Sorry, but this heavyweight era is pretty bad

That is why Fury is the best. he is just the most skilled between all those huge guys. I agree big man got some skills and smooth feet for a monster. Always been a fan of Fury, he is a true student of the game. Maybe Joshua has some skill but it’s isn’t like Fury. Other than that everybody is sloppy

Yeah man, its goes colorline/UScentric. To just US-centric, to most the world except the commies, to the whole world finally has the ability to box if they like. Jack Dempsey takes a huge hit, imo, because before him the tradition for the white or lineal champion was the fight the colored champions before the lineal became lineal champion. So while Jeffries, Hart, Burns, and Johnson to an extent can all be questioned because they did not or hardly fought black men as lineal champion they did fight not just black men, but the champions of the black alternative title. Jeffries whooped Peter Jackson Hart whooped Jack Johnson. Burns I don't remember whooping a Police Gazette colored champion but I think we can all forgive that given he lost his title to one and is the man who broke the colorline proving TB was scared of no man. Johnson, of course, whooped quite a few colored champs being a black man himself. I think today his record in under appreciated actually. Taking Klon***e in his 9th outing isn't just ballsy it's ****ing impressive. Klon***e was no joke despite his record. Willard? Nada. US centric, whites only, didn't fight a colored champion before, during, or after, but it's hard for Jess to take a hit given no one ever though Jess was anything but the man at the time. Last of the hopes, no better than the first, Johnson just got old. Besides that though, he has a very US-centered record. Dempsey? Shining light of the oldens isn't he? Meant to be an ATG, meant to be one of if not the hardest p4p puncher of all time. Dempsey the unstoppable juggernaut of history fought no colored champions ever, not before, not during, not after his reign. Dempsey the world crusher fought one Canadian White Hope who never made it, One French White Hope who never made it, and an Argentine who never made it. Ironically, or maybe rather suspiciously, all three of these foreign challengers have losses to colored world champions. Arthur, after becoming World White HW champion during the Johnson era, got passed around by the colored champions like a whore. Losses to Mcvea, Jennette, Norfolk, Jim Johnson, the works. Carpentier, the very first White champion of the Johnson era, was losing to colored champions before he was a white champion. Dixie Kid and Jeanette both took him out. Then there is Firpo who got his ass kicked by the main man Dempsey ducked; Wills. Not to mention all the time guys like Leo Flynn called Jack on ducking guys like Norfolk or Jack himself admitting to ducking Langford. I know a lot of history buffs would put Dempsey ahead of Fury but I'm not sure I'd even put him above Wilder let alone the man who beat him. It's funny to me he usually gets the nod in Dempsey vs Marciano but I'm quite, quite sure Rocco steamrolls this well protected hypejob of an ATG. Just right through him. But even by Marciano-Lennox has a bit of a black eye cause commie boxing. 91 might be the fall of the USSR, but that's not fair to say they should have a champ by 92. Vitali in 99 is pretty damn impressive I reckon. For a nation just allowed in not even a decade ago. I love me some Marciano, Ali, Lewis, so on, especially Holyfield in the 90s, but even though they were badass they were hardly the world champions Wlad, Vitali, Wilder, Joshua, Fury, etc are. I still put Marciano above most but I couldn't argue with someone saying a lot of the world was out of boxing then so he's not really a world champion. :lol1: ****, couldn't help myself. Long ass post anyway :lol1: Great post, man. I appreciate your history knowledge. :boxing:

Which is why Fury destroys all the "best" men he faces. He deserves better opposition, Not a bum like Wlad, Wilder or AJ.

Stupid yanks and thinking nothing is great because they’re not involved. Yes, it was better when 45-yr old Foreman and 43-yr Larry Holmes were beating bums to become world champions. I guess the overrated Mike Tyson that never beat any top boxer is the best thing since slice bread. Lennox Lewis the best in the 90s got knocked out twice by two average boxers. And Holyfield the 2nd best in the 90s lost to Bowe whose career got ended by a bum and lost to an average boxer in Moorer. F...uck out of here. This is the best era since the 70s! Why do you keep saying Larry Holmes won a world title in the 1990’s? Which title did he win?

I must admit , no. I rather watch other divisions, to be honest. Your choice. Nobody puts gun on your head to watch.

Wilder beaten like a dog when fighting Fury as a defending WBC champion Ruiz doing nothing in a rematch, losing 12 -0 in rounds to Joshua, as a defending champion. Kownacki , "top PBC prospect" stopped in 4th round by Helenius. Ortiz, Sanchez, Zhang, Hrgovic fighting bums in fights nobody cares about. Usyk - Chisora is actually the best hw fight we have seen recently. Sorry, but this era is pretty bad. I mean, it has a potential. But contenders and fringe contenders must start fighting each other. No **** Sherlock, this era is probably worse than when Mike Tyson went on to clean up the division, back then we all said that was the worst ever era for heavyweights, but this crop surpasses it easily for mediocrity.

How world was Ali really? Well...he fought black American, white American, Germans, Canadians, Brits, Argentinians, Belgians..I guess he was legit. But I agree with you, times changed. Now you have ex Russians as pros, Cubans..

I feel like every Heavyweight fight, I just see the same skill set and it just is sloppy and boring as ****. These guys can’t even throw combos anymore That is why Fury is the best. he is just the most skilled between all those huge guys.

Call me crazy but I think Evolution just took over the Heavyweight division. The days of quick and active Heavyweights are gone due to the fact that they had better skill, better speed, better activity but those type of Heavyweights are too small for the Heavyweight division currently. I feel like every Heavyweight fight, I just see the same skill set and it just is sloppy and boring as ****. These guys can’t even throw combos anymore Everybody is almost 240+ and 20ft tall so the smaller active heavyweights don’t have the power and the most important factor are giving up 35+ Pounds

Fury looks like he would have been a tough fight for anyone of any era but the fact guys like pulev, povetkin and chisora are all in high profile fights near the top end of the division despite being at least 5 years past their primes tells you all you need to know about the quality of the division .

