63.13% of the vote in favour of the Gypsy King. This is surprisingly less than you'd expect, but then there are a lot of people on here who DKSAB!! :lol1:
Yeah, 20.11% of people don’t know that Fury isn’t knocking anyone out.
It's just a teaser for Dubois v Joyce, let's be real.
Apart from Fury, who is tied to fight in the US for TR twice more, that is QBP’s premier HW matchup.
Tragic.
You better hope he does , for josuas sake maybe then he can fight charles martin again for a vacant belt lol
I think you're mistaken on your history there, buddy. Martin v Joshua wasn't for the vacant IBF. Martin fought Glazkov for the vacant strap.
Why would I hope he retires? I want Joshua to fight Fury to prove Fury is beatable.
Thanks for your input though. SMH.
He beats them all.
I have always been adamant, that he would of beaten Fury in their rematch. A man of Wladimir Kiltschko's perceptive intelligence, does not necessarily get weaker in defeat 'All the first fight with Fury provided was information, to be analysed and transmuted into a better version of himself' THIS was a trait that all Emmanuel Stewards heavyweights shared.
The one positive that Kiltschko could have taken from their first fight was? That he was the constant aggressor, and Fury's power at minimal affect upon him 'Kiltschko did not fear Fury at all coming into that second fight'.
100% this.
I never said he beat martin for the vacant strap; i said he will probably fight martin for the belt fury vacated, just like he fought grandad klitschko for furys vacant wba. Thanks for putting a spin on it to your advantage though, atleast you tried
Haha, ok pal. Pot kettle black.
Why would he? He should beat Joshua or did he get busted for PEDs again or something?
It wasn't really a genuine post. Its because there is too much BS Fury rhetoric about how bad Joshua is.
In reality; I want Fury v Joshua. Everything else is background noise.
However; there is always the possibility that Fury does one of the following: -
1. Retires clinging to the Lineal title, claims mental illness.
2. Cashes out v Wilder III, claims mental illness.
3. Retires into a coke binge, claims mental illness.
4. Gets busted sucking Boar cock, claims mental illness.
5. Gets knocked out.
Hopefully number 5.
1. Fury
2. Joshua
3. Wilder
4. Povetkin
5. Ruiz
6. Whyte
7. Parker
8. Ortiz
9. Hunter
10. Pulev
Usyk has done nothing yet. When Usyk beats Chisora and Pulev loses to Joshua, Usyk takes his place.
Not sure Usyk makes it through Chisora. Its one thing beating Witherspoon, it another fighting Del. He's got great durability (not much else).
You need to look through my previous posts to the dubois fight i backed joyce all the way i knew hed walk through dubois and i know hed walk through the rest of them including fury
and because he beat an unproved Dubois, he now beats a proven AJ. You are literally dumb as fuck.
Wow, this forum gets better and better. Biggest bunch of bandwagon wankers I've seen. Joyce, who was once robotic and won't beat Dubois now is better than a proven two time unified champion.
This forum. SMH.
I think Fury is more likely to win than Joshua. He has a lot of advantages.
As a Joshua fan; I am hoping he does KO him. He better do it quick otherwise Fury will overwhelm him as the fight goes on.
So, Fury by UD most likely but putting some coin on Joshua KO/TKO within 5 and praying!
Based on WHAT?
Already you're the 2nd guy claiming Fury is going to be splattered but have provided no evidence or reason other than "I'm an AJ fanboy, I said so.".
Fury is taller, stronger, longer and MUCH heavier than AJ.
So already AJ is at a physical disadvantage. What does he bring to the table to mitigate Furys physical advantages?
The answer is nothing. AJs best chance is to throw and land a prayer and thats it.
Fury might not fight killers all the time but hes proven again and again that he rises to the occasion when it counts and that matters. Compare to AJs American debut where gets flatlined by an fat@ss and took a decision in the rematch refusing to engage at all.
Yet somehow AJ is gonna flatline a guy who's better than Andy Ruiz in less time who is taller, longer, stronger, and just as heavy?
Makes a ton of sense fanboy.
There isn't really any metric to prove that Tyson Fury is stronger than AJ and how can you provide evidence that Joshua will knock Fury out when the fight hasn't even happened yet? That's a silly thing to say.
Power doesn't mitigate the biological disadvantages that Fury has but its the one attribute that trumps the others. We saw that if power connects, Fury goes down, just like any other man.
Fury likes to talk a big game about knocking out opponents but we know that Joshua has a massive power advantage, Kronk or no Kronk. Fury is totally hittable. McDermott, Cunningham, Wallin and Wilder showed us that.
You're calling people fanboys but then looking like a total fanboy yourself. Yes, Joshua lost to Ruiz. Its HW boxing. How many people think Fury lost to McDermott and Wilder? The answer is; A LOT.
Joshua did to Ruiz, what Fury did to Klitschko so you need to decide here, did they both run or did they both box amazingly well? Just because Joshua is synonymous with knocking people out, doesn't mean he doesn't deserve the credit for totally outclassing his opponent. Its not one rule for one, and not another.
So, rather than being a hypocrite and a condescending douche bag; accept that you aren't providing 'evidence' yourself.
All HWs today are garbage. People say that bc Fury and AJ or Wilder are best of the division that makes them good...No. They are all C level fighters in a F/D division.
None of them are ATG at anything.
LOL, here we go again.
Answer me this; who are you comparing them to?
The only joke here is you becauze you very obviously have no idea how to score a fight and love to make a big deal about things not even relevant today.
For example, how can you "prove" something with evidence?
Like this.
X fighter has a granite chin. Hes never been knocked down or out. Thats why I believe he won't get knocked out in his next fight.
How did I come to that conclusion?
You see what I did there? Did you see it?
Now sure, x fighter could lose by KO in his next fight but everything until that moment does not support that argument.
Did you do that? Nope. In fact you didn't even talk about AJ at all. So much bias from someone pretending to be so objective lmao.
And let's talk about your limited knowledge when it comes to power lifting. You think a power lifter is stronger than someone who is naturally bigger than them?
Too funny bro.
You do know that only has to do with fiber density and diversity right? And those individuals who posses such explosive strength RARELY have the stamina to do endurance sports right?
So you example really isn't a good example.
Especially considering that AJ isn't even a power lifter himself and for most of his life was a body builder?
I love when stupid people try their best to sound smart. You know when other people talk, if you listen, you can really understand what kind of person they are.
You very obviously are limited in your boxing knowledge and your knowledge of the body.
You think im wrong? Let me pretend I'm you and provide another poor example misusing information.
Oh, long distance runners have a ton of stamina. I bet if boxing was 15 rounds they would beat everyone because guys can't even last 12 rounds these days.
Imagine after saying something so stupid like that and then patting yourself on the back.
Power lifters lift a lot more weight for their body size so they must be stronger than bigger guys.
Lmfao.
Is strength the maximum amount of weight you can lift? Too ****ing funny
What you have just said about 'sounding smart' but actually being stupid was the epitome of your own words. Yes, that was me saying 'I know you are but what am I?'.
The beauty of your entire ramble was that you didn't disagree with anything I'd said previously. So I'll assume that you realised your error and I accept your apology.
Yo.
I barely watch the HW division but tune into the "big fights".
Im by no means a fan of Tyson Fury rather I think hes the best based on what he's accomplished and how he's looked in the ring.
You guys all wanna pretend everyone has a stake in this or reasons other than boxing why they want this dude to win but that's not the case here.
How do we now Tyson is stronger than AJ? Because AJ doesn't naturally have the same size. Fury is a big 270+ and naturally carries that weight.
Does that mean Fury is a harder hitter based on that fact alone? No! But let's pretend that's what i meant when I said that.
You think im a consending ******* because you I'm talking down about your boy. All I'm doing is pointing out the very obvious.
The best part is where you go on and claim Fury is hittable and that's why AJ will win. Nooooo **** Sherlock. Boxers get hit with punches.
Then go on to, look at the bold, pretend that a lot of people thing Fury lost those two fights. Lmfao. Who thinks he lost those fights?
You say A LOT. Im calling you a liar especially when it comes to Wilder lmfao.
McDermott was a fight that happened how long ago and has what kind of relevance today? It happened in 2009 ffs. But no let's bring it up because why again?
And Wilder? No one thought he won anything other than the salty black fanboys who refused to concede worse than Trump despite all the evidence saying the contrary.
Has AJ ever fought someone with the same as Fury?
Has he fought anyone with a similar style?
Can he effectively fight off his back foot against an opponent with superior length and jab?
Is he willing to trade on the inside if Fury fights moving forward?
Will he have enough gas?
All questions AJ needs to answer and somehow you think he and yourself have all the answers to these questions.
For most of those questions I think no, which is why I dont think he will win. Apparently you think differently huh?
Still no 'evidence' then?
First off; saying 'lmfao' to all of your own sentences doesn't mean they are funny. It makes you look like a twat.
Secondly; body weight has nothing to do with strength. You only need to look at Powerlifting and the weight those guys are and how much they move to see that.
I think you're a condescending douche bag because you talk down to other posters, demanding evidence from them to validate their post when the event hasn't taken place. SMH.
Oh, so you agree that Fury is totally hittable and that's how AJ will win. Good.
I mean, you only have to Google to see the list of sources that come up thinking he lost to John McDermott...but here's a reputable one...
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/sep/14/mcdermott-fury-english-heavyweight-boxing
But let me guess, that's not enough and you are a superior source because you post on this forum??? Jeez.
I'm a liar? Ok. So other than the above...do you really mean to say that the 10 count wasn't close enough in the 12th round KD in Fury Wilder 1 to say that it isn't debateable? I know Fury did enough to win the fight in lieu of the knockdown but if you don't think the 10 count wasn't close, you are actually blind.
and that is why a LOT of people think Fury lost to Wilder and McDermott.
I mean, you just get better and better. You ask for 'evidence' of the questions that you are now asking me and you expect me to just pluck it out of thin air to prove you wrong?
So here's me acting like you. I want you to give me evidence that God exists and everything you say is wrong until you give me this evidence. Do you think God exists? Any answer you give is unacceptable but I'll still going to ask; do you think God exists? But you don't have evidence so I'll go ask my priest.
You're a bit of a joke, really.
And I haven't recognized WBN as a legitimate boxing news site for a long time.
Exactly. The most recent one I read had about 10 spelling mistakes in it! Rather than 'in', it was just 'n'.
Basic mistakes from a basic site.
No different than competing for a division championship, then a conference championship, etc as you work your way towards the world championship in the NBA, NFL, etc.
World Championship!? Only American and Canadian teams compete FFS. Nothing 'Worldly' about it.
Fair question. Ortiz has to be the most chronically underated heavyweight. Certainly he has to show up in shape, certainly he is older, past his best... But the guy is skilled, has a decent chin, and is smart as a fox. I would actually take him over Martin, provided he came in like he did against Wilder that second fight.
I do rate Ortiz. His performances against Wilder showed he could easily beat him if Wilder didn’t have the power that he does. I think he gives Fury a test. I think AJ would eventually stop him after a good scrap.
He did have a HUGE opportunity though and he threw it down the toilet over money.
You’ll probably be able to say the same thing about every HW ranked 4-50, right now. They want the money fight without putting it all on the line against someone of the same standard.
I agree with you, we are in some transition.
You have Fury and Joshua as champs, Wilder as ex champ, Usyk as contender. The rest contenders are old or have already lost to champ. Future contenders are still waited to step up.
Yeah, we need a gap to open up once the old boys retire.
The best fights have been pushed back by Covid and we are left with Povetkin, Ortiz, Chisora (who all need to retire) being terrible PPV draws to keep it all ticking over.
Can see Joshua v Pulev being pushed now that Whyte v Povetkin has. There isn't any pressure on someone fighting Fury either because of the UK lockdown.
Joyce v Dubois isn't exactly going to set the boxing world on fire but at least it isn't utter garbage.
There could be such a decent depth of fights if these guys all fought one another.
But let’s be honest, we all know why they aren’t fighting one another. They’re waiting for their opportunity to talk themselves into a mega pay day title fight.
Seems like the only HW legit willing to fight anyone at the moment is Joe Joyce. And that’s because he’s 35 already!
I wouldn't say that I am prioritising my weekend around it but its a top Heavyweight fulfilling his mandatory obligation so what's not to like? I don't see any other top Heavyweights fighting.
Problem is, if its not Joshua v Fury; you're not going to able to please the haters.
The problem with this thread is that it’s looking at this totally one sided. The UK has had so many world champions in relative terms to the likes of the US that shouldn’t we be asking the question; how does the UK produce so many World Champions?
Smith losing to Canelo isn’t anything to do with nationality, FFS.
Really, I think the most honest answer is; I would prefer to see Whyte v Wilder.
But Ortiz is a solid boxing household name. If the Povetkin fight is delayed further, why not?
They’re good just not great very few actual fighters are great
But there can only be a few greats otherwise that diminishes the accomplishments of those considered ‘Great’. Same in every sport.
Only rich Shieks and the Instagram thots they like to crap on will attend.
Well, not necessarily. I bet its a combo of xenophobia against Saudi's and not being able to drink that will stop some folks from going!
Make The Ring belt the only world title and rename it as World Title.
Get Hearn to buy into Ring Magazine with Oscar and keep it within DAZN for 10 years. Work with local boards and commissions across all countries to ensure standardized PED testing for all licenced fighters.
Unify as many alphabet titles as possible over time only on DAZN (a few years) and then immediately vacate them all which makes them paper titles and not recognised by fans and media.
Eventually all the titles held hostage on other networks will have been moved to DAZN through unification.
Make the champion defend their title once every 6 months or lose it.
With this plan you maintain the lineage of all four sanctioning bodies unified under one World Title but you only ever get one champ per division.
After 10 years all belts will be condensed into one title.
and then make the Ring World Champion and UFC Champions go at it to become the Super World Champion
Perhaps, I don't see this fight being made in anywhere else besides the UK. Had potential to be the biggest fight there had it not been for the pandemic.
I don't think there would be a stadium big enough for it in the UK, to do it justice. Even though 90,000 at Wembley sounds good, its not enough.
If what Arum said is true and both fighters are set to make 100m ($ or £???) then it won't be in the UK, which is a massive shame.
Yeah it was terrible, they were incredibly racist to Hagler along with a racist remark from Minter himself. Unfortunately British boxing attracts a lot of meathead casual fans.
Thankfully Hagler showed them he wasn’t the type of guy to **** with.
Oh man, since the BLM movement, so much more has come to light about how White Brits treated minorities in the UK, especially the authorities.
If you aren't in the UK, try and watch a series called 'Small Axe'. I thought it was great.
Also, recently I heard an interview with a woman who moved from Jamaica to the UK to be a TV Journalist but when she appeared on TV in the 60's (I think), the BBC got loads of complaints just because she was black. She was going an interview with a White guy about white and black people swimming. SMH.