponents attacks rather than at the end. He rarely misses his pull counters or sharp left hooks that he throws when he knows his opponent is coming in...so to see Pacquaio slipping them and sometimes landing good counters in return was very interesting to see. Injured or not, in retrospect one thing I underrated was Pac's effort. At the time, I was severely disappointed with him because compare to what Maidana did to Floyd in two Pac's fight looked pretty weak. There just weren't enough punches landed by either guy.
Floyd had 3 good rounds (1, 5, 11) and Pacquiao had about 3 good rounds himself(4, 6, 8) and the rest were for the most part uneventful even rounds that could go either way. I give Floyd round 2. Round 3 was a closer round that I still give him. I tend to give Pac round 7 and 10. I don't remember how round 9 played out so I don't know who that went to, and Round 12 was up for debate as neither guy did much.
So basically if you ask me, the fight was competitive. I have watched the HBO/Show broadcast and the Boxnation broadcasts and neither team was doing a real play by play of the fight as it was going on. It was all just narratives about how great Floyd is, while completely ignoring the action in the ring where every second counts. You'd be lying if you said commentating doesn't influence the viewing public.
10-2 is a ****in joke. Everytime I've scored it it was still a 7-5 victory for Floyd but I think the dudes on here who act like Floyd put on a dominant masterclass are not being objective at all. If anything, this fight proved that Pacquiao had some seriously underrated boxing IQ/skills the way he was making Floyd miss and countering him. Aside from the jab, Floyd wasn't really that consistent with his straight right or left hook. His two big right hand counters in the first round did have a big impact to how the fight played out because you could see that it offset Pacquiao's gameplan and made him a bit more cautious. I still think it's an interesting fight to watch.
How to Beat Floyd Mayweather:
Not as good of an analysis here but there are some good points raised.....
How to Beat Manny Pacquiao:
I cant ****in wait. At this point I'm starting to lean towards Pacquiao because of his south paw stance, his footwork and use of the right hook and lead left. Mayweather will have to be at his absolute best to make Manny miss and pay consistently. He simply cannot stand and shell up because Pacquiao will get through eventually. He needs to bring great footwork and effective counter punching.
The commentary in question was originally on boxnation's broadcast of the fight with Bob Sheridan and some other guy. It's the same commentary that Showtime uses for their replay of the fight. It was god awful. It was as if they had prepared to commentate a fight they expected Floyd to completely dominate. It almost put HBO's pachugging to shame. HBO's commentary for this fight was much better than they normally do. Some say it was a little too pro Cotto, though.
Floyd won the fight but Cotto put hurt on him almost every round. Even if he struggled from time to time I still think its one of Floyd's best performances, because he was forced to bring the A game.
Rewatched the fight, and tried to count clean shots landed, but gave up after round 3. I had Maidana outlanding Floyd by A LOT of punches by then, and decided to just focus on watching the fight.
1. Maidana round 10-9
2. Floyd does good here but Maidana takes over with combos, landing 5-6 shots at a time. Marcos wins again 20-18
3. Maidana round 30-27
4. Even round, but Marcos has a clear edge in punches landed. 40-36
5.Maidana again 50-45
6. I gave it to Floyd, but it was close and can go both ways. 59-55
7. Floyd doing better defensive work and using distance better. 68-65
8. Close round, I gave it to Maidana but I may need a closer look. 78-74
9. Floyd's best round. 87-84
10. Floyd round. 96-94
11. I had Maidana winning first time, but gave it to Floyd this time. 105-104
12. I think I gave this to Floyd second time, but originally had it for Maidana. 114-114
Obviously I need to look at some rounds a little closer, and considering it was a good scrap I dont mind watching it again. I think a draw is a fair score, if I had to lean one way I would say Marcos 7-5. Floyd 7-5 is a feasible score as well. Floyd may very well have won but regardless of the outcome this was Marcos Maidana's night. He left the arena feeling elated while Floyd left feeling hurt.
No way in hell was it 117-111 and I still find 116-112 hard to buy.
Marquez vs pacquiao 3
Marquez didn't get the win (robbed) but that was the best he looked against pac not including the ktfo
This was my pick too. Might of been one of the finest boxing performances of his career.
Sweet Pea by far. The dude only stood 5 foot 5 but still had the balls to stand up to much bigger and taller guys. And he made it look so easy.
Pea was a very agressive fighter. He didnt pot shot and keep his opponents at a distance quite like Mayweather does. He would be right in their face giving offense while he simultanously evaded all of their attacks. He was simply spectacular.
Pernell also established himself as a premier welterweight fighter. He even proved he could get business done at Jr Middleweight if he wanted.
So far pretty boy has shown a reluctance to face real welterweights. We'll see.
Marquez is the P4P King in ball size!
While Pac was fighting weight drained face first opposition and signing to fight a man who seems to be damaged goods(cotto), Marquez was going after the best in the divisions.
There's nobody out there who has his level of testicular fortitude. Floyd's little nuts dont even come close.
Yeah, he should take on Bradley or someone at 140 so he can make Mexican history.
I completely agree with you.
Marquez demonstrated his great ability to adjust to what his opponent brings him. He wasnt like Hatton who would run into the straight right every round without adjusting.
Marquez didnt make any excuses. He gave Floyd his due and he said he did his absolute best in there. There is no shame in that. He is a warrior and he deserves respect.
He had everything going against him. Jumping up 2 weight classes at age 36 to challenge the most diciplined and complete fighter he could have faced. He knew he was taking a risk and he was willing to go for it.
Mayweather had absolutely every advantage he could have. He fought a fantastic ****in fight but he doesnt deserve all the praise in the world. Fight some dudes your size now. Enough is enough with fighting blown up lightweights.
Just fast forward to 3:55 on this video when the decision is being announced.
It looks like even Manny was accepting that he probably lost the fight. He was congratulating Marquez and giving Nacho a hug while the decision is being read. Doesnt look like the behaviour of a fighter who thinks he won. You see total shock and delight on his face when he hears his name announced.
Meldrick Taylor. He went from being the next Sugar Ray Leanord on the verge of upsetting a mexican phenom with a 66-0 record to being a man that lost it all in two crucial defeats(Chavez, and Norris). Poor guy.
Advantages:
Age- Floyd
Height- Floyd
Weight- Floyd
Speed- Floyd
Power- Floyd
Reach- Floyd
Reflexes/Athleticism- Floyd
Marquez was fighting while climbing up a mountain at the same time. He was simply at a clear disadvantage. He was clearly up way beyond his best weight and its shameful to think that Mayweather didnt respect the contract that called for a catchweight of 144 lbs. With all those odds stacked against JMM, he still dug down deep and did his best against an opponent he knew he needed miracles against.
Juan Manuel Marquez made it to the final bell because he has a great defensive wit. He was in the fight defensively, but he just didnt have the offense to make it a competative fight. He said before the fight that he would jump all over Mayweather the way Hatton and DLH did, but as soon as the bell rang it was clear that pressure fighting is not something JMM is comfortable doing.
I think Mayweather did try his best to press for a knockout in the 10 and 11 rounds. He is just not the kind of fighter to open up without risking getting hit. I think he said he felt rusty because he wasnt able to land good combos against Marquez. It probably had less to do with ring rust than it did with Marquez being ring savy enough to get away from alot of the punishment.
One thing I was proud of JMM for was the way he was batting away and catching alot of the body shots Mayweather threw at him. He may have not won a single round, but he still showed me that he is still one of the most respected boxers in the world for a reason.
Chavez/Randall III was pretty entertaining. They were both in their 40's, and just went to war with eachother.
I'd like to see tito vs oscar again. I just wouldnt pay for it.
I recently sat down and tried to score the fight. Half way through the 5 or 6th I realized that scoring this fight is ****in hard so I gave up and watched the fight in full enjoyment.
Both guys could have won.
When I first saw it in 07 I thought Cotto won. Last time I watched in a few weeks ago I gave it to Mosley.
I think that Mosley with Nazim Richardson manning the corner can beat Cotto in fine fashion.
Mosley had his father training him in the Cotto fight. I didnt hear one good piece of technical advice from his corner the whole night. Shane had no help when he really needed it.
I think that the help of a guy like Richardson would give Mosley the edge in the rematch.
He earned my respect for getting up from 2 huge left hooks in the first round to staying in the fight until he got KO in the 12 and final round.
But still, putting a 21 year old in with a seasoned veteran like Tito who also happened to be the most dangerous puncher in those devisions was a pretty stupid thing to do.
I saw his acting skills in Alpha Dog and I knew he had been punched too much.
pernell whittaker was not a man.. he was a walking jar of vasaline.
LOL
Seriously when I watched Chavez/Whitaker I was convinced he was made out of the same shit that Gumby was made out of.