Jersey Joe Walcott twice, Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles twice, Roland La Starza twice, and Joe Louis.
You can only fight who they put in front of you and Marciano beat them all. Yes, Joe Louis was old. But Rock still had to beat him, and he did.
I would be more impressed with Marciano if he beat Sonny Liston or a younger Joe Louis
many of Floyds opponents were good, some even on the verge of greatness, until floyd beats them, and then, we hear how Floyd cherry picked some tomato can..
True. Floyd schooled Canelo, who had a 20 lbs weight advantage on him. The critics then said that Canelo wasn't good. This is the same Canelo that would go on to beat GGG, Cotto, and Khan.
The "Floyd ducked Manny and waited until he was out of his prime" argument is the dumbest I have ever seen. Yeah Manny was old, but Mayweather was 2 years older than him. Mayweather was 38 years old and out his prime during the fight. The result would have been worse if Mayweather was in his prime.
pacquiao was destroying everyone, and all the world wanted floyd to fight a prime pacman
everyone remembers that
but floyd did everything he could to avoid it, every excuse to stall it, from money to blood testing...
as floyd always does, he waited until marquez brutally KO pacman
Why did Floyd absolutely school a prime Marquez but Pac got his ass knocked out by an older Marquez? Pac was on the same level as Marquez. Marquez was nowhere Floyd's skillset.
Not at the same time, that's crazy. Two in the same night would be a legendary feat. Tag team might work.
Floyd is going to knock out Logan like Creed in Rocky 4 and Jake Paul will run in the ring to avenge his brother.
I think the 'damage' argument is the only one that gives Hagler a shot. People assume that Hagler's punches did more more damage and Leonard's were ineffectual. That allows you to count MMH's punches as being worth more than Leonard's and then you can find early rounds for Hagler.
The whole goal of boxing is to knock your opponent. You do that by damaging them. SRL had no intention of being aggressive or go for a knockout.
Bud's unproven resume is probably at below ''Nelo'' level
Nelo was beating up mid level guys when May fought him.
All the other names had legit resumes.
Canelo was beating up on Trout, Lara, and Mosley. All of those would be Crawford's best win.
He would be the best opponent Mayweather had ever faced.
People who think any different are looking at names and not are not thinking about where those names were in their career.
Only Diego Corrales was close to where Crawford currently is on the p4p list and in his prime like Crawford is. But he was a super featherweight and was going to prison. Crawford is more dangerous than a super featherweight on the brink of jail.
Prime Zab Judah was no joke. He would wreck Crawford in 8 rounds.
Beat Chisora twice
Beat Wilder twice
Beat Klitschko
His resume is one of the best heavyweight resumes today. What kind of drugs are you on?
Chisora has 9 losses already in his career and is ranked the #717 Heavyweight of all-time. His ranking is similar to Frans Botha, but no one is giving that as a quality win for Mike Tyson.
Let's look at it this way. M Tyson a lot of people claim is the best or top 5 yet his best win was a career light heavy Spinks. Beat no one else decent a 40 year Holmes who had been retired for 2 years. Then lost to Buster yet people make all the excuses about his mind state trainer change etc so what his own fault can't base jis career on IFs. Fury went into depression, drugged up, cases with the british boxing board, 400lbs still made it back. Lewis won Tyson later on their careers his best win was Holyfield. Neither Tyson or Lewis fought Bowe and neither did they fight each other in prime. Tired of people always claiming it was so far better then this era no it wasn't. Fury beat Klitschko on points on away soil, when Klit has been champ for 12 years and has 24 title defences in his career Fury stopped him getting to Joe Louis record of 25. He then came back from 2 n a half years with all his problems weight gain drug addiciton etc and got a draw with Wilder (which he should have won) he now again went to America stopped Wilder (who has 41KO before some of you bang on about his resume its no different then M Tyson beating bums in the 80s but you lot still hype him as goat) Wilder was champ 5 years and had 10 title defences and Fury stopped him getting beating Alis record and give him his first L. Not hating on M Tyson or Lewis both greats but hate it when people do not give credit to Wlad Fury Wilder AJ as if they would not be able to compete yes they would. And Furys 2 wins are huge Wlad and Wilder
Mike Tyson has 7 career wins vs the Boxrec top 150. Tyson Fury has a total of 2 career wins vs the Top 150. Tysons resume was light years better than Furys at this point.
Beating the two champions of his era in their own countries is enough for me.
Any other boxer would be praised.... give Fury his props....... the fact he came back from obesity makes this win all the sweeter.
You don't get special credit for getting fat and coming back from that. he shouldn't have been out of shape in the first place.
There's a boatload of all time great guys, floyds peers, who beat noteworthy guys in their prime. They didn't do like Floyd did and wait until they became decrepit.
Who did Floyd fight that was Decrepit?
De La Hoya? Pac fought an older version of him.
Mosley? Canelo fought an older version
Pac? Pac just whooped on an undefeated fighter 5 years after the Mayweather fight.
Then why did Bowe duck him in the pros.He threw a belt in the garbage rather than fighting Lewis.That was an obvious duck Lewis should have been on his radar much like Tillman was on Tyson’s reader after he eliminated him in the Olympic trials.Bowes only got the 3holyfield fights nobody else.I would have loved to see Bowe vs Lewis or Ruddock or Mercer Tyson bruno ect..Lewis would have controled the fight with his jab and big right hand.Bowe would have been a sitting duck.Look what happened to Ruddock when he tasted that right hand.
Bowe didn't duck Lewis. His Manager got too greedy and ****ed up the match. Then Lewis ****ed it up more by losing to McCall right as they were negotiating a fight.
Was there ever a period of time in boxing when the best were constantly fighting the best? I don't remember such a time.
Foreman and Frazier fought each other. Ali fought Ken Norton 3 times. Fought Frazier 3 times. Fought peak George Foreman. Fought Leon Spinks twice.
If that was today, Liston would have never faced Ali. And if he did, Ali sure as hell woulda ducked a rematch with Liston.
We don't point puncher's tactics because if they are controlling the fight then it should end early.
Behind on points and behind on control are different.
Pac, JMM, and Canelo put up better fights. May couldn't simply walk them down. If you're bragging about how much you landed on a man walking you down after you been KO'd by him your a small person who gets excited over small victories.
Floyd said he can't take a hit and focused on that. He's the only Floyd opponent ever to ever just be walked down. No tricks, just squared up Floyd walking right into his best to deliver better.
Conor's the worst Mayweather fight if you're looking for skills and the best Mayweather fight if you want to see Floyd's best rendition of Marciano.
****ing god awful
Floyd got shook by the uppercut from Connor. That was the first time he got hurt since the Mosley fight. McGregor put more damage on him than JMM. That's why you saw Floyd passive early on so that he could stay away from Connor's power.
Why does Oscar keep getting brought up? I can only think of one controversial win he got (Sweet Pea) and a bunch of controversial L's he took.
Agreed on Leonard though. Especially the second Hearns fight. Yeesh
SRL got boat raced against Marvelous Marvin Hagler. One of the judges had a 10-2 card for SRL ala Canelo-GGG 1. SRL's reputation is based off stolen wins.
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Mayweather never put McGregor to the ground. He had an inexperienced fighter who was exhausted, getting clear shots to his undefended head and he still couldn't put him down.
Not a mayweather fan at all but he simply just let him punch himself out before he decided to throw any punches. Anyone with a brain knew this was gonna end in a ko. Mcgregir wouldn’t even beat Shane Mosley right now.
Hols on. Mayweather didn't even Knockout McGregor. How can yall say Mayweather had him when he still couldn't knocked down a visibly exhausted fighter?
Wilder was up in a few fights that I thought he was clearly behind in (Washington, Ortiz 1, szpilka) the scores didn't matter in the end because he cleaned them all out. Obviously the 1st fury fight too.
Chris Eubank snr had his fair share of gift decisions over the years too
I wonder why you would even bring up Wilder. He's had just 2 decisions in his career. Judges don't decide his fights. It's either his monstrous right hand or paper mache Chin.
Well, he’s not the goat.
P4P, everyone the same weight, everyone in their primes, RJJ would rule. I’m 100% positive that with these stipulations and every HOFer fought eachother, RJJ would come out with the best record and as the champion of boxing.
I would also go as far to say that if everyone the same weight/height, prime Mike Tyson would be handful for 99.9% of all HOFers.
Yes, Buster stopped Tyson. But Buster also had a significant physical advantage and was also almost KO’ed himself. So imagine a Buster Douglas who was shrunk to the exact size of the 5’10” Mike Tyson?
Muhammad Ali is the GOAT. No one has dominated more HOFers. No one has won more wars than him.
Mayweather schooled Canelo. Stop crying about a 2 lbs catchweight. It's 2 freakin lbs. You don't lose all 12 rounds because of 2 lbs. Canelo could have been 160 in that fight and still get dominated.
I'm reading that he was one of the all-time greats at 122 lbs. He was allegedly better than Pac and Mayweather at those ages. Woulda been favored against most fighters that weight.