It's great now. Most of the Wlad reign was boring, the 90's ridiculously overrated, but now, it's great. I watched Golota and Bowe 1 and 2 recently, this is prime Bowe, and boy, does he suck. If not for the DQ's he was losing both of those fights. I know a lot of people loved watching Tyson KO electricians, builders and binmen, but I'm not one of those people. Whyte just got ktfo by a shell from that era. Bowe was not in his prime vs Golota, that was the beginning of the end for him. You need to watch his fights with Holyfield. It's easy to pick individual fights, look at prime AJ with Ruiz in both fights, Parker, Takam, he won his first title against Charles Martin....these aren't great fighters nor were the performances good from AJ in those fights (except for Martin but we know why that is). Fury going life and death with Wallin and nearly stopped? Getting schooled and dropped by a cruiserweight? What about Wilder's title run? Who did he fight? How did that go? Not sure who it was on the other page talking about Ali-Spinks, like we're really discounting the rest of Ali's career to make this era seem better than it actually is? I think it's a good time for heavyweight boxing but picking individual fights from the past to discredit the rest of these fighters careers and achievements isn't it....I love the heavyweight era at the moment but just made it look like **** by talking about individual fights like you're doing with past fighters/eras, what you're saying isn't clever or proving anything other than you don't know much about boxing's past if you think Ali-Spinks or the Bowe-Golota fights defined their eras.

You goons will never be satisfied, will you. There could be a new race of genetically engineered supermen made to be superior boxers on the genetic level made, and they could put on a series of fights between themselves that puts the sports' golden eras to shame and dudes would still moan about it somehow

I agree with you, we are in some transition. You have Fury and Joshua as champs, Wilder as ex champ, Usyk as contender. The rest contenders are old or have already lost to champ. Future contenders are still waited to step up. Yeah, we need a gap to open up once the old boys retire. The best fights have been pushed back by Covid and we are left with Povetkin, Ortiz, Chisora (who all need to retire) being terrible PPV draws to keep it all ticking over. Can see Joshua v Pulev being pushed now that Whyte v Povetkin has. There isn't any pressure on someone fighting Fury either because of the UK lockdown. Joyce v Dubois isn't exactly going to set the boxing world on fire but at least it isn't utter garbage.

And yes the division only made a comeback because of the UK/Hearn/AJ. Not even Fury beating Wlad made much of a fanfare, it was all Hearn and AJ. People like Ruiz and Parker were considered fodder with people only recognising Fury, Wlad and AJ as he was gaining experience. I remember the good old days. Notice how all of the guys we consider 'contenders' now were nothing before facing AJ, but now they are considered 'world class'. That's promotion for you, sorta like how everyone Loma faced was hyped up. "He beat THE Nicholas Walters. THE Jason Sosa". Lots of boxers only have 'somebodies' on their resume because they were made out to be "somebodies" to build up a fight, so in reality they are writing history as it happens. To be fair to Loma, Walters was out axeing people left right and centre. Look what he did to Donaire. He made a name for himself in his own right.

Out of all of these fighters, who has actually done anything for casuals to take notice? Because thats how the boxing world survives; casuals buying PPV - not us lot talking about it on a niche boxing forum. I agree with you, we are in some transition. You have Fury and Joshua as champs, Wilder as ex champ, Usyk as contender. The rest contenders are old or have already lost to champ. Future contenders are still waited to step up.

Hrgovic, Ajagba, Yoka, Dubois, Joyce, Dychko, Makhmudov...should. They are all big enough. Out of all of these fighters, who has actually done anything for casuals to take notice? Because thats how the boxing world survives; casuals buying PPV - not us lot talking about it on a niche boxing forum.

c Who really wants to get in the ring with a f-ing monster like Joshua, Wilder or Fury? The paycheck is not worth the brain damage. Hrgovic, Ajagba, Yoka, Dubois, Joyce, Dychko, Makhmudov...should. They are all big enough.

Lets be honest, it may not have great depth because kids coming up now need to be super-heavyweights and KO artists to get anywhere. There are too many low-calibre fighters coming through who just get lined up to get knocked out by the current HW crop. If you haven't got that wow factor KO power and you're under 6ft 5, you ain't going to turn the heads of the big promoters. Plus, there is too much hype surrounding fighters that then get sparked out at the first big hurdle - for example; Hrgovic stopping Rydell Booker was on the boxing news feed making it seem like Rydell Booker was the stepping stone to Fury or Joshua. SMH. When the old guard retire i.e. Povetkin, Ortiz etc, there will be a gap for some younger fighters to spring up and make a statement. If none of them can, not a lot else we can do. Who really wants to get in the ring with a f-ing monster like Joshua, Wilder or Fury? The paycheck is not worth the brain damage.

basically its a division dominated by european fighters so that now makes it a 'weak division' in eyes of mexicans and americans. you can bet if bum squad had knocked out joshua and fury he'd be p4p number 1 tho. Man, I am European, I just see what I see. But I must say, it has a potential. 90s great wasn`t great either.

i think its the best division in boxing, what youve listed mainly is a bunch of pbc no hopers who noone cares about. a lot of the top fighters are still fighting each other, weve had povetkin/whyte, usyk/chisora recently and weve got dubois/joyce coming up. joshua always fights top opponents, fury too. obviously wilder is ****e but thats the guy people wanted him to fight, and he did and he beat him like a small child It is the most competitive division in boxing